Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

wonderfullife

DerrickL wrote: »

No but his boxing skills could be improved with an actual boxing coach. Can an MMA coach implement a boxing strategy gameplay?

Kavanagh is useless for this bout

They're not using a boxing strategy. They are on record saying they are approaching this from an MMA perspective and (probably) doing plenty of clinch work. Maidana was constantly digging overhooks and underhooks against Floyd. Conor will be very technical and heavy in those exchanges.

As for John, no he isn't useless. He's vital. Look, he's not a striking expert and he's not a boxing guy, but he is Conor's head coach and is hugely important in this whole thing.

He's like the foreman on a building site. He'll suss out what needs doing, when it needs doing, who are the best people to do it and then try organise and delegate. Nobody expects him to be giving technical advice on certain shots but he will have a huge role on the mental side of things and in organising the fight camp.

Conor has seemingly bulletproof confidence but he is human. I remember in an interview with Caroline Pearce (I think) ahead of UFC 202, it was one of the first times I'd ever heard Conor express doubt in himself: "Part of me is thinking is this the right thing to do (170lbs again)".

I'd say John does and says a lot to re-enforce Conor's confidence during the rare times it gets shook.

EagererBeaver

Maybe Ward is a better boxer than mixed martial artist. Could be in his, ah, genes.

DerrickL

Deedsie wrote: »

That's a load of nonsense, they have an extremely successful team who McGregor trusts entirely. Kavanagh was always going to be his head coach for this fight. No reason he couldn't also get in a coach with boxing expertise. That in no way makes Kavanagh useless. And people saying Conor fans are talking ****e about this fight.

what useful corner information will Kavanagh be able to give?

GerryDerpy

DerrickL wrote: »

what useful corner information will Kavanagh be able to give?

Punch him in the head and don't let him punch you.

Lake Sunshine

I think Floyd did a good job of disguising his increasing vulnerability in his last few fights, look at his face after the Maidana 2 fight for example. He was so close to being knocked out cold, he was literally saved by the bell at tge end of the third round of Maidana 2. I think McGregor could pose more problems than people think.

Gamebred

Lake Sunshine wrote: »

I think Floyd did a good job of disguising his increasing vulnerability in his last few fights, look at his face after the Maidana 2 fight for example. He was so close to being knocked out cold, he was literally saved by the bell at tge end of the third round of Maidana 2. I think McGregor could pose more problems than people think.

spix

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/conor-mcgregor-manny-pacquiao-mayweather-10684485

Makes sense to me. Gonna be hard to find an experienced boxer who won't try take mcgregor out in sparring to spoil the 'mma vs boxing' idea. This is one of few people with a proper mma and boxing record so will have a neutral opinion. Also has the experience from the pacquiao mayweather fight so could learn a few things from him without having to involve freddy roach.

Burial.

Lake Sunshine wrote: »

I think Floyd did a good job of disguising his increasing vulnerability in his last few fights, look at his face after the Maidana 2 fight for example. He was so close to being knocked out cold, he was literally saved by the bell at tge end of the third round of Maidana 2. I think McGregor could pose more problems than people think.

wonderfullife

Gamebred wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Here are the go-to-responses when anyone gives Conor a chance of doing something to Floyd:

1. Post an amusing gif dismissing the post.
2. lol.
3. No, just no.
4. Wait, you really think it? Seek help.

What that poster said was "McGregor might pose more problems than some people think". Given some people think Conor will pose zero problems, then that's a pretty fair statement.


Anyway - Common arguments on *why* he has no chance:

1. Floyd is 49-0. If 49 boxers couldn't beat him, what chance has a mixed martial artist?

2. Manny Pacquiao is a southpaw and couldn't lay a glove on him. Manny would smash Conor blindfolded.

3. Conor got tooled up in sparring with van Heerden, who isn't even very good at boxing.

4. Even if Conor lands a flukey haymaker, Floyd has a granite chin.


Counter arguments:

1. Conor has just as bad a chance as the other 49 if Floyd is still *that good*.

(Incidentally 8 boxers have beaten Floyd so maybe asking them for advice would be a good idea.)

2. Manny was injured and still landed 81 punches boxing with one good arm.

3. Even if that footage is taken at face value, Conor still landed some good shots.

4. We've no clue how Floyd's chin is at 40 because he hasn't been hit cleanly in years. We'll find out if Conor finds his chin.

Gamebred

Floyd being saved by the bell comment was what amused me Wonder, the man has never even been dropped in his career never mind be saved by the bell, this is the most extreme clutching at straws I've ever seen, that guy Conor has brought in will probably slap him around and hes some 22-21 human punchbag, hes NOT A BOXER he will be done and finished in 6 or earlier.

wonderfullife

Gamebred wrote: »

Floyd being saved by the bell comment was what amused me Wonder, the man has never even been dropped in his career never mind be saved by the bell, this is the most extreme clutching at straws I've ever seen, that guy Conor has brought in will probably slap him around and hes some 22-21 human punchbag, hes NOT A BOXER he will be done and finished in 6 or earlier.

That's not true he's been dropped as a 14-year-old in an amateur match I read the article ages ago. I'll try find it. It was yer man's claim to fame, he worked as a car salesman or something. It counts haha.

I just wanted to give you a better clutching-at-straws example

You'll be eating your words when the fight is heading into the 9th round.

wonderfullife

wonderfullife wrote: »

That's not true he's been dropped as a 14-year-old in an amateur match I read the article ages ago. I'll try find it. It was yer man's claim to fame, he worked as a car salesman or something. It counts haha.

I just wanted to give you a better clutching-at-straws example

You'll be eating your words when the fight is heading into the 9th round.

If the fight is in the 9th round its because Floyd had money on himself to win in the 10th :pac:

wonderfullife

Deleted User wrote: »

If the fight is in the 9th round its because Floyd had money on himself to win in the 10th :pac:

Facepalm :pac:

He's getting paid $230 million+ if the PPV beats the previous record. I doubt he'll be slapping down any money on the fight

Ah no, on a serious note the fight could be over in 30 seconds. Who knows. We all expected a war with Aldo. Floyd might catch Conor with a peach in the 1st round and shut his lights out.

Burial.

To be fair he was technically knocked down against Judah...albeit more of a mishap in balance rather than from the shape counter punch. Nevertheless a flash knockdown. Floyd's got a chin like Hagler.

Gamebred

wonderfullife wrote: »

That's not true he's been dropped as a 14-year-old in an amateur match I read the article ages ago. I'll try find it. It was yer man's claim to fame, he worked as a car salesman or something. It counts haha.

I just wanted to give you a better clutching-at-straws example

You'll be eating your words when the fight is heading into the 9th round.

I will and my opinion of Floyd as the best of all time will be no longer, will give Conor massive credit if he makes it competitive for one single round of this,


Can see his cardio giving out by round 4 too, after winging hail marys till then, the idea Conor is the biggest puncher he has fought amuses me too Canelo is a massive puncher would take a left off Conor anyday over a right hand from Alvarez.

wonderfullife

Gamebred wrote: »

I will and my opinion of Floyd as the best of all time will be no longer, will give Conor massive credit if he makes it competitive for one single round of this,


Can see his cardio giving out by round 4 too, after winging hail marys till then, the idea Conor is the biggest puncher he has fought amuses me too Canelo is a massive puncher would take a left off Conor anyday over a right hand from Alvarez.

Yeah agree on the cardio.

I really think it's like asking Michael Phelps to swim the 800 meters. He's built for explosive speed not endurance.

I think we'll see Conor breathing very heavily on the stool at the end of the 3rd... the 4th and 5th rounds won't be pretty, he'll be in recovery mode. Then I think he'll get his 2nd wind which should carry him as far as the 9th.

Also, the flipside to being the far bigger man is also carrying more weight. Floyd will be 155/156 on fight night, if he bothers to cut anything at all. Whereas you'd have to imagine Conor will come in at 168+. That might be an advantage to him in the early rounds but it'll become a noose around his neck the longer it goes.

Kirby

Gamebred wrote: »

I will and my opinion of Floyd as the best of all time will be no longer, will give Conor massive credit if he makes it competitive for one single round of this,


Can see his cardio giving out by round 4 too, after winging hail marys till then, the idea Conor is the biggest puncher he has fought amuses me too Canelo is a massive puncher would take a left off Conor anyday over a right hand from Alvarez.

3 minute rounds instead of 5 minute rounds. He also doesn't have to worry about kicks, elbows or being taken down.....all of which are draining. Yes he's going to gas and slow down but it isn't going to happen by round 4. Thats nuts.

Burial.

Conor will be huffing and puffing very early once he gets a few Mayweather jabs to the body and realises he has to hold his hands up all the time or get brain damage. Boxing is super intense and there's nowhere to go and catch a breather unlike MMA where there are far more breaks between exchanges where fighters can drop their hands and take a few deep breaths.

Gamebred

His cardio was never suspect pre Diaz 1 and 2 so maybe im wrong and its fighting at 170lb and carrying more weight making him tire quicker, either way as mentioned above Floyd will hit butcher his gas tank.

Ash.J.Williams

DerrickL wrote: »

Long time lurker first time poster.

I am a massive boxing fan. It is my passion. There is no way that McGregor will win this fight. I think it is very poor from Mayweather that for his 50th fight he takes on an MMA fighter with a 0-0 boxing record.

Mayweather has a granite chin and despite his lack of finishes (which I attribute to his defensive first style) he carries power with his shots.

Mayweather may choose to let McGregor survive to make it look respectable.

McGregor once said that he needs someone with size and attributes to give him trouble. Mayweather lacks the size but is infinitely more superior skilled than McGregor.

Will McGregor land more than 10 punches?

As for McGregor. He has a what, 8 week fight camp? I thought he was going to take a year off preparing his boxing skills for this fight. Instead he has an 8-10 week fight camp. He is playing around with the movement guy and his MMA coach is still his head coach. Also given the fact that McGregor has been instagramming his wild party antics, his focus has not been on boxing.

I think McGregor is underskilled and terribly prepared.

I look forward to his next MMA fight.

Don't be disappointed with mayweather as he says himself he is called "money".... I once attended a viewing of "dead mans shoes" followed by a Q&A with actor /writer Paddy considine... Some nasally D4 student type asked this annoying question about paddy getting Hollywood roles and if he uses the the money to fund his own projects or is he selling out to Hollywood... His answer was "I'd sell out to Hollywood in the mornin mate"... Sums the whole thing up for me

Gamebred

Any human with a brain would take the possible 200m on offer to fight a guy whose 0-0, legacy doesnt pay his massive bills and lifestyle costs.

wonderfullife

Yeah maybe is Kirby is right. He was fresh against Max at the end of the 3rd.

Was just taking a look and it's sort of astonishing the social media growth Conor has had while he's been away having the baby and partying.

He had 7.1 million followers on Instagram at the end of 2016, now he has 14.1 million. In the same period he has added 1.9 million followers on Twitter and another 700,000 follows on Facebook.

He is currently the #4 athlete in the entire world for social media gains in 2017. Only Ronaldo, Messi and Neymar have added more followers. He's ahead of LeBron, Zlatan, Steph Curry, Gareth Bale for gains.

Madness considering he hasn't been doing a tap. Those sort of numbers just increase the price to sponsor him for the fight. I'd say he's looking at 8 figures in sponsorship for it.

Gamebred

I will be down the price of a holiday if Conor pulls off a win, I've laid 220e at 5/1 to 3 my mates and ive bet dinner on Floyd finishing it too so far, que Floyd rolling his ankle 30 seconds in.

Lukker-

wonderfullife wrote: »

Madness considering he hasn't been doing a tap. Those sort of numbers just increase the price to sponsor him for the fight. I'd say he's looking at 8 figures in sponsorship for it.

He'd be doing well to get 7 figures total considering it's a one off sponsorship that he won't be able to carry over if/when he resumes his UFC career.

wonderfullife

Lukker- wrote: »

He'd be doing well to get 7 figures total considering it's a one off sponsorship that he won't be able to carry over if/when he resumes his UFC career.

Well, Manny had $2.3 million in sponsorship on his shorts alone for the Floyd fight..

Also there was a $1 million entry amount for unique sponsorship for the fight e.g. Burger King paid $1 million to be Floyd's mascot for 2 minutes. Hublot reportedly paid $2 million to be one of Floyd's shorts sponsors and that was purely for that one fight.

I've a hard time believing Conor will be wearing less than $3 million worth of sponsors on his shorts just for the night itself, given he has a much bigger social media reach. Then add in the likes of Budweiser, Reebok or Rolls Royce chipping in a million here, 2 million there to be associated with him for the fight...

The images of Conor wearing those shorts in the fight will be shared hundreds of millions of times. Mad money but I think it'll be $10 million+ just in sponsorship.

wonderfullife

wonderfullife wrote: »

Yeah maybe is Kirby is right. He was fresh against Max at the end of the 3rd.

Was just taking a look and it's sort of astonishing the social media growth Conor has had while he's been away having the baby and partying.

He had 7.1 million followers on Instagram at the end of 2016, now he has 14.1 million. In the same period he has added 1.9 million followers on Twitter and another 700,000 follows on Facebook.

He is currently the #4 athlete in the entire world for social media gains in 2017. Only Ronaldo, Messi and Neymar have added more followers. He's ahead of LeBron, Zlatan, Steph Curry, Gareth Bale for gains.

Madness considering he hasn't been doing a tap. Those sort of numbers just increase the price to sponsor him for the fight. I'd say he's looking at 8 figures in sponsorship for it.

I would be shocked if he got less than 8 figures for the Floyd fight in sponsorship. With his hype being so big at the moment.

The amount of companies who will sponsor him will be massive id say, for so many different types of products from clothes, drinks, games, watches etc etc etc. Obviously Floyd will make more overall for this fight, but is it possible that Conor makes more when it comes to sponsorships?

Kirby

Gamebred wrote: »

I will be down the price of a holiday if Conor pulls off a win, I've laid 220e at 5/1 to 3 my mates and ive bet dinner on Floyd finishing it too so far, que Floyd rolling his ankle 30 seconds in.

Betting on a Floyd UD is the smart money. Betting on him knocking out Conor is.....risky.

Conor has a good chin and Floyd has one legit knockout in the last decade. I wouldn't make that bet.

Gamebred

Kirby wrote: »

Betting on a Floyd UD is the smart money. Betting on him knocking out Conor is.....risky.

Conor has a good chin and Floyd has one legit knockout in the last decade. I wouldn't make that bet.

On the face of it yes, but he aint been fighting amatuers with no boxing experience, my only worry is him breaking his hands again otherwise its over by 5 or 6.

wonderfullife

Gamebred wrote: »

On the face of it yes, but he aint been fighting amatuers with no boxing experience, my only worry is him breaking his hands again otherwise its over by 5 or 6.

Do you mean a clean shot KO or an accumulation of damage TKO?

Gamebred

wonderfullife wrote: »

Do you mean a clean shot KO or an accumulation of damage TKO?

TKO, wont one punch ko him, same thing in betting terms ko/tko are deemed same in majority of bookies.