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The Best 10k workouts - by Greg Mcmillan

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭v6e5qzawyrc3jn


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Itziger


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    They're solid times for a sub 40 target. Not much off mine and I'm aiming for about 37!I don't really understand your first question Corkladd but I see you say there's a second 10k 4 weeks after your target. that's a big gap for 10ks. I have done well running two of 'em with only a week in between the last few years. I have that option again this year but I think I'll give it a miss as I want to move on to Marathon training asap.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Itziger


    Well, not long to go now so not many key workouts. I've gone to one session a week cos I want to up the Sunday mileage (last Sunday was 26k, might look to do 28 this weekend.) Might chuck in a few 400's next week some day as well as the infamous 3x2miler.

    Today was 2x2 miles + 2x1.

    Did it on a track. First 2 miler came in at 11.53. A bit off target but ok. Breeze in the home straight was a bummer and as the track is only 333mt on the inside lane I had 10 home straights..... On the second I was dying and I promised the body that I'd bail at 3km. Not one to break promises me. 3k in a disappointing 11.20

    The single miles did feel a bit easier fortunately. Came in at 5.48 (might have been 10 metres short) and 5.56 for second where I did start further back. Conclusion like previous weeks. All is not lost but I'm not exactly flying. Ah, well. Onwards and upwards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Johnny_Fontane


    going to pick up this plan but interested to hear what kind of goals people set themselves.

    My current 10k pb stands at 43.59 in the run in the dark last year. I've just come off a marathon in Feb and I wanted to pick up the greg mcmillan plan. I was thinking maybe 42 minutes, but really dont have any idea of what I should aim for?

    Is 2 minutes off 44 minutes about right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Itziger


    going to pick up this plan but interested to hear what kind of goals people set themselves.

    My current 10k pb stands at 43.59 in the run in the dark last year. I've just come off a marathon in Feb and I wanted to pick up the greg mcmillan plan. I was thinking maybe 42 minutes, but really dont have any idea of what I should aim for?

    Is 2 minutes off 44 minutes about right?

    It' kinda hard to answer without knowing more detail but I'd say that's a fair aim. I have never run that Dark race but I've heard it can be very crowded and messy but also maybe short, no?

    But more importantly than the pb I'd say try a session or two and that will tell you soon enough. If the first km or mile of the first rep is way too hard then you might want to rethink the target. If the pace feels stupid easy, then you go the other direction. Good luck with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Johnny_Fontane


    Itziger wrote: »
    It' kinda hard to answer without knowing more detail but I'd say that's a fair aim. I have never run that Dark race but I've heard it can be very crowded and messy but also maybe short, no?

    But more importantly than the pb I'd say try a session or two and that will tell you soon enough. If the first km or mile of the first rep is way too hard then you might want to rethink the target. If the pace feels stupid easy, then you go the other direction. Good luck with it.

    Well, I went out today and gave it a go:
    Did 6 x 1 mile, with 4 minute recovery, splits were between 6.32 & 6.45. It was pretty tough, but actually felt OK at the end. I'll continue working on the plan on a weekly basis. Will probably run 3/4 times a week with the one session that he prescribes. Target a 10k in early May.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Itziger


    Johnny, 4 mins is a lot of recovery for the single miles. I did 2. One day last year I was back in the homeland and I went up the Mardyke and did 6x1 with 60 sec recovery. It was the session a fella was doing. I wouldn't (couldn't) have done it on my own. A killer session.

    One thing I will say in your favour. When I do the plan I have to build up to that workout. I often start with 6x1k or 4x1mile. Maybe even 6x800. You have plenty of time anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Johnny_Fontane


    Itziger wrote: »
    Johnny, 4 mins is a lot of recovery for the single miles. I did 2. One day last year I was back in the homeland and I went up the Mardyke and did 6x1 with 60 sec recovery. It was the session a fella was doing. I wouldn't (couldn't) have done it on my own. A killer session.

    One thing I will say in your favour. When I do the plan I have to build up to that workout. I often start with 6x1k or 4x1mile. Maybe even 6x800. You have plenty of time anyway.

    You're killing me here! I just followed the OP advice. It said 3 minutes recovery and then somebody said it was changed to 5. So I said I'd do 4. And it was mostly walk/run recovery too. Must say, that after alot of endurance running recently, its good to run fast again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Itziger


    You're killing me here! I just followed the OP advice. It said 3 minutes recovery and then somebody said it was changed to 5. So I said I'd do 4. And it was mostly walk/run recovery too. Must say, that after alot of endurance running recently, its good to run fast again.

    There's some confusion about the rec time, you're right. I think the long recovery refers to the 2 mile reps though.

    It is good to do some faster stuff yeah. When I'm hurting during a workout like that, I say to myself, Christ haven't ya done enough boring slow runs to last ya a lifetime. One (or two) faster sessions a week is something to break up the monotony.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭onrail


    Guys, whats the best advice for training during the last 10 days before a race?
    Last session was 6x1.5k at 10k pace yesterday evening.

    Not sure how much I should do or how far I should push before Friday 17th..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Itziger


    onrail wrote: »
    Guys, whats the best advice for training during the last 10 days before a race?
    Last session was 6x1.5k at 10k pace yesterday evening.

    Not sure how much I should do or how far I should push before Friday 17th..

    Last BIG session you mean!

    Most people do say that's about right for a last big 'un, but I feel 10 days is a long way away for a 10k. I'd do a few 400's or 800's this weekend or Monday maybe even 200's, heck something short and sharp in any case. Don't kill yourself with it but a mini session 5 days before the race seems good. Half a dozen 400's or 10 200's.

    For me this weekend I'll cut back on the long run, which had got up to 28k admittedly. I'll probably do the 3x2miler on Saturday, 8 days out and then a few 200/400's on Wednesday maybe. My race is Sun 19th.

    Good luck and keep us posted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭onrail


    Itziger wrote: »
    Last BIG session you mean!

    Most people do say that's about right for a last big 'un, but I feel 10 days is a long way away for a 10k. I'd do a few 400's or 800's this weekend or Monday maybe even 200's, heck something short and sharp in any case. Don't kill yourself with it but a mini session 5 days before the race seems good. Half a dozen 400's or 10 200's.

    For me this weekend I'll cut back on the long run, which had got up to 28k admittedly. I'll probably do the 3x2miler on Saturday, 8 days out and then a few 200/400's on Wednesday maybe. My race is Sun 19th.

    Good luck and keep us posted.

    Excellent - cheers,

    Would a full-belt Parkrun this Saturday be a help or a hindrance in your opinion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Itziger


    onrail wrote: »
    Excellent - cheers,

    Would a full-belt Parkrun this Saturday be a help or a hindrance in your opinion?

    Help. 6 days before the target 10k, right. Sounds like a perfect tune up to me. Maybe I should point out though that I am not and never have been a coach!!

    Sometimes it sounds like I know what I'm talking about.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Itziger


    I'm seriously thinking of bailing out of the 3x2 session and doing a 10k race instead. Sorry for the thread scientists!

    I'll look to do a strong second half, although it is the tougher part of the race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Itziger


    So, I did ditch the last workout in exchange for an actual race. Even though I didn't pb, or beat previous course pb either, I was happy with the decision. Got a 37:32 where last year I managed 37:17 before a 36:48 the following week.

    This year I'm registered for the same race, next Sunday, but I'm wondering if I should forget about it and start getting serious on marathon training instead. Not that long till Cork!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭onrail


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    Or knock the confidence!

    Did an 18:35 parkrun yesterday - not leaving me overly confident of breaking 39 for the 10k next week!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭onrail


    Ran a very disappointing 39:32 after. Wind and rain didn't help - and possibly had me resigned to a slowish time before I started.

    There's another race coming up in a couple of weeks; so might give that one a proper go!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Itziger


    onrail wrote: »
    Ran a very disappointing 39:32 after. Wind and rain didn't help - and possibly had me resigned to a slowish time before I started.

    There's another race coming up in a couple of weeks; so might give that one a proper go!

    Similar to myself today then. After last week's 37.33 I had another go on a flatter course. Bloody wind did for a better time though. I have it as 37.55 on the watch. Last two times I did those 2 races I've improved on the second by 20 to 30 seconds. This year I lost 20 seconds!!

    Not really disappointed though. I raced it fairly well. No-one passed me once we settled down after a km or so. Worked with a bloke for 2 or 3k into the wind. Lovely bit of unspoken camaraderie. Beat him by 20 or so seconds in the end :)

    That's it for me and the 10k for a bit now. Good luck to anyone else giving it a lash.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    I got the first session (6*1m) out of the way today, Absolute ****e day for it but it had to be done. I want to go :heart:8mins in 6 weeks so I was trying to avg around 6:04 ended up closer to 6:08 per mile. I'll try do 1*4m+1*2m next at a similar pace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Itziger


    jamule wrote: »
    I got the first session (6*1m) out of the way today, Absolute ****e day for it but it had to be done. I want to go :heart:8mins in 6 weeks so I was trying to avg around 6:04 ended up closer to 6:08 per mile. I'll try do 1*4m+1*2m next at a similar pace.

    Jamule, are ya doing a speedier short session as well? Ya know, 200s or 400s?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    Itziger wrote: »
    Jamule, are ya doing a speedier short session as well? Ya know, 200s or 400s?

    Oh god yeah, i love short ones. I'll try alternate them with the long reps, some weeks i'll end up doing both bit will cut back the tempo or long run that week.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    I never got the 4*1+1*2 done last week due to spraining my ankle on the Monday. Got back running on Friday Done a 5k race on Sunday, for some unknown reason I ran it easy in 19:10, felt good after it (disappointment for not trying to hard!)

    Got out on Tuesday and done a heap (24) of 200m, felt really good after them, avg was 42s except for the last 2 where I pushed hard for just :heart:0s.

    Headed out for 2*1m+2*2m today, all good (05:53, 05:49, 11:52 & 11:48), a bit faster than what I wanted (and thought) but the effort felt like I was holding back (HR was slightly less than expected too).

    I'll get a long run in on Sunday and follow up with a tempo on Tuesday and then a heap of 400s on thursday. 2 weeks to goto the 3*2m! I think I'm looking forward to it more than the actual 10km race!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭onrail


    onrail wrote: »
    Ran a very disappointing 39:32 after. Wind and rain didn't help - and possibly had me resigned to a slowish time before I started.

    There's another race coming up in a couple of weeks; so might give that one a proper go!

    38:52 yesterday on a flat, but windy course. There's the target for the year sorted!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    Had a good 2 weeks up to easter but all went to fook this week. First got a blister last week that turned into a hole in my foot, had to wait for monday to get a long run in. Felt cold and terible after it, ended up in horrors tues and weds, shivers, shakes and aches.

    Got back to running today.

    No 3*2m.

    Not sure if i have the strenght or its worth doing tommorrow. Should i give up on it and take a few more easy days before doing a few sharpe short shocks next week. Either way i'll still be aimimg for sub 38 sunday week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭quick feet


    Well I got to try out session 1 of the best 10k workouts by McMillan, I must admit I was nervous about giving it a bash after reading the reports..started out with a 1mile warm-up but was pretty happy with my reps..repeats came in at 6.38/6.37/6.40/6.37/6.40/6.36..took 3mins recovery after each repeat..had a random guy on a horse and cart keep me company for the first 2 which helped break things up,found 4 and 5 the toughest as they had an incline and on the last rep when I began to drift off pace I had the help on the decline (last40 sec)to finish off hence the reason for 6.36..overall good start and look forward to trying out the others.
    Was Aiming for 6.35-6.40 per mile..aim is sub 41


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Itziger


    I believe there's an old slogger by the name of K Clown doing the McMillan plan now. We'll find out if it works or not, more or less definitively.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I'm thinking about doing these sessions (The 4 main sessions anyway not the intermediate ones). Not sure though. The "faster road running" plan I'm following has 6 x 1K @ 5K pace for next week. I'll possibly change that to the 6 x 1 Mile @ 10k pace and see how I get on.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Thanks, I'm pretty much doing that for my sessions anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    Happy enough with a 38.40, i thought i was going to do it a few times, died in the last km. getting sick and missing the 2*3m session was probably the difference. I'll get the sub 38 later in the year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭quick feet


    I'm due to do the second weeks session 10-12X400meters... I'm doing my mile repeats at 6.40 pace and hoping to go as close to 40 as possible for the 10k.. should I be looking at doing the 400's in 1.25-1.30??? And how long should i rest between each repeat...
    appreciate any input


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    adrian522 wrote: »
    I'm thinking about doing these sessions (The 4 main sessions anyway not the intermediate ones). Not sure though. The "faster road running" plan I'm following has 6 x 1K @ 5K pace for next week. I'll possibly change that to the 6 x 1 Mile @ 10k pace and see how I get on.

    Well that couldn't have gone much worse. Target 6:35-6:40. Actual:

    6:36/6:41/6:54/6:49/6:56/6:56

    Disaster of a session. Windy as hell which didn't help and probably a bit of the race on Monday still in the legs but still very disappointing to barely squeeze under 7 min miles for most of these.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Kennyg71


    quick feet wrote: »
    I'm due to do the second weeks session 10-12X400meters... I'm doing my mile repeats at 6.40 pace and hoping to go as close to 40 as possible for the 10k.. should I be looking at doing the 400's in 1.25-1.30??? And how long should i rest between each repeat...
    appreciate any input

    see below from Program
    SUPPLEMENTARY WORKOUTS
    While the 10K buildup workouts occur every other week, the in-between weeks provide a great opportunity to perform other important 5K and 10K workouts. I like 200m and 400m repeats performed at 5K effort. I find that running slightly faster repeats on the in-between weeks makes 10K race pace feel easier. You may even perform a 5K race in preparation for your 10K. I also recommend at least one tempo run during this buildup. The pace will be slightly slower than 10K pace but will build your stamina for the goal event.

    Run the 400m repeats at 5K race pace; 200m jog between (have a read of link)

    https://www.mcmillanrunning.com/the-best-10k-workout/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭hot buttered scones


    I'll be definitely having a go off this at some stage in the distant future. I'm wondering how similar it is the the McMillan plans you get on Strava?
    You can only see the first 2 weeks if you sign up but so far it has:

    Week 1
    Rest Day - Daily Goal
    The first day of each weekly training segment offers recovery from the previous day and week's training. Take today off or run easy for 40-60 minutes.
    Fartlek Run-Workout 50m - 1h 20m
    Include 10-12 x 1 minute at 5K-10K effort, 1 minute recovery jog between each repetition; include a warm-up and cool-down
    Easy Run 50m - 1h 20m
    Easy runs lasting around an hour build your endurance base from which you can draw strength in your race.
    50m - 1h Tempo Intervals 50m - 1h 10m
    Include 5-6 x 1 mile at Tempo Interval Pace, 3 minute recovery jog between each repetition; include a warm-up and cool-down
    Rest Day
    Take today off or run easy for 40-60 minutes
    Easy Run
    1h - 1h 10m
    An easy run to build your endurance.
    Long Run
    1h 20m - 1h 30m


    Week 2
    Rest Day Take today off or run easy for 40-60 minutes
    Tempo Run 40m - 1h Include 3-5 miles at Tempo Run Pace; include a warm-up and cool-down
    Easy Run 50m - 1h
    Speed Workout 50m - 1h 10m
    Include 12-16 x 400 meters at Speed Pace, 3 minute recovery jog between each repetition; include a warm-up and cool-down
    Rest Day
    Take today off or run easy for 40-60 minutes
    Easy Run
    1h - 1h 10m
    Long Run
    1h 30m - 1h 45m
    Daily Goal

    Week 7 has the 3x2 miles@ Tempo Interval pace. The only thing is this pace is determined from your current fitness, but I suppose you could run them at goal pace?


    Then it seems to alternate between Tempo Intervals and Speed Sessions every other week. Might be handy to follow as a full plan.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Kennyg71


    I'll be definitely having a go off this at some stage in the distant future. I'm wondering how similar it is the the McMillan plans you get on Strava?
    You can only see the first 2 weeks if you sign up but so far it has:

    Week 1
    Rest Day - Daily Goal
    The first day of each weekly training segment offers recovery from the previous day and week's training. Take today off or run easy for 40-60 minutes.
    Fartlek Run-Workout 50m - 1h 20m
    Include 10-12 x 1 minute at 5K-10K effort, 1 minute recovery jog between each repetition; include a warm-up and cool-down
    Easy Run 50m - 1h 20m
    Easy runs lasting around an hour build your endurance base from which you can draw strength in your race.
    50m - 1h Tempo Intervals 50m - 1h 10m
    Include 5-6 x 1 mile at Tempo Interval Pace, 3 minute recovery jog between each repetition; include a warm-up and cool-down
    Rest Day
    Take today off or run easy for 40-60 minutes
    Easy Run
    1h - 1h 10m
    An easy run to build your endurance.
    Long Run
    1h 20m - 1h 30m


    Week 2
    Rest Day Take today off or run easy for 40-60 minutes
    Tempo Run 40m - 1h Include 3-5 miles at Tempo Run Pace; include a warm-up and cool-down
    Easy Run 50m - 1h
    Speed Workout 50m - 1h 10m
    Include 12-16 x 400 meters at Speed Pace, 3 minute recovery jog between each repetition; include a warm-up and cool-down
    Rest Day
    Take today off or run easy for 40-60 minutes
    Easy Run
    1h - 1h 10m
    Long Run
    1h 30m - 1h 45m
    Daily Goal

    Week 7 has the 3x2 miles@ Tempo Interval pace. The only thing is this pace is determined from your current fitness, but I suppose you could run them at goal pace?


    Then it seems to alternate between Tempo Intervals and Speed Sessions every other week. Might be handy to follow as a full plan.
    According to notes you run mile intervals at Goal race pace.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭quick feet


    It was time for me to do the second key session 2miles@6.35-40 then 4x1mile
    2miles@6.40 average was the target.. 1st mile came in at 6.32 and was soon followed with a 6.39..I was digging in towards the end but it's a tough 2 mile gradual climb of about 60feet...
    5min jog then into the 4x1miles, these felt alot easier than doing the 2 together, took the 3mins recovery but I mite look at reducing this as I seem fine plus I'm hitting all the targets..
    Times were as follows
    2miles @6.35avg
    4x1miles were 6.35/6.33/6.40..( uphill climb)//6.36 ..

    Previous week I did 10 400s
    Times ranged from 1.23-1.27, although I hit 1.25 on 5 of the reps..1.23 twice/ 1.24 and 1.27 twice...


  • Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭quick feet


    Quick summary on how I'm getting on with the plan..
    Target paces.. tempo 7m.m and race pace is 6.40..
    6X1miles
    6.38/6.37/6.40/6.37/6.40/6.36

    10x400 meters target 85 seconds rest 50seconds
    85/85/87/85/85/84/85/83/87/83

    1set of 2miles then 4x1miles
    (6.32/6.39) 4x1miles were 6.35/6.33/6.40./6.36 ..

    Pretty much nailed the first 3 weeks hitting all the targets, instead of doing the 5k race to see where I was at I ran the Terenure 5miler and ran a stinker..

    For the next 2weeks I couldn't hit the target pace of 7m.m on my tempos these runs were carried out in early may when we went through a nice patch of weather,I struggled in the heat..

    Next up was the 2X2miles and 2x1miles...always use the same loop for this run to keep consistency..
    1st set of 2s (6.30/6.50) hanging on towards the end of the second mile
    2ns set of 2s (6.50/6.56) consistant.... consistantly bad
    1st of the 1s... 7m.m only took 4mins rest instead of 5 and it showed
    2nd of the 1s.. 6.54.. dreadful well off pace..

    Took a week off as I was on hols but did some light running

    Back to the plan and I switched from 20x200mts to 10 x400mts.. target 85seconds with 50sec recovery
    Splits were.. 80,85,84,83,83,82,83,85,84,84 faster than the previous time I did this workout
    Finally got back to hitting my tempos Hitting 5@7m.m
    Then tackled the last key session 3x2miles these came in at
    (6.31/6.35) (6.42/6.45) (6.52/6.35)
    So a bit of a hit and miss plan, longest tempo ive managed is 5miles, I might struggle with the speed endurence, on a plus I've got pretty close to the last key session of averaging 6.40 and notched a 20min parkrun while doing the plan..I'm going to target 41.30, I've 2 bites of the cherry as I'm taking in dunshaughlin 10k on a saturday and clonee10k the following Thursday..
    On that note should I just do easy running between the races??


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    quick feet wrote: »
    I've 2 bites of the cherry as I'm taking in dunshaughlin 10k on a saturday and clonee10k the following Thursday..
    On that note should I just do easy running between the races??

    Nice one G - that rolled around quickly !

    I actually think it might be worth doing something light on the Monday\Tuesday, to keep the head in touch with the faster stuff - even if its just some strides

    Best of luck with both


  • Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭Tommy Max


    How would you guys recommend that these 10k workouts would fit in to half marathon training for a race in around 10 weeks or so? Or how best to tweak to train hoping to go sub 85. current best is 87.

    Is clonee a good 10k to do? Any feedback from previous years?

    I notice there is very little 10k races over the next few months. I know dunshaughlin is also this weekend. Have never done a 10k so would like to get in some.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,084 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    Tommy Max wrote: »
    How would you guys recommend that these 10k workouts would fit in to half marathon training for a race in around 10 weeks or so? Or how best to tweak to train hoping to go sub 85. current best is 87.

    Is clonee a good 10k to do? Any feedback from previous years?

    I notice there is very little 10k races over the next few months. I know dunshaughlin is also this weekend. Have never done a 10k so would like to get in some.

    There's quite a lot of overlap between 10k and HM training, but the specific sessions should look a little different.
    You should build up your long run to 15-16 miles if targeting sub 90, every 2nd one you could progress your last 3-4 miles up to finishing the last 1-2 at target pace.

    To adapt the key sessions a nice build could be something like.
    Less intensity, for longer with shorter recoveries.
    4 x 8mins @ PMP off 2mins
    4 x 10mins @ PMP off 2mins
    3 x 12mins @ PMP off 2mins
    2 x 20mins @ PMP off 2mins

    A mid week MP paced session alternated with a 10k paced session would be a useful inclusion also and 6 x 1min strides would give good rounding to tackle both distances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    Finally got the chance to give this a go this evening, in advance of next week's Fingal 10k. I followed a 5k plan targeting last week's Docklands 5k, so I didn't do a buildup of sessions, just straight into the big one. Sub-39 is the notional goal for the Fingal, so went out trying to keep pace under 6:15. It was pretty breezy, but it worked out fine. Splits were: 12:23, 12:26, 12:23 (average pace 6:12). It felt close to race effort at the end (though not quite all out at the end of a race) and I was very glad to be done with it!

    Given the race is next Sunday, any opinions on doing a recovery run tomorrow and longish run on Monday (maybe 12-13 miles), or just get the longer run out of the way tomorrow?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭clickerquicklic


    Singer wrote: »
    Finally got the chance to give this a go this evening, in advance of next week's Fingal 10k. I followed a 5k plan targeting last week's Docklands 5k, so I didn't do a buildup of sessions, just straight into the big one. Sub-39 is the notional goal for the Fingal, so went out trying to keep pace under 6:15. It was pretty breezy, but it worked out fine. Splits were: 12:23, 12:26, 12:23 (average pace 6:12). It felt close to race effort at the end (though not quite all out at the end of a race) and I was very glad to be done with it!

    Given the race is next Sunday, any opinions on doing a recovery run tomorrow and longish run on Monday (maybe 12-13 miles), or just get the longer run out of the way tomorrow?

    Super running , well done , you'll fly Fingal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Itziger


    Singer wrote: »
    Finally got the chance to give this a go this evening, in advance of next week's Fingal 10k. I followed a 5k plan targeting last week's Docklands 5k, so I didn't do a buildup of sessions, just straight into the big one. Sub-39 is the notional goal for the Fingal, so went out trying to keep pace under 6:15. It was pretty breezy, but it worked out fine. Splits were: 12:23, 12:26, 12:23 (average pace 6:12). It felt close to race effort at the end (though not quite all out at the end of a race) and I was very glad to be done with it!

    Given the race is next Sunday, any opinions on doing a recovery run tomorrow and longish run on Monday (maybe 12-13 miles), or just get the longer run out of the way tomorrow?

    Congrats on the 3x2 mile effort. I'd take it fairly easy now as you did that major session just 8 days out. Anything long would need to be very easy pace and then a little leg loosener on Wednesday or Thursday. Chuck in some strides or a few 200's but onlt to get the legs turning over. Good luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    Itziger wrote: »
    Congrats on the 3x2 mile effort. I'd take it fairly easy now as you did that major session just 8 days out. Anything long would need to be very easy pace and then a little leg loosener on Wednesday or Thursday. Chuck in some strides or a few 200's but onlt to get the legs turning over. Good luck.

    Thanks for this. I ran the Fingal 10k today in 38:55. Slightly slower than the paces hit on the 10k workout reps, but on a course with more ups and downs. Target hit either way :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭clickerquicklic


    This workout was actually very accurate in hindsight, I did 3*3k at an average of 3:58-3:59ish and did a 10km in 3:59average 12 days later. So it's true to its word.


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