Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

Watched back the Mayweather/Cotto fight. A complete master class of boxing from Floyd. Allot more offensive than I remembered it live. Cotto was one of the greatest, hard hitting boxer-punchers of his generation. The reining 154lb champion and coming off back of 3 straight TKO wins, most recently and notebly over Antonio Margarito...

He couldn't hit Floyd. It's incredible to watch. A word class boxer is unloading his best shots, a hard and as fast as he can and nothing lands.

Floyd will absolutely destroy McGregor next month. One, Maybe Two rounds. KO/TKO

Another fight Mayweather ducked until the right time.

snowflaker wrote: »

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/barry-mcguigan-if-conor-mcgregor-doesnt-get-stopped-ill-be-disappointed/

Barry McGuigan weighs in

A few weeks ago he was reaching out offering to help in the training camp

Arghus wrote: »

I'm no expert on either boxing or MMA, but I watched the video and found it to be interesting.

What criticism would you have of it yourself?

Where to start.....

Well okay, first of all the video starts out by telling us all how specialized boxing is (nothing wrong with that of course) but yet then immediately it begins analyzing the stances and hand positions of McGregor fighting in an MMA fight........ and then (seemingly without a sense of irony) proceeds to argue that these flaws in how Conor fights will just play right into Floyd's hands. Now this absurd on many levels (of which I'll get to) but the irony of a video pointing out just how specialized the sport of boxing is..... but which yet then goes on to treat another combat sport as if it isn't at all..... is taking the feckin biscuit.

So, lets get to the meat of it: after the above opener then video then jumps on to critiquing how Conor keeps his right hand down while throwing a straight left, how he often fights upright and stiff and also how he sometimes has a static head position................... but to highlight these aspects of how Conor fights as somehow being flaws.... is as laughable as it gets as these fighting positions are very much deliberate for many mma fighters given that all of these things are used as part of their guard.

For example, if an mma fighter fought with their hands raised and elbows tight (like boxers) their whole body would then be wide open to attack from either kicks, knees or a take down attempts. If you watch the second Diaz fight you'll see that Nate often kicked Conor right after Conor threw a left...... and that right hand being down low helped McGregor guard his body from the kicks doing damage. Same goes for some of Nates take down attempts. Had Conor's right hand not being low and ready to defend against them, Nate would quite easily have taken him down in that fight............ but if I remember correctly, Conor prevented Nate taking him down for the whole five rounds of that fight (well, until the dying seconds of it at least).

Same goes for the remarks about his body being upright and stiff and his head position being static. These are all just examples of certain aspects of specific body stances which make it easier to defend against attempted take downs. The guy in this video absurdly compares Floyd's Matrix-Neo-esque defense skills in boxing bouts to what he sees as Conor's rigidity during MMA fights but if any fighter in MMA tried to use the defensive postures of Floyd mayweather in an MMA fiight........ they'd be taken down in mere seconds. Bend backwards and tilt your body to avoid a punch and fighters like Nate Diaz would have you choked out in no time at all.

Last 'point' made in the video was with regards to clinches........... and well the same really applies again. The chap shows footage of Floyd bobbing and weaving, throwing some great shots and then cuts to Conor doing some bobbing and weaving of his own, but clearly nowhere near as eye catching (in his eyes) and also with Conor not getting off as many shots in the clinch as Floyd did............... but again this misses the point by a country mile, and that is that the fight in question was an MMA fight, not a boxing one and Conor didn't bob, weave or get off as many shots as this clown thinks he should of being able to as he was kinda busy trying to make sure Nate didn't take him to the ground and rnc him again. The sheer determination and strength Conor showed in those final clinches of that last round (in the second fight) was fcuking incredible..... but yet this guy just looks at McGregor in those clinches and all he sees is an inability to box.

So in short, whoever made that video, doesn't have a damn clue what the hell they are talking about. They are comparing apples and oranges. Conor won't be fighting in a boxing ring the way he does in the octagon (with regards to positioning and stances anyway) for the simple reason that he won't have to. His right hand won't need to be kept low and he won't have to keep his upper body and head readied for attempts to take him down. In clinches he'll be free to fire off shots in ways he simply wasn't when fighting the likes of Nate Diaz.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

In clinches he'll be free to fire off shots in ways he simply wasn't when fighting the likes of Nate Diaz.

And I am betting that he won't have the natural talent or skill (and does not have the experience) to do this near as effectively as a pro boxer.

Should there be close inside action-clinching don't be surprised if Conor looks ridiculously ineffective and clumsy.

walshb wrote: »

And I am betting that he won't have the natural talent or skill (and does not have the experience) to do this near as effectively as a pro boxer.

Should there be close inside action-clinching don't be surprised if Conor looks ridiculously ineffective and clumsy.

It will be interesting to see how McGregor reacts to firing off a shot and getting planted with a counter to the mush.

everlast75 wrote: »

I don't know how McGregor will react - but I do know how Aldo reacted....

you think McGregor will go down like that? Might do I suppose.

everlast75 wrote: »

I don't know how McGregor will react - but I do know how Aldo reacted....

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

you think McGregor will go down like that? Might do I suppose.

Sweet Science wrote: »

Oh yes - In that MMA fight

I was making the point that McGregor is known to be a counter puncher too.

Apologies - I forgot I was in the "Mayweather Love in" thread

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

So, lets get to the meat of it: after the above opener then video then jumps on to critiquing how Conor keeps his right hand down while throwing a straight left, how he often fights upright and stiff and also how he sometimes has a static head position................... but to highlight these aspects of how Conor fights as somehow being flaws.... is as laughable as it gets as these fighting positions are very much deliberate for many mma fighters given that all of these things are used as part of their guard.

Just on this point (I apologised in the MMA forum to you by the way).

The photos thus far of him sparring for this fight have him still doing the exact same thing, the right hand is way too low while the left is fully extended.

I suppose what is the key take away from this though, is that this is a habit he has and has been doing it for a long time. Of course he has to NOT do these in the boxing match, but up against a boxer who has been at this for most of his life, simple mistakes like that will be punished at every opportunity.

He also doesn't have a long time to polish these skills/habits up, as gifted as Conor is, elite boxers and considered elite because everything they do is second nature.

everlast75 wrote: »

Do you know what? Let us do what you are hinting at. Let all the folk that think McG has even 0.01% chance of a win step away from this thread and the rest of ye can debate for the next 4 weeks, on pages after pages of this thread which round you think FM will win in and nothing else.

Sounds positively riveting! Enjoy!

Of course he has a 0.01% chance of winning, he probably has more like a 5% chance of winning. Injury, sickness, landing one on the temple, anything could theoretically happen.

But I'm not going to pretend that I think McGregor has a realistic chance of winning. The whole fight is a farce and only being staged for money.

Personally I will not pay a penny for it, but being in the states at that time I am sure I will catch it in a bar somewhere. Regardless I find it fascinating that so many people actually believe that McGregor is suddenly going to become a world class boxer and beat Mayweather.

Serious question - If, on the very slim chance (and I know the chances are minute) that McGregor wins against Mayweather, would this damage boxing as a sport?

Definitely would damage boxing.

On a side note if McGregor gets hurt badly this also damages boxing because it was sanctioned.

Be interested to see if it has an effect on UFC viewing numbers in general.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

How many rounds did it take Tony to get a man with one leg out of there though?

Doesn't matter.
His hand was raised at the end.