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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**
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Floyd via DQPete IMO is and has been playing two sides of the fence here. He is more than just hoping Conor wins, he believes that he can, and in selling this he is kind of dismissing and insulting the science that is pro boxing, and the scientist that is Floyd Mayweather.
I think this because of the way Pete reacts when certain points are rightfully shot to bits.....
He is either deliberately dismissing the skill/science of pro boxing or ignorantly dismissing it.
Either way Pete is well wide of the mark.
I think he is ignorantly dismissing it... I've read enough from the fight strategy he was proposing Conor use on the night, to learn enough about his boxing knowledge (or lack thereof).
He strikes me as one of those boxing haters / MMA snobs... there is a fair few of them around since Conor has become successful.
(Most of them conveniently forgetting, that Boxing is arguably the most important skill within MMA - if not the most important, then certainly on a par with any other skills) :rolleyes:
You do have to wonder about the mentality of certain people, when they are afraid to publish their true feelings on something. It really doesn't say much for that person's character tbh...
If you consider Conor to have a good chance in this fight, then just be brave enough to stand behind that viewpoint... you might get ridiculed for your flawed logic... but at least you won't come accross as being completely dishonest.
Outlaw Pete wrote: »So, lets get to the meat of it: after the above opener then video then jumps on to critiquing how Conor keeps his right hand down while throwing a straight left, how he often fights upright and stiff and also how he sometimes has a static head position................... but to highlight these aspects of how Conor fights as somehow being flaws.... is as laughable as it gets as these fighting positions are very much deliberate for many mma fighters given that all of these things are used as part of their guard.
I think they are pointing to the fact, that they will very much be flaws if he brings them into a boxing ring... against a very clever counter puncher.
(and there is every chance he will do this, particularly when his energy levels start to dip)
So, they are correct to highlight this imo... as it certainly could be relevant.For example, if an mma fighter fought with their hands raised and elbows tight (like boxers) their whole body would then be wide open to attack from either kicks, knees or a take down attempts. If you watch the second Diaz fight you'll see that Nate often kicked Conor right after Conor threw a left...... and that right hand being down low helped McGregor guard his body from the kicks doing damage. Same goes for some of Nates take down attempts. Had Conor's right hand not being low and ready to defend against them, Nate would quite easily have taken him down in that fight............ but if I remember correctly, Conor prevented Nate taking him down for the whole five rounds of that fight (well, until the dying seconds of it at least).
Right... but if Conor slips back into any of these habits, on purpose or by mistake, he will be ruthlessly punished for it.
This is not MMA... and now you are starting to get to the meat and bones, of why it takes years of specific training AS A BOXER, in order to avoid making such elemental errors!Same goes for the remarks about his body being upright and stiff and his head position being static. These are all just examples of certain aspects of specific body stances which make it easier to defend against attempted take downs. The guy in this video absurdly compares Floyd's Matrix-Neo-esque defense skills in boxing bouts to what he sees as Conor's rigidity during MMA fights but if any fighter in MMA tried to use the defensive postures of Floyd mayweather in an MMA fiight........ they'd be taken down in mere seconds. Bend backwards and tilt your body to avoid a punch and fighters like Nate Diaz would have you choked out in no time at all.
Right... so are you suggesting that Conor intentionally eats shots in MMA fights... as part of his fight strategy??
Because he certainly DOES get hit a fair bit in many of his fights.
If opponents can land punches reasonably easily against him in the octagon... why would Floyd have any issues landing on him pretty much at his leisure in a boxing ring??
Conor is very good at landing his power shots on the counter... but he also eats a fair amount of leather too. He is not actually particularly good at defending himself... he is very rigid, his head movement is fairly terrible.
Again, I think they are correct to point out these weaknesses in Conor's defensive abilities. If that trend continues against Mayweather, he is in for a very long night. I don't think they are exclusive to an MMA fight.Last 'point' made in the video was with regards to clinches........... and well the same really applies again. The chap shows footage of Floyd bobbing and weaving, throwing some great shots and then cuts to Conor doing some bobbing and weaving of his own, but clearly nowhere near as eye catching (in his eyes) and also with Conor not getting off as many shots in the clinch as Floyd did............... but again this misses the point by a country mile, and that is that the fight in question was an MMA fight, not a boxing one and Conor didn't bob, weave or get off as many shots as this clown thinks he should of being able to as he was kinda busy trying to make sure Nate didn't take him to the ground and rnc him again. The sheer determination and strength Conor showed in those final clinches of that last round (in the second fight) was fcuking incredible..... but yet this guy just looks at McGregor in those clinches and all he sees is an inability to box.
He was fighting a very average journeyman fighter, in fairness... he really should not have been struggling as much as he was.
If he gasses out that much on Aug 26th... Floyd will have far better ability to finish him in a stand-up fight, than Diaz had.
Diaz knew he simply did not have the tools to finish Conor standing up... so he was desperate to get him on the ground. Mayweather won't have any such problems in a boxing match!!
So in short, whoever made that video, doesn't have a damn clue what the hell they are talking about. They are comparing apples and oranges. Conor won't be fighting in a boxing ring the way he does in the octagon (with regards to positioning and stances anyway) for the simple reason that he won't have to. His right hand won't need to be kept low and he won't have to keep his upper body and head readied for attempts to take him down. In clinches he'll be free to fire off shots in ways he simply wasn't when fighting the likes of Nate Diaz.
I think he'll be even worse at defending himself, in a boxing ring, than he is in the octagon...
His rigidity, his poor head movement, his propensity to throw shots while leaving himself open to counters... these things will all be more ruthlessly exposed in a boxing ring!!Not a bit. It would however damage Mayweather a hell of a lot losing to a complete novice
Put it this way, if it was Canelo or GGG or Spence or Thurman etc, Conor would not get past a single rd.....
Forget even the WWs, Lomachenko and Frampton would be far too good for Conor....
Forget even the lower weights,
Irish amateur internationals would be far too good for Conor
And on and on...
Micky Conlon would take him to school in a boxing match!
That's what is actually so frustrating about this "fight"... Conor is getting a chance to test himself against one of the best, with no real boxing record... when guys like Conlon (an actual highly talented olympic caliber boxer) would never get such an opportunity... because he's not famous enough!!
When people talk about the sport of boxing being a mess... it's stuff like this, that makes me nod my head in total agreement with those people! (And generally I'm more of an optimist about the future of boxing).0 -
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