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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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  • #6962
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Sweet Science wrote: »
    I'd say his legs will look huge compared to Floyds .

    He's got tree trunks even by MMA standards. Second time he partially tore his ACL instead of getting surgery, he focused on developing the muscle around the knee, that's when his legs started to get bigger, and why he prob couldn't make 145 anymore.


  • #6963
    Gamebred
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    Its not a body building contest size will have zero impact.


  • #6964
    walshb
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    Lukker- wrote: »
    No way Conor makes 147 with boxing's weight checks. He'd have started at 154 and worked his way to 160

    I would not be so sure there. With proper boxer management of weight I think why not?

    He has weighed 145 lbs for his Featherweight fights.


  • #6965
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Its not a body building contest size will have zero impact.

    Of course size makes a difference.


  • #6966
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Lukker- wrote: »
    Of course size makes a difference.


    What advantage will bigger quads and calves give McGregor? he will be getting punched repeatedly, there is very little reach difference which is the only psychical attribute worth mentioning in this fight.


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  • #6967
    PVA
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 650 ✭✭✭PVA


    kwestfan08 wrote: »
    Saw this posted on Reddit a few days ago and it perfectly sums up now I see the fight going.

    People who aren't fans of Mayweather and don't typically watch his fights will tune in by the droves. They'll watch Floyd do his thing, he'll barely be hit, he'll clinch when he wants to, and he'll get out relatively unscathed.

    These people will say that Floyd is boring, not a fighter, and will say things like "People pay to watch this ****?". They'll say that McGregor is the better man on principle because "at least he came to fight". That's if McGregor doesn't get Hatton'd.

    It happens every time Floyd fights. He's great at attracting the casuals but they have no appreciation for his game. The outcome and response are almost always the same.


    The above is exactly what I'm afraid of.

    I stayed up to watch the Mayweather v Pacquiao fight, and it was an absolute bore-fest for the casual boxing fan. Fair play to those of you that can watch a Mayweather fight and be entertained by his technical dominance, but it's not something that would encourage me to watch more boxing. Not like Tyson vs Lewis, AJ vs Klitschko etc. The same cannot generally be said for headline MMA fight nights, regardless of the weight class, which generally deliver to die-hards and casual fans alike. Different sports appeal to different people, and while I admit I have little appreciation for Mayweather's style, it's hard not to be impressed by his record and total dominance of the sport.

    As much as I would love McGregor to make this an interesting fight, I just can't see it going any other way the the prediction above. Mayweathers clinical (albeit boring to most) style of boxing has not been overcome to date, and I just can't see McGregor being the man to do so under strict boxing rules.

    Will I still be watching the fight? Yes. Expecting to be entertained? No.


  • #6968
    Lukker-
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    walshb wrote: »
    I would not be so sure there. With proper boxer management of weight I think why not?

    He has weighed 145 lbs for his Featherweight fights.

    Yeah under UFC rules which are much less strict than boxing, there's no weight checks whatsoever, him getting to 145 was dangerous and not sustainable.


  • #6969
    DerrickL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 ✭DerrickL


    McGregor gassed in both fights against Diaz.

    McGregor deliberately left his chin exposed for Mendes to deliver an uppercut. He did this to let Mendes know that he didn't have the power to hurt McGregor. You could see the punch still stunned him however.

    If he uses this arrogance against Floyd, Floyd will knock him out.

    Boxers hit far harder than MMA fighters. Conor's chin is going to be obliterated and body punched to shreds.


  • #6970
    Lukker-
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    What advantage will bigger quads and calves give McGregor? he will be getting punched repeatedly, there is very little reach difference which is the only psychical attribute worth mentioning in this fight.

    You just said size.

    Weight difference, there will be over 10 pounds between them. Power comes from your legs, especially the way Conor throws a cross.

    That said they are gonna be cumbersome for a boxing fight, there's a reason most boxers don't have big legs.


  • #6971
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,463 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Lukker- wrote: »
    Yeah under UFC rules which are much less strict than boxing, there's no weight checks whatsoever, him getting to 145 was dangerous and not sustainable.

    I am not suggesting he would stay there but with proper boxing management of weight and help there is no reason why he could not get to 147 lbs if he was a boxer through the years.

    Put it this way, Conor was not performing as good as he did at 147 lbs in 25 minute bouts with reckless weight management and preparation. He made weight and he re-hydrated and he performed like an athlete.

    If Conor was making 145 lbs whilst being kind of "reckless" then it stands to reason that with thought and process and efficiency and management he makes the weight that bit better.


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  • #6972
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    The fight could potentially finish his chin and him as a fighter again.

    Probably doesn't care as he will be have made his money.

    Just want to see him fight in the ufc where he belongs.


  • #6973
    walshb
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    PVA wrote: »
    The above is exactly what I'm afraid of.

    I stayed up to watch the Mayweather v Pacquiao fight, and it was an absolute bore-fest for the casual boxing fan. Fair play to those of you that can watch a Mayweather fight and be entertained by his technical dominance, but it's not something that would encourage me to watch more boxing. Not like Tyson vs Lewis, AJ vs Klitschko etc. The same cannot generally be said for headline MMA fight nights, regardless of the weight class, which generally deliver to die-hards and casual fans alike. Different sports appeal to different people, and while I admit I have little appreciation for Mayweather's style, it's hard not to be impressed by his record and total dominance of the sport.

    As much as I would love McGregor to make this an interesting fight, I just can't see it going any other way the the prediction above. Mayweathers clinical (albeit boring to most) style of boxing has not been overcome to date, and I just can't see McGregor being the man to do so under strict boxing rules.

    Will I still be watching the fight? Yes. Expecting to be entertained? No.

    I'm a boxing fan and for me there was next to nothing of real substance from Floyd in the Pac fight, and I don't care or buy the whole technical brilliance.

    He did eff all actual scoring, whilst getting ridiculously praised for avoiding combat and avoiding getting hit.

    Anyone, boxing fans or otherwise coming out with terms like masterclass, shutout, genius at work etc IMO dropped the ball on that fight....


  • #6974
    wonderfullife
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    walshb wrote: »
    Put it this way, Conor was not performing as good as he did at 147 lbs in 25 minute bouts with reckless weight management and preparation. He made weight and he re-hydrated and he performed like an athlete.

    Conor's average fight time for his 7 contests at featherweight (145) in the UFC was 5 minutes 17 seconds. His performances at that weight class had everything to do with knocking his opponents out.

    Read John's book on how they used to cut weight in the beginning of Conor's UFC-run and their primitive ideas of nutrition at the time. It was far from peak-athlete-performance in preparation. They did the best they could with the little money they had available.

    So I think it's fair to say he was initially winning in spite of his preparation rather than because of it.


  • #6975
    darced
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  • #6976
    Gamebred
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    darced wrote: »
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    Its a boxing fight, no idea why being able to throw somebody about has anything to do with it, the state of people saying ''yeah but Conor can beat him in the street'' nobody cares its a boxing match.


  • #6977
    walshb
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    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Conor's average fight time for his 7 contests at featherweight (145) in the UFC was 5 minutes 17 seconds. His performances at that weight class had everything to do with knocking his opponents out.

    Read John's book on how they used to cut weight in the beginning of Conor's UFC-run and their primitive ideas of nutrition at the time. It was far from peak-athlete-performance in preparation. They did the best they could with the little money they had available.

    So I think it's fair to say he was initially winning in spite of his preparation rather than because of it.

    Fair point as regards him not having fought 25 minutes at FW, but had he needed to, are you saying that he would not have due to the weight making?

    Simple: Makes 145 whilst it not being as controlled and prepared and managed like boxing. Surely then he can make 147 lbs as a boxer through the years?


  • #6978
    Sweet Science
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    darced wrote: »
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    In a MMA fight i'd agree


  • #6979
    PVA
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    walshb wrote: »
    I'm a boxing fan and for me there was next to nothing of real substance from Floyd in the Pac fight, and I don't care or buy the whole technical brilliance.

    He did eff all actual scoring, whilst getting ridiculously praised for avoiding combat and avoiding getting hit.

    Anyone, boxing fans or otherwise coming out with terms like masterclass, shutout, genius at work etc IMO dropped the ball on that fight....


    Agreed - it didn't do boxing any favours tbh. As a boxing fan, what are your thoughts on this article?

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1569777-5-step-plan-for-boxing-to-surpass-mma-as-most-popular-combat-sport

    Worth noting this is from March 2013, before McGregor had fought in the UFC.


  • #6980
    Sweet Science
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    Lukker- wrote: »
    You just said size.

    Weight difference, there will be over 10 pounds between them. Power comes from your legs, especially the way Conor throws a cross.

    That said they are gonna be cumbersome for a boxing fight, there's a reason most boxers don't have big legs.

    Yeah Conor really doesnt have boxers legs at all


  • #6981
    walshb
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    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Like it's been said, this is boxing. Throwing people is disallowed....

    And don't be so sure on that either. I think some of you here think that a boxer is an out and out robot, and anything deviating from specific boxing and suddenly they become helpless....utter garbage.

    That applies to any able bodied person who if they give it effort may not be such a walk over and so weak should someone want to throw them all over the place...


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  • #6982
    darced
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  • #6983
    Sweet Science
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    Please dont go back to street fights


  • #6984
    walshb
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    PVA wrote: »
    Agreed - it didn't do boxing any favours tbh. As a boxing fan, what are your thoughts on this article?

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1569777-5-step-plan-for-boxing-to-surpass-mma-as-most-popular-combat-sport

    Worth noting this is from March 2013, before McGregor had fought in the UFC.

    Can't argue with any of it, particularly the points regarding promoters working together and giving us the fights, as well as a centralized organised body. Like the AIAB in amateur boxing. No ducking there. You are in or your are out.


  • #6985
    Sweet Science
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    darced wrote: »
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    This isnt solely about size . There is a lot of skill involved and im not sure how good Conors inside game will be with boxing gloves on . I could be wrong of course but i doubt it


  • #6986
    walshb
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    darced wrote: »
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    There are rules in the clinch. Conor would be the one at a real disadvantage here. Conor is not the boxer. Floyd's experience, talent, athleticism, body movement and mechanics, and above all, experience are far more advantageous to inside "intimacy" in boxing.


  • #6987
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Lets not kid ourselves. They won't be allowed to clinch regardless, so I doubt we'll even find out.


  • #6988
    DerrickL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 ✭DerrickL


    Lukker- wrote: »
    Lets not kid ourselves. They won't be allowed to clinch regardless, so I doubt we'll even find out.

    Why you say that?


  • #6989
    darced
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  • #6990
    Sweet Science
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    darced wrote: »
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    How on Earth could you know it would suit Conor . He has never done it before. He could be shocking at it


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  • #6991
    wonderfullife
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    walshb wrote: »
    Fair point as regards him not having fought 25 minutes at FW, but had he needed to, are you saying that he would not have due to the weight making?

    Simple: Makes 145 whilst it not being as controlled and prepared and managed like boxing. Surely then he can make 147 lbs as a boxer through the years?

    I think he can still make 145lbs if he borderline kills himself to do it but I don't see him being as effective over 12-rounds doing it.

    Even 154lbs is still a 20lb weight cut for him.
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    How on Earth could you know it would suit Conor . He has never done it before. He could be shocking at it

    Holly Holm came out and said she expects Conor to be very good in the clinch exchanges with Floyd. She's the best placed observer given she was a world champion boxer and a world champion in MMA.

    Mind you, she also gives Conor a decent chance of WINNING. So you'd probably dismiss her as "clueless" despite the fact she has world titles in both sports.


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