Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

EagererBeaver · 23-06-2017 07:01PM

Also he walked out second against Aldo and Alvarez because he was the challenger for the title - he was very clearly the A side in both fights, as he is in all his MMA fights.

23-06-2017 08:22PM

Gintonious wrote: »

Floyd Mayweather net worth is around $400+ million

Conor McGregor isn't even worth a 10th of that.

Co-dependant my arse.

There is a co-dependancy of sorts to be fair. Conor is the one at the moment with all the hype behind him, he got more retweets for some of his tweets than big NBA/NHL players. Conor is way more popular than Mayweather at this exact moment in time and if Floyd fought GGG he might do 1-2m sales? he can double that maybe with Conor. Conor needs Floyd more than Floyd needs Conor fo sho! but Floyd makes a lot more money with Conor than without, so that makes it a co-dependancy for this fight.

Frank Bullitt · 23-06-2017 08:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a co-dependancy of sorts to be fair. Conor is the one at the moment with all the hype behind him, he got more retweets for some of his tweets than big NBA/NHL players. Conor is way more popular than Mayweather at this exact moment in time and if Floyd fought GGG he might do 1-2m sales? he can double that maybe with Conor. Conor needs Floyd more than Floyd needs Conor fo sho! but Floyd makes a lot more money with Conor than without, so that makes it a co-dependancy for this fight.

Agree on the sales, might be marginally higher though.

Thing is though, for that fight against Berto, he got $30m or something crazy. He gets paid a fortune regardless of who he fights.

Conor doesn't even scratch the surface for that kind of money in MMA.

23-06-2017 08:54PM

Gintonious wrote: »

Agree on the sales, might be marginally higher though.

Thing is though, for that fight against Berto, he got $30m or something crazy. He gets paid a fortune regardless of who he fights.

Conor doesn't even scratch the surface for that kind of money in MMA.

He got 30m v Berto but I think after all is said and done with this Conor fight Floyd could easily clear 200m and have an easy fight. Floyd needs Conor to do that, if Floyd fights GGG he does half the ppv numbers and potentionally loses and doesn't get his 50-0.

Gamebred · 23-06-2017 08:57PM

Floyd would be up ended if he rematched Canelo or fought GGG or even Spence, I think he was out of his prime quite some time before Berto his reflexes and speed arent like they were (still elite enough 2 years ago), this is the only fight he would attempt I wondered about Khan or Garcia but he came across this lottery ticket.

12gauge dave · 23-06-2017 08:59PM

Anyone going to vegas for this?

wonderfullife · 23-06-2017 09:34PM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Lads this is beyond ridiculous. Floyd is the A side. End of. His purse, yes purse, for the Berto fight was 32m ffs. McGregor made 10% of that against Alvarez.

Wonder, I don't know if you're being deliberately disingenuous or just completely thick. Saying GGG sold A, Mayweather sold B, therefore they could make A+B happen is nonsense. Mayweather-GGG would do absolutely astronomical numbers. GGG is one of those most dominant, feared fighters in boxing, the biggest man Floyd would ever face and the biggest threat ever to him in a boxing ring. That sells. It would attract huge numbers. Perhaps (and probably) not Mayweather-Pac or Mayweather-McGregor numbers but it would be enormous. Pretending otherwise is lunacy. If it's a double A side, why is McGregor so content to let Floyd take the lion's share?

For the record, I don't think this will break the May-Pac numbers. 205 was supposed to break the UFC number and then ended up quite aways short of it.

If the PPV doesn't beat May-Pac I'll close my boards account. If it does, you close yours.

For the record I don't appreciate you calling me "thick" - unlike you I actually put some time and energy into my posts and not just spout whatever comes into my head - and especially when your post is as about as wrong as can be while shouting loudly that you're right.

There are many reasons why Mayweather-GGG would do *far* less than May-Mac.

1. GGG - Phenomenal boxer. Not a draw. The average person on the street in New York or San Diego wouldn't even be able to pick him out of a line-up.

2. Mayweather burned a lot of goodwill with the farce of a dancing competition he performed against Pacquiao. That erosion of goodwill resulted in a 350k buy-rate for the Berto match and also affected Manny (Pacquiao-Vargas late last year did less than 300k). It left such a feeling of ill-will that it would (and has) carried over to future Floyd & Manny fights against elite boxers because there's nothing *new* in the recipe and the goodwill was so badly burned. There's *lots* new in the Conor fight.

3. GGG's fanbase is tiny. Conor's is massive in America.

4. GGG has the personality of a turnip. Conor is a showman. One of those 2 things sells PPV's, the other does not.

5. GGG is coming off the back of 2 highly disappointing performances inside the ring. He barely scraped past Jacobs and he was supposed to blow Kell Brook away. He didn't. Conor, on the other hand, is coming off 2 massive wins (one of which he was underdog) and is carrying momentum.

6. Boxing events between elite boxers not named Canelo are not selling in the US. Andre Ward and Kovalev did 160k buys in their first contest. Terence Crawford #4 P4P boxer in the world did 60k buys his last fight.

7. Oscar de la Hoya was *by far* the biggest boxing draw around when he fought Floyd. He had the whole Mexican population in the US behind him and that fight only did 2.4 million.

There is *no way* any sane, rational person who has looked at the numbers would predict OVER 2.4 million for Floyd v GGG or Floyd v Canelo 2 having considered the above factors.

Conor v Floyd *will* do over 5 million because you completely fail to understand a) how big Conor is b) the scale of the interest in this fight in America and c) why this appeals to the regular Joe Soap on the street in America who couldn't care less about sports.

I can't exactly say "you're wrong" because it's all about opinions.

But you're wrong.

EagererBeaver · 23-06-2017 09:55PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

If the PPV doesn't beat May-Pac I'll close my boards account. If it does, you close yours.

For the record I don't appreciate you calling me "thick" - unlike you I actually put some time and energy into my posts and not just spout whatever comes into my head - and especially when your post is as about as wrong as can be while shouting loudly that you're right.

There are many reasons why Mayweather-GGG would do *far* less than May-Mac.

1. GGG - Phenomenal boxer. Not a draw. The average person on the street in New York or San Diego wouldn't even be able to pick him out of a line-up.

2. Mayweather burned a lot of goodwill with the farce of a dancing competition he performed against Pacquiao. That erosion of goodwill resulted in a 350k buy-rate for the Berto match and also affected Manny (Pacquiao-Vargas late last year did less than 300k). It left such a feeling of ill-will that it would (and has) carried over to future Floyd & Manny fights against elite boxers because there's nothing *new* in the recipe and the goodwill was so badly burned. There's *lots* new in the Conor fight.

3. GGG's fanbase is tiny. Conor's is massive in America.

4. GGG has the personality of a turnip. Conor is a showman. One of those 2 things sells PPV's, the other does not.

5. GGG is coming off the back of 2 highly disappointing performances inside the ring. He barely scraped past Jacobs and he was supposed to blow Kell Brook away. He didn't. Conor, on the other hand, is coming off 2 massive wins (one of which he was underdog) and is carrying momentum.

6. Boxing events between elite boxers not named Canelo are not selling in the US. Andre Ward and Kovalev did 160k buys in their first contest. Terence Crawford #4 P4P boxer in the world did 60k buys his last fight.

7. Oscar de la Hoya was *by far* the biggest boxing draw around when he fought Floyd. He had the whole Mexican population in the US behind him and that fight only did 2.4 million.

There is *no way* any sane, rational person who has looked at the numbers would predict OVER 2.4 million for Floyd v GGG or Floyd v Canelo 2 having considered the above factors.

Conor v Floyd *will* do over 5 million because you completely fail to understand a) how big Conor is b) the scale of the interest in this fight in America and c) why this appeals to the regular Joe Soap on the street in America who couldn't care less about sports.

I can't exactly say "you're wrong" because it's all about opinions.

But you're wrong.

I really can't go through each of those points because you know the saying about arguing with idiots and all that.

GGG is bigger than you think. They fight legitimately sells as it has the "holy ****, Floyd Mayweather is probably the underdog here." As for lacklustre performance against Brook, you realise he TKOd him halfway into the fight, yes? Broke his eye socket?

Also, Floyd-De la Hoya "only" doing 2.4m might be the most daft thing I've heard yet. It "only" did a then ppv record, is still the second biggest selling ppv of all time and, oh, it sold 0.8m than any MMA ppv in history.

As for "you're wrong" all this nonsense about who sells what stems from you quoting McCarthy saying McGregor is the A side. You then claimed it's a double A side. That's what's wrong.

As for it beating May-Pac, it may well do but I don't think so. Remember how confident you were 205 was going to do 2m? Then when it didn't, it was still going to be the biggest ppv in UFC history because Dana claimed it was "trending" to be?

23-06-2017 10:00PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

If the PPV doesn't beat May-Pac I'll close my boards account. If it does, you close yours.

For the record I don't appreciate you calling me "thick" - unlike you I actually put some time and energy into my posts and not just spout whatever comes into my head - and especially when your post is as about as wrong as can be while shouting loudly that you're right.

There are many reasons why Mayweather-GGG would do *far* less than May-Mac.

1. GGG - Phenomenal boxer. Not a draw. The average person on the street in New York or San Diego wouldn't even be able to pick him out of a line-up.

2. Mayweather burned a lot of goodwill with the farce of a dancing competition he performed against Pacquiao. That erosion of goodwill resulted in a 350k buy-rate for the Berto match and also affected Manny (Pacquiao-Vargas late last year did less than 300k). It left such a feeling of ill-will that it would (and has) carried over to future Floyd & Manny fights against elite boxers because there's nothing *new* in the recipe and the goodwill was so badly burned. There's *lots* new in the Conor fight.

3. GGG's fanbase is tiny. Conor's is massive in America.

4. GGG has the personality of a turnip. Conor is a showman. One of those 2 things sells PPV's, the other does not.

5. GGG is coming off the back of 2 highly disappointing performances inside the ring. He barely scraped past Jacobs and he was supposed to blow Kell Brook away. He didn't. Conor, on the other hand, is coming off 2 massive wins (one of which he was underdog) and is carrying momentum.

6. Boxing events between elite boxers not named Canelo are not selling in the US. Andre Ward and Kovalev did 160k buys in their first contest. Terence Crawford #4 P4P boxer in the world did 60k buys his last fight.

7. Oscar de la Hoya was *by far* the biggest boxing draw around when he fought Floyd. He had the whole Mexican population in the US behind him and that fight only did 2.4 million.

There is *no way* any sane, rational person who has looked at the numbers would predict OVER 2.4 million for Floyd v GGG or Floyd v Canelo 2 having considered the above factors.

Conor v Floyd *will* do over 5 million because you completely fail to understand a) how big Conor is b) the scale of the interest in this fight in America and c) why this appeals to the regular Joe Soap on the street in America who couldn't care less about sports.

I can't exactly say "you're wrong" because it's all about opinions.

But you're wrong.

After all the debating does Conor have a chance in the past few days...... I was arguing he has no chance but I hope you are right and he manages a hail mary punch and just KOs Floyd. I know it wont happen but my god I would love if it happens :eek:

Gamebred · 23-06-2017 10:02PM

I worry for Wonder if this is a low selling blow out with Floyd finishing him early...

23-06-2017 10:16PM

Gamebred wrote: »

I worry for Wonder if this is a low selling blow out with Floyd finishing him early...

To be fair, Floyd might finish him early but it will sell well, A fool and his money are soon parted.

What you think Floyd will do? I know floyd wont want to finish him early cause he wants to make it look like it was competitive, but if he lets it go on for to long he will look bad...... Floyd will finish when he wants but when you reckon he will want to finish it off? He will hardly want to finish it in round 1 will he?

Gamebred · 23-06-2017 10:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair, Floyd might finish him early but it will sell well, A fool and his money are soon parted.

What you think Floyd will do? I know floyd wont want to finish him early cause he wants to make it look like it was competitive, but if he lets it go on for to long he will look bad...... Floyd will finish when he wants but when you reckon he will want to finish it off? He will hardly want to finish it in round 1 will he?

He will take him apart from the first bell with ease, lot depends on Conors chin and cardio, I'm not convinced he can do 36 minutes but I've always rated his chin wouldnt be surprised if Floyd broke a hand punching his large head, im backing a finish by round 5.

EagererBeaver · 23-06-2017 10:23PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To be fair, Floyd might finish him early but it will sell well, A fool and his money are soon parted.

What you think Floyd will do? I know floyd wont want to finish him early cause he wants to make it look like it was competitive, but if he lets it go on for to long he will look bad...... Floyd will finish when he wants but when you reckon he will want to finish it off? He will hardly want to finish it in round 1 will he?

Of course he will. McGregor is going to spend two months coming out with masterful pieces of oratorical warfare that get under Floyd's skin to the extent that he's so emotional and agitated come fight night that he'll gave no gameplan, will go out looking for the KO, forget 20 years of defensive mastery and leave himself exposed to a big left hand that leaves him unconscious.

Or not.

weldoninhio · 23-06-2017 10:25PM

Gamebred wrote: »

I worry for Wonder if this is a low selling blow out with Floyd finishing him early...

I await the Leave Britney Alone type video from him if McGregor gets hammered and starts taking flack.

Mod:Do yourself a favour, if you don't have anything constructive to post then don't post at all. There's no place here for your trolling or personal attacks, this isn't your first warning either.

23-06-2017 10:56PM

I think Conor is happy to get knocked out for 100m haha I would do many many things for 100m way worse than getting knocked out.

Gamebred · 23-06-2017 10:58PM

He's been strangled in front of million only last March, I dont think it would kill him getting finished by Floyd hes been in worse predicaments.

CatFromHue · 23-06-2017 11:06PM

he'll come out and say he had a go and life is about challenging yourself, or something like that, and then go home and make a money fort in his living room

JJayoo · 23-06-2017 11:09PM

Any word of who else will be on the card? Any Irish boxers?

mdwexford · 23-06-2017 11:29PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I await the Leave Britney Alone type video from him if McGregor gets hammered and starts taking flack.

Oh you're actually able to post, not just stalk the forum and thank posts that are anti McGregor. Clown.

wonderfullife · 23-06-2017 11:32PM

Kevin Lee had some unexpected words for Conor while being interviewed for his fight against Chiesa:

"I honestly believe Conor has the power to hurt Floyd. A lot of people are underestimating how big Conor is and how hard he hits but the one person who won't underestimate Conor is Floyd."

Continues:

"My advice for Conor is this - if you don't get him out of there in the first 3 rounds, you're in for a long-ass-whooping. But I absolutely view this as MMA v Boxing and I believe Conor will go out there and get some respect for MMA from the boxing community because most of them think we are still in the Chuck Liddell era. I kinda have to root for Floyd because I train out of his gym but I'd be lying if a part of me didn't want Conor to do it".

I don't know why but I thought he'd crap all over Conor.

Gamebred · 23-06-2017 11:35PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Kevin Lee had some unexpected words for Conor while being interviewed for his fight against Chiesa:

"I honestly believe Conor has the power to hurt Floyd. A lot of people are underestimating how big Conor is and how hard he hits but the one person who won't underestimate Conor is Floyd."

Continues:

"My advice for Conor is this - if you don't get him out of there in the first 3 rounds, you're in for a long-ass-whooping. But I absolutely view this as MMA v Boxing and I believe Conor will go out there and get some respect for MMA from the boxing community because most of them think we are still in the Chuck Liddell era. I kinda have to root for Floyd because I train out of his gym but I'd be lying if a part of me didn't want Conor to do it".

I don't know why but I thought he'd crap all over Conor.

I dont know why and it feels wrong but I've been coming around to liking Lee lately, reminds me a bit of Conor at the start hes trying hard to get his name out can see theres is a cool guy behind the persona hes trying to portray.

EagererBeaver · 23-06-2017 11:52PM

His statement about getting respect for MMA is a bit daft. McGregor is in this for himself. His boxing is clearly elite by MMA standards - any respect he earns will be for him alone, not the Kevin Lees of the world.

wonderfullife · 24-06-2017 01:31AM

Gamebred wrote: »

I dont know why and it feels wrong but I've been coming around to liking Lee lately, reminds me a bit of Conor at the start hes trying hard to get his name out can see theres is a cool guy behind the persona hes trying to portray.

Kevin Lee and Mike Perry have both won me over lately big time!

EagererBeaver wrote: »

His statement about getting respect for MMA is a bit daft. McGregor is in this for himself. His boxing is clearly elite by MMA standards - any respect he earns will be for him alone, not the Kevin Lees of the world.

I agree.

But a lot of the chatter from *complete casual fans* is that this is MMA's best representative Conor McGregor fighting Boxing's best representative Floyd Mayweather, so the result will reflect on the sports in their minds.

If Floyd makes a fool of Conor, it'll be a bad look for MMA whether it's fair or not. Likewise, if Conor flattens him with a left hook it'll look bad for boxing.

Obviously combat fans know neither of the above is true, but a big part of the audience for this fight is total dorks whose only knowledge of MMA is from that one episode of Friends and who think Mike Tyson is the best boxer ever.

In their minds, the result = which sport is better.

Outlaw Pete · 24-06-2017 02:29AM

I agree....

As there is undoubtedly somewhat of a sideline battle here taking place between Boxing and MMA. Read almost any forum, article written by a journalist of one sport or the other, or just in general the opinion piece shows....... and MMA is for sure being sneered at when it comes to the quality of the "boxing" within it.

Now of course the quality of boxing within Boxing is superior (obviously) but it's not just being spoken about as if it's superior, these people are speaking about MMA fighters as if they are a joke and that it's absurd to even think they could ever land a punch on a pro boxer let alone hurt one of them.

Now for a sport that prides itself on being about pitting the best of the best martial artists against one another.... it is a bit demeaning when the sport is being spoken about in this way, as if it's absurd to even suggest that it's most heralded fighter couldn't even go a few rounds with one of it's best who has retired and out on a few stone (Hatton) which has been said on this thread.

So for sure the events of this fight will have an impact on how MMA fighters, and indeed the sport itself, is seen. Not saying for a second it should have an such an impact... but it's inevitable that for many people it will.

wonderfullife · 24-06-2017 02:41AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

1. I really can't go through each of those points because you know the saying about arguing with idiots and all that.

2. GGG is bigger than you think.

Also, 3. Floyd-De la Hoya "only" doing 2.4m might be the most daft thing I've heard yet. It "only" did a then ppv record, is still the second biggest selling ppv of all time and, oh, it sold 0.8m than any MMA ppv in history.

4. As for it beating May-Pac, it may well do but I don't think so. Remember how confident you were 205 was going to do 2m? Then when it didn't, it was still going to be the biggest ppv in UFC history because Dana claimed it was "trending" to be?

1. You're right.

2. No. He really isn't. His twitter, instagram, facebook are all very representative of his fame. Hint - Conor has 10x times more followers across all platforms, Floyd has 11x times more. GGG's PPV buys are also representative of his level of fame.

He's not bigger than I think. He's exactly the non-draw I know he is.

3. QED. If Oscar de le Hoya v Floyd remains the 2nd largest PPV of all-time what sort of bizarro world are you living in that you think GGG v Floyd beats 2.4 million? It doesn't. Ever. Even Canelo v Floyd 1 didn't beat it and Canelo has a HUGE fanbase.

4. You're arguing over how long a piece of string is. Meltzer guesses the PPV numbers based on a whole load of analytics. The only people who know the true PPV buy-rate for UFC 205 are Conor McGregor, Eddie Alvarez, Tyron Woodley, Stephen Thompson, Joanna, Karolina and their management teams and the UFC.

Chael Sonnen has said many times that Meltzer makes decent guesses that are broadly correct but still way off on actual numbers. Case in point when he pegged UFC 196 at 1.6 million then *claimed* that the audited number was 1,317,000. As a matter of fact, in Meltzer's newsletter he claimed that the audited numbers for UFC 196, 202 and 205 all came in at 1,317,000.

If you're asking me do I believe all 3 events came in at an identical number, then no I don't.

wonderfullife · 24-06-2017 03:32AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I agree....

Now of course the quality of boxing within Boxing is superior (obviously) but it's not just being spoken about as if it's superior, these people are speaking about MMA fighters as if they are a joke and that it's absurd to even think they could ever land a punch on a pro boxer let alone hurt one of them.

There's a reality at play here that is undeniable:

There are many people on this thread who are out-and-out haters of Conor McGregor and are pure gutted that he has pulled this off by getting this fight together. Usual suspects I don't need to name..

If you say anything positive about Conor for this fight they will label you a "fanboy".

They will try convince you that Floyd has mastered The Matrix and Conor won't even get near him let alone touch him. It'll be like the scene with the bullets coming at Neo and he uses his mind to stop them - except it will be Conor's punches stopped by Floyd's mind.

They will try convince you that boxing is a far more skillful discipline than the caveman-like striking of MMA. That none of the unorthodox movement or angles Conor uses will phase Floyd because he is a Jedi-boxing-master who can time punches coming from anywhere.

They will try convince you that the fight is a "money-grab", they will try to seize some sort of moral high-ground by implying some other fights were not designed to make as much money as possible. They'll make out Conor v Floyd to be like a Ponzi scheme but Chavez-Canelo was the sweet science.

They will sneer at anybody wanting to discuss the *actual fight* the way we'd discuss any other fight. They will laugh at anybody wanting to talk about Conor's height and reach advantage, his southpaw stance, his age advantage, his bulletproof confidence and his impressive left hand.

"LOLZ that's cute but no really you're deluded"

They will sneer and tell you that *you're wrong* if you think Conor believes he will win. They will confidently say they know far better what's going on inside Conor's head than we do and he *can't possibly believe it* on the basis they can't possibly believe it themselves.

They will tell you that Floyd is going to demolish him, embarrass him, make a fool of him, make him look like a complete novice, make Conor look like a fish out of water all in the one breath....

... and in the next breath they will get their excuses ready *just in case* of the apocalyptic event occurring by telling you that if Conor somehow KO's him that it *must* have been a "flukey punch", a "hail mary shot", "total luck" because "lol if you think it was *skill*"...

OR

...tell us the real reason Conor emerged victorious via this extremely lucky punch was *actually* a nefarious underground scheme involving TMT, Dana White and the illuminati to fix the fight to allow Conor to win, so that the UFC, Conor and Floyd can get a rematch and make another $200 million each.

I'm 100% guilty of being a massive Conor McGregor fan. I try to be fair and I've criticized him many times when I think he lets himself down. I sadly think he will lose this fight in the 9th round due to the explosive nature of his own movements. I think he will be *very competitive* through 6 rounds. He has great timing, good footwork, a solid chin and he handles pressure better than almost any fighter I've ever seen.

The reason I think he loses in the 9th is I don't think he will ever be an endurance fighter regardless of how much McGregor Fast he does, and I think we will see the same dips and cardio dumps we saw in both Diaz fights. We will see a noticeable drop-off in his reflexes and punching power too, just like we saw in rounds 4 and 5 in August.

I don't understand the mentality of a lot of you to detest and hate on nearly every twist and turn of his career and to relish in the prospect of his humiliation. To actively come on threads not to contribute debate but purely to slate Conor and slate those supporting him.

I'll tell you one thing - I have a lot to be thankful to Conor McGregor for that you can't put a price on and I can never thank him enough for it. I 100% believe him when he says he is capable of knocking Floyd out and if he pulls it off I'll be smiling from ear to ear.

I'd rather support him and dream big with him than to count down the days to troll his fans or the man himself for getting humiliated.

Let's go Conor. Screw 49-1 because 49-1 is about relishing in another mans defeat.

1-0 is what to aim for.

GerryDerpy · 24-06-2017 07:35AM

Well wonder you are just cut from a different cloth, class act.

I am right with you in supporting Conor for the 1-0.

Inviere · 24-06-2017 07:46AM

It's not mma v boxing, it's a boxing match.

how.gareth · 24-06-2017 08:34AM

Lads wonder ain't for turning, Love reading the positivity and determination in your posts, I'm starting to think your actually Conor's alter ego! I know the boxing lads are gonna back their man and sport to the hilt especially when he is such a modern day great with an amazing record and yep Conor has next to no chance but I have friends with zero interest in either sport who are already asking about making a night of it and watching the fight as it really is such an unusual and kinda bizarre occasion but just maybe will actually live up to the hype and be entertaining. I can't bloody well wait. Come on Conor!!!

Dtp1979 · 24-06-2017 10:23AM

6,800 posts on this thread approx. What are the chances it'll reach 10K before fight night

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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