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The Best 10k workouts - by Greg Mcmillan

  • 06-04-2011 2:42pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    Got this in an email today thoguh someone might find it useful.


    The Best 10K Workout

    Plus the buildup workouts for it
    by Greg McMillan, M.S.




    After running countless 10Ks and coaching runners who have run countless more, I've found one workout to be the absolute best to prepare you for the distance. It's not an easy workout and you probably can't do it right away, so you'll need to build up to it with the sequence of workouts outlined here, which, when combined with supplementary workouts, creates an exceptional training plan for your next goal 10K.

    THE BEST 10K WORKOUT: 3 X 2 MILES
    If you can perform three 2-mile repeats at your goal 10K pace in the last one to two weeks before your race, you will achieve your goal time. Period. It's a simple workout but oh-so-hard to accomplish. As such, you must build up to it, and this buildup of workouts turns out to be some of the best training you can do to run a fast 10K.

    BUILDUP WORKOUT NO. 1: 6 X 1 MILE
    Eight weeks out from your 10K, run six 1-mile repeats at your goal 10K pace, taking 3 to 4 minutes recovery jog between each. Don't be surprised if you struggle in this workout. Many athletes become worried that their goal is out of reach, but trust me: You just need to complete the workout sequence and you'll be ready. One thing I find helps is to just focus on goal 10K pace, not faster. Some runners try to "beat the workout" by running faster but that isn't the goal. Start at goal pace and simply hang on.

    BUILDUP WORKOUT NO. 2: 2 MILE + 4 X 1 MILE
    Six weeks out from your 10K, advance to the following workout: Run a 2-mile repeat at your goal 10K pace then take a 5-minute recovery jog. Next, run four 1-mile repeats at goal 10K pace, taking 3 to 4 minutes recovery jog between each. As with Workout No. 1, you will get in 6 miles of running at your goal pace.

    BUILDUP WORKOUT NO. 3: 2 X 2 MILE + 2 X 1 MILE
    Four weeks out from the race, the workout advances yet again. This time, run two 2-mile repeats at goal 10K pace. Again, take a 5-minute recovery jog after each 2-mile repeat. Then, perform two 1-mile repeats at goal pace, taking 3 minutes recovery between each. By now, you should be feeling much more ready to attack your goal time. Your body is becoming calloused to the mental and physical stress of 10K pace. If, however, you're struggling to hit your goal pace even on the first 2-mile repeat, then your proposed goal pace is too aggressive and you should re-evaluate.

    WORLD'S BEST 10K WORKOUT
    After this buildup of workouts, you're ready to attack the ultimate 10K workout. I suggest you perform this workout nine to 12 days before your race to allow enough time to recover before the event. Start with your usual warm-up (which you should perform for each workout described in this article), then run three 2-mile repeats at your goal 10K pace. Take a 5-minute recovery jog between each repeat. Prepare for this intense workout like you will your race -- be well-recovered, properly hydrated and fueled, use the equipment you'll use in the race, run at the time of day that you'll be racing.

    SUPPLEMENTARY WORKOUTS
    While the 10K buildup workouts occur every other week, the in-between weeks provide a great opportunity to perform other important 5K and 10K workouts. I like 200m and 400m repeats performed at 5K effort. I find that running slightly faster repeats on the in-between weeks makes 10K race pace feel easier. You may even perform a 5K race in preparation for your 10K. I also recommend at least one tempo run during this buildup. The pace will be slightly slower than 10K pace but will build your stamina for the goal event.

    SIMPLE EIGHT-WEEK WORKOUT SEQUENCE FOR A FAST 10K


    WEEK KEY WORKOUT & NOTES

    1 6 x 1M 3-minute jog between 1M repeats

    2 10-12 x 400m Run the 400m repeats at 5K race pace; 200m jog between

    3 2M + 4 x 1M 5-minute jog between 2M repeats, 3-minute jog between 1M repeats

    4 3M Tempo Run or 5K Race One simple prediction method is to double your 5K time & add 1 minute to get your 10K time. Are you on track for your goal 10K time?

    5 2 x 2M + 2 x 1M 5-minute jog between 2M repeats, 3-minute jog between 1M repeats

    6 20-24 x 200m Run the 200m repeats at 5K race pace; 200m jog between

    7 3 x 2M Run the 200m repeats at 5K race pace; 200m jog between

    8 RACE: 10K



    Please visit RunningTimes.com for more of my articles.


    Full article here


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭Bally8


    Got this too. Looks good. I think I'll give it a go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,550 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Think I'll give it a go too. Looking forward to running fast again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Here's a similar excerpt from a previous article by McMillan on his website:
    A tempo interval workout that I've had particular success with is two (or three) times two miles at 10K race pace effort with three minute recovery jogs between repeats. Following a thorough warm-up, these provide a great training stimulus to prepare you for an upcoming 10K race. The effort required, the pace judgement and the mental discomfort all help immensely when race time comes. Do this workout seven to 14 days before your next 10K.

    He has changed a few minor points in the latest version, not least increasing the recovery time from 3 mins to 5 mins, which should make it more do-able.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Patrick_K


    dna_leri wrote: »
    He has changed a few minor points in the latest version, not least increasing the recovery time from 3 mins to 5 mins, which should make it more do-able.

    Typical!
    I came across that one last week, did it with 3 minute recovery and almost died :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭DogSlySmile


    Interesting stuff, no LSR though????


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,550 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Interesting stuff, no LSR though????
    It's not a full plan. Just key speed sessions. You've got to fill in the blanks yourself. Personally I'd be looking at 10-16 mile LSRs, but it depends on what you're aiming to achieve.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    McMillian offers a good guide to creating your training plan on his site: http://www.mcmillanrunning.com/training5b.htm
    The link above shows how to pull it all together, read the previous sections to identify your key sessions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Sosa


    Think I'll give it a go too. Looking forward to running fast again.

    I'm going to give it a lash aswell Krusty...maybe for a good 5m on July 8th.....There is a 10k the following week but i will be in an 8 week cycle by then for the National Half on Sept 4th.
    I might take a very easy week inbetween cycles depending on how i feel after the first 8 weeks.
    Whats your target race ? it will be interesting to see if we get these sessions done...they are very tough looking....I will be trying to do them at 5:40p....even typing that makes me sweat !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,550 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Sosa wrote: »
    I'm going to give it a lash aswell Krusty...maybe for a good 5m on July 8th.....There is a 10k the following week but i will be in an 8 week cycle by then for the National Half on Sept 4th.
    I might take a very easy week inbetween cycles depending on how i feel after the first 8 weeks.
    Whats your target race ? it will be interesting to see if we get these sessions done...they are very tough looking....I will be trying to do them at 5:40p....even typing that makes me sweat !
    I'm not too sure about a target race at the moment Sosa, but I reckon I'll give Dunshaughlin a pop in June, just to see how I'm fairing, with a view to trying to hit a PB soon afterwards (maybe July). Then there's the Frank Duffy in August, Half marathon in September, and the big dog (Chicago in October).

    Would love to be aiming for 5:40s too, but I'm a log way off that at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Sosa


    I'm not too sure about a target race at the moment Sosa, but I reckon I'll give Dunshaughlin a pop in June, just to see how I'm fairing, with a view to trying to hit a PB soon afterwards (maybe July). Then there's the Frank Duffy in August, Half marathon in September, and the big dog (Chicago in October).

    Would love to be aiming for 5:40s too, but I'm a log way off that at the moment.

    Looking at early July myself....tough sessions,but manageable if we recover enough and go into them fresh.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Patrick_K


    Sosa/Krusty,

    Would this be your only speed session of the week if you were following it?
    Would you pad it out with 1 x long, 1 x medium long and 2 x easy/recovery or something to that effect?

    Cheers
    PK


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,550 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Personally, I don't follow that many 10k programs, but I'd be aiming to do a tempo session as well (a few days apart), a long run, and and a sprinkling of stead runs and recovery runs to make 6/7 runs per week.

    A little like halHigdon's advanced program except try and spread out the tempo and other speed sessions (so they're not on consecutive days), and run longer on all the other days (but then my goal is longer distances).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Sosa


    I am restricted to 4/5 runs a week at the minute Patrick,so i would do the 10k session on a Tue/Wed and then a 12-15m run at the w/e with a tempo built into it...1/2 steady runs with 1 recovery also in there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Patrick_K


    Thanks gents.
    PK


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Gringo78


    Should you be doing these sessions on your own? What I mean is, if you do these in a group is it as good a predictor when you factor in drafting, someone else looking after pacing, the competitive nature of group interval sessions etc? The group session might be worth 5-10sec a mile which would be a difference of 30-60sec in target time over a 10k. Or they being McMillan workouts, does he expect you are doing them in a group?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Woddle


    I wouldn't think it makes much of a difference. Although in a race you'll more than likely find yourself running in a group so maybe in training running them in a group is preferable, creating similar racing conditions, maybe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Gringo78 wrote: »
    Should you be doing these sessions on your own? What I mean is, if you do these in a group is it as good a predictor when you factor in drafting, someone else looking after pacing, the competitive nature of group interval sessions etc? The group session might be worth 5-10sec a mile which would be a difference of 30-60sec in target time over a 10k. Or they being McMillan workouts, does he expect you are doing them in a group?

    We have been doing similar workouts in a group for the last few thursday (mostly 1k reps). Since everyobe is running at a slighlty different pace, there is no drafting. The adavantage of doing the workouts in a group is that you are less likely to drop out/ditch the last rep as there are other people watching. the only disadvantage is that the faster runners possibly get a little too much rest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Gringo78


    menoscemo wrote: »
    The adavantage of doing the workouts in a group is that you are less likely to drop out/ditch the last rep as there are other people watching.

    This is a factor not to be underestimated. I used to do a 6 mile tempo run on my own, and the pace I could hit on this was usually 5 sec a mile slower than the pace I could then expect to hit in a 10 mile race. So I'd need to hit 6:05 pace on a solo 6 mile tempo run to feel I was in sub 60 10 mile shape. It was a good predictor workout for me. However that was in a solo training situation. If I had done the tempo run in a group, I could have hung in longer at a faster pace so maybe 6:05 pace would have only translated to 6:05-6:10 pace over 10 miles on race day. Thats because group training sessions (for me anyway) get the adrenaline up similar to race day.

    So if someone tells me they can do 3x2mile reps at goal 10k pace in a group (maybe not drafting but at least chasing a t-shirt 20m ahead) then I wouldn't neccessarily put money on them being able to replicate the workout on their tod with no one watching. Depends on the person though, some people are great solo trainers and can drive themselves on regardless, others need a bit of visible competition to drive them on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭tHE vAGGABOND


    Im actually plan to use the UCD track session tomorrow to do week two of this plan:
    10-12 x 400m Run the 400m repeats at 5K race pace; 200m jog between
    Since we will be on the track there it fits just fine - even if Im there a bit longer than everyone else.

    So maybe 10 x 400m @ 7min pace, or *just* below it..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭couerdelion


    Sorry to drag this back up but it made me think...

    How do you go about determining a realistic 10km time to aim for? I'd love to achieve 40 minutes sometime in the future but currently I am at about 50 minutes and I know I'm a long way off 40 minutes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,550 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Sorry to drag this back up but it made me think...

    How do you go about determining a realistic 10km time to aim for? I'd love to achieve 40 minutes sometime in the future but currently I am at about 50 minutes and I know I'm a long way off 40 minutes.
    A 5k time trial would be a good way of evaluating your current 10k target. Then shave a little bit off the top!
    In my case, I chose a target based on my last 10k performance and based my target on the improvement I am hoping to realize.

    While I'm not 10k fit at the moment, I hope to be at the end of the McMillan training cycle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    Is there a generally accepted/recommended long-run limit when following these types of programmes? ie. Is 10mile long enough??

    Doing plenty of intervals, tempos etc. but a bit limited for the long slogs due to an injury earlier in the year :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭Nwm2


    Sorry to drag this back up but it made me think...

    How do you go about determining a realistic 10km time to aim for? I'd love to achieve 40 minutes sometime in the future but currently I am at about 50 minutes and I know I'm a long way off 40 minutes.

    Training:
    Generally it is recommended that you don't train at your (longer term) goal pace, you need to train at a pace relative to where your fitness is now (or you will train too hard and get injured, or train too hard and be too fatigued to do all the workouts or just train too hard and violate the principle of getting most benefit from least work).

    So doing a hard 5k TT as suggested above is the way to go. Have nothing left as you cross the line, but pace it evenly all the way through.

    (EDIT) Realistic time to aim for: Aim for gradual improvement, as seen in a regular repeat of that 5k TT or in races. Aim for 45min in several months, then 40 next season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,550 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Cartman78 wrote: »
    Is there a generally accepted/recommended long-run limit when following these types of programmes? ie. Is 10mile long enough??

    Doing plenty of intervals, tempos etc. but a bit limited for the long slogs due to an injury earlier in the year :(
    You mean upper limit or lower limit?

    I guess it would depend on your target, your level of experience and how much you hope to improve. If you're an entry level runner, running your first or second 10k, then your long run would probably be 5-6 miles. If you're a semi-regular runner, hoping to hit a PB, then 10-12 miles, and if you're a regular 6/7 day a week runner, training for a range of longer distances, and gains in 10k distance don't come easy, then it should probably be around 12-16 miles. But there aren't really any rules of thumb.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    You mean upper limit or lower limit?

    I guess it would depend on your target, your level of experience and how much you hope to improve. If you're an entry level runner, running your first or second 10k, then your long run would probably be 5-6 miles. If you're a semi-regular runner, hoping to hit a PB, then 10-12 miles, and if you're a regular 6/7 day a week runner, training for a range of longer distances, and gains in 10k distance don't come easy, then it should probably be around 12-16 miles. But there aren't really any rules of thumb.

    I guess I'm somewhere between a semi-regular and regular runner.

    Have a PB of 40:44 for 10k from last year, based on high marathon training mileage and virtually no speed specific training.

    This year is the complete opposite....broke 2 toes in January so missed 10 weeks training in all. Have been focusing on shorter, more speed specific training since i've got back into it. Have smashed all my PB's for my regular training runs but longest run was about 17k which was absolutely torturous.

    Ran a tough, hilly 10k race last wkend in 42:14 which I was actually quite pleased with but know i need to build up some stamina asap to go with my new found speed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭tHE vAGGABOND


    Digging this up from the archives - but as I start to focus on shorter stuff for a few weeks - I was thinking of doing this again, as I really enjoyed it last year and it produced great results for me in Dunshaughlin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BobMac104


    THis is great stuff thanks a million!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,550 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    I wouldn't mind having another pop at this one too, when the dust settles.
    Tough program though. Not for the weak!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭DogSlySmile


    Digging this up from the archives...
    Cheers, completely forgot about this. I tried this out on the run up to a 10k last year, didnt do all the speed sessions, think I only did the first 3, but I set a big pb nevertheless. Looking forward to trying this out again (and doing it properly this time:D)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    Will be having a crack at this starting next week - looking forward to running fast again after slogging for spring marathon.

    Picked up a pair of Gel DS Trainers at the London Expo last weekend so hopefully the reduced weight and snazzy green laces can push me to multiple PB's over the summer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭wrstan


    Cheers, completely forgot about this. I tried this out on the run up to a 10k last year, didnt do all the speed sessions, think I only did the first 3, but I set a big pb nevertheless. Looking forward to trying this out again (and doing it properly this time:D)

    Thanks DSS, it would be great to hear the experiences of anyone else who also tried out this programme last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    wrstan wrote: »
    Thanks DSS, it would be great to hear the experiences of anyone else who also tried out this programme last year.

    I followed it pretty closely for my first 10K of last year and knocked a minute off my time to get 39mins. I modified it a bit through the summer, using a hilly route to target a few bumpy 10Ks and longer. It was a key part of building strength for me and helped me finish the summer with a 36.5 min 10K.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭DogSlySmile


    wrstan wrote: »
    Thanks DSS, it would be great to hear the experiences of anyone else who also tried out this programme last year.

    The trick is to know what you're capable of. Pick a pace that's achievable for you over the 10k distance, but hard during the intervals. Everyone is different but my intervals were run at 6 minute/mile pace and I ran a 6:13 minute/mile average in my goal 10k last year, but like I said I didnt complete the entire 8 weeks of intervals. So I'll be looking to complete the entire set of intervals this time around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Did this plan (kind of) late last year, before getting stuck into marathon training. Felt it really put me in a position to push for a challenging marathon PB, and my Boston time is clear demonstration of this. :rolleyes:

    Will be kicking off something similar in a few weeks time to have a lash at the Race Series Fingal 10k (probably), using it as a springboard to take a shot at sub-60 in the Frank Duffy 10 miler in August.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭ocnoc


    BUILDUP WORKOUT NO. 1: 6 X 1 MILE
    Eight weeks out from your 10K, run six 1-mile repeats at your goal 10K pace, taking 3 to 4 minutes recovery jog between each. Don't be surprised if you struggle in this workout. Many athletes become worried that their goal is out of reach, but trust me: You just need to complete the workout sequence and you'll be ready. One thing I find helps is to just focus on goal 10K pace, not faster. Some runners try to "beat the workout" by running faster but that isn't the goal. Start at goal pace and simply hang on.

    So lets say you bash out a 39min 10k.
    How do you decided what the next step is?
    Do people just say, ok the next marker is 35mins. So I'll do all my goal pace training at 3:30min/k?
    Or does it just come down slowly anyways.....?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,550 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    ocnoc wrote: »
    So lets say you bash out a 39min 10k.
    How do you decided what the next step is?
    Do people just say, ok the next marker is 35mins. So I'll do all my goal pace training at 3:30min/k?
    Or does it just come down slowly anyways.....?
    If you set a target like 35 mins for 10k, by following this plan, you'll have a pretty good idea whether it's an achievable goal. If you can't do the key session (3 x 2 miles @target pace) then it's damn unlikely you'll hit your goal.

    Again, you need peripheral information to establish a suitable goal pace (i.e. times for other distances). If you don't have that kind of info, run a 5k time trial.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    ocnoc wrote: »
    So lets say you bash out a 39min 10k.
    How do you decided what the next step is?
    Do people just say, ok the next marker is 35mins. So I'll do all my goal pace training at 3:30min/k?
    Or does it just come down slowly anyways.....?

    Depends on your progression I would expect, is the 39min a PB,if so who much faster - 3%? Would a 2% progression makes sense this time - it's probably only a question you can answer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    ocnoc wrote: »
    So lets say you bash out a 39min 10k.
    How do you decided what the next step is?
    Do people just say, ok the next marker is 35mins. So I'll do all my goal pace training at 3:30min/k?
    Or does it just come down slowly anyways.....?

    In that situation, I set a 38 min goal but getting closer to the time I could feel the sessions were not as tough as the first time around. I am sure the converse could be the case and he does say by workout no.3 :
    If, however, you're struggling to hit your goal pace even on the first 2 mile repeat, then your proposed goal pace is too aggressive and you should re-evaluate.
    Likewise you could re-evaluate to a faster pace. He also recommends doing a 5K mid-way through to see if you are on track. I don't think the precise training pace matters all that much anyway but doing the final 3x2M does give a confidence boost that you can achieve your goal and very often that's more important. Often it's getting used to the race pace pain that you need most of all.
    I would also say do the 200m & 400m repeats at slightly faster than 10K so that target pace feels a bit easier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭ocnoc


    5k TT would probably put a lot in perspective of what you could hit for the 10.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    ocnoc wrote: »
    So lets say you bash out a 39min 10k.
    How do you decided what the next step is?
    Do people just say, ok the next marker is 35mins. So I'll do all my goal pace training at 3:30min/k?
    Or does it just come down slowly anyways.....?

    When i was doing these last summer I was trying to hit 6.25 a mile to go sub 40. I didn't do all the workouts but when i did the final one (3 x 2 miles) I averaged 6.32/mile.
    When i did my 10k race I still tried to go for sub 40 but managed on 40.44 which freakily enough is 6.32/mile. I have to say the workouts as a predictor of a 10k time are freakishly accurate.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭wrstan


    dna_leri wrote: »
    I followed it pretty closely for my first 10K of last year and knocked a minute off my time to get 39mins. I modified it a bit through the summer, using a hilly route to target a few bumpy 10Ks and longer. It was a key part of building strength for me and helped me finish the summer with a 36.5 min 10K.

    39mins -> 36.5mins wow! that's a mighty impressive improvement in a season :eek:, well done dna! Do you put it down mainly to the McMillan programme or were there other significant factors?

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    wrstan wrote: »
    dna_leri wrote: »
    I followed it pretty closely for my first 10K of last year and knocked a minute off my time to get 39mins. I modified it a bit through the summer, using a hilly route to target a few bumpy 10Ks and longer. It was a key part of building strength for me and helped me finish the summer with a 36.5 min 10K.

    39mins -> 36.5mins wow! that's a mighty impressive improvement in a season :eek:, well done dna! Do you put it down mainly to the McMillan programme or were there other significant factors?

    Thanks
    It was only my 2nd year of running 10k so increasing mileage was always going to give me improvements but this was big part, particularly early season. The other key ingredient for me was lots of hills. And don't set limits,10% improvement is possible for most in the first few years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭testikle


    so you reckon the first thing to do is a time trial 5k to assess what you could possibly perform in a 10k and going on from there adjust he pace to suit

    in regards to the training plan,is the key workout done once a week along with hill work and a lsr??

    appreciate any advice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    testikle wrote: »
    so you reckon the first thing to do is a time trial 5k to assess what you could possibly perform in a 10k and going on from there adjust he pace to suit

    in regards to the training plan,is the key workout done once a week along with hill work and a lsr??

    appreciate any advice

    Do a 5K time trial if you need to set a goal but you should really be able to base your target on a previous 10K, which you can adjust as you go through the sessions. This is really an improvers program not a beginners one.

    If you read to the end of the article you will see the below paragraph, followed by a simple 8-wk workout sequence. Unless you are targetting a hilly 10K, I would not be doing much hill-work in the run-up to a race. An LSR of c10 miles would be typical, supplemented by easy running on other days.

    SUPPLEMENTARY WORKOUTS
    While the 10K buildup workouts occur every other week, the in-between weeks provide a great opportunity to perform other important 5K and 10K workouts. I like 200m and 400m repeats performed at 5K effort. I find that running slightly faster repeats on the in-between weeks makes 10K race pace feel easier. You may even perform a 5K race in preparation for your 10K. I also recommend at least one tempo run during this buildup. The pace will be slightly slower than 10K pace but will build your stamina for the goal event.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    Bif of a philosophical question here rather than a technical training query.

    After a couple of summers of frustration, I finally got around to nailing a sub-40 on Friday evening.

    Really want to push on now in terms of times and was wondering if you guys found it easier after getting the 'Sub-40 Minute Monkey' off your backs??

    eg. was it easier going from 39 mins to 36 than from 41 mins to 39??

    Anyway, will be looking to incorporate these workouts into my training diary in the coming weeks. I think my main target race will be the Dundrum 10k on 4th July


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Cartman78 wrote: »
    Bif of a philosophical question here rather than a technical training query.

    After a couple of summers of frustration, I finally got around to nailing a sub-40 on Friday evening.

    Really want to push on now in terms of times and was wondering if you guys found it easier after getting the 'Sub-40 Minute Monkey' off your backs??

    eg. was it easier going from 39 mins to 36 than from 41 mins to 39??

    Anyway, will be looking to incorporate these workouts into my training diary in the coming weeks. I think my main target race will be the Dundrum 10k on 4th July

    I think that you need to be aware that improvement is never linear and there are always times where you struggle to beat a time and then all of a sudden you can do no wrong. My 10k PB was a few years old and couldnt break it depsite being stronger for a good while then all of a sudden when I least expected it I took a min and 15 secs off

    Similarly I had monkey on my back for 5 miles in a time that I had run exactly 27.41 on three seperate occasions on two seperate courses and finally beat it this year by 20 secs

    The main thing is to stay consistent with your training. If you start to get disheartened change the focus of your training and work on your times at shorter and longer distances to keep you motivated while training away and as long as you keep up the training you will start working down to the range you are looking to be at

    Keep it up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    Yep...I can definitely identify with that, I ran 4 sub 40.30 10ks last year :eek: :eek: Got into a real rut.

    It was partially down to my training (I couldn't run more than 10k due to nerve pain in my toes for about 6 months) but I think it was more of a mental thing at the end than anything else


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭jfh


    i felt the odd session in cratloe did wonders for my improvement, your around that neck of the woods?
    I was the same as you, trying to get sub 40, after a few months of consistency, got 38:30, never hit 39:..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    Found this thread and decided to try the workout in preparation for a 10K in September. Mapped out a mile loop (undulating, but so is the race in Sept.). I'm targetting a 45:00 10k which is ambitious for me but my times for other distances have been coming down so I'll never know unless I try! Target pace for the 6 x 1mile repeats was 7:15 and I hit the first 4 ok in an average of 7:16 but really really really wanted to die during the last two and was way off target (7:35, 7:39). Just interested to know from those who've done it before, did you find the workouts tough at first too or should I give myself a softer target this time and aim for another 10K later in the year ? I'm doing a LSR at the weekend of 8 - 10 miles and 3 other easy runs 3 - 6 miles and/or the odd shorter race. Any advice would be very welcome. Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    Found this thread and decided to try the workout in preparation for a 10K in September. Mapped out a mile loop (undulating, but so is the race in Sept.). I'm targetting a 45:00 10k which is ambitious for me but my times for other distances have been coming down so I'll never know unless I try! Target pace for the 6 x 1mile repeats was 7:15 and I hit the first 4 ok in an average of 7:16 but really really really wanted to die during the last two and was way off target (7:35, 7:39). Just interested to know from those who've done it before, did you find the workouts tough at first too or should I give myself a softer target this time and aim for another 10K later in the year ? I'm doing a LSR at the weekend of 8 - 10 miles and 3 other easy runs 3 - 6 miles and/or the odd shorter race. Any advice would be very welcome. Thanks.

    What's your current 10k PB?
    I find the sessions really tough, if I have someone running with me it's easier and from experience race always feels tougher in training.


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