Eir rural FTTH thread

yammagamma · 01-06-2017 06:41PM

ive still no ftth connection, today again i took time off work and just as i was home kn guy rings me telling me he cant go ahead with installing the cable through the attic and down to a room even though he told me last week i can install it this way once the fibre cable does not terminate in the attic its ok to pass through the attic, i installed new ducting digging up garden and footpath drilled hole in side of gable wall pulled out CT100 satellite cable down internal duct into room ran 2 lines of builders rope through all new ducting and now he says he is told it can only go 1 meter into house and not through attic,he tried to install it last week in existing phone ducting but the old 20 core cable was jammed in ducting and no room for fibre with the 20 core but the phone point is a good 3 meters inside the hall where this phone ducting terminates ,this is the 3rd attempt i have had getting fibre through digiweb first attempt guy shows up to install a phoneline which i didnt order or want.2nd blocked duct and now 3rd they say cable cannot pass through attic s cable is a fire hazzard... are people getting installs with cable running through the attic to terminate in a room within the house

Pangea · 01-06-2017 11:05PM

yammagamma wrote: »

ive still no ftth connection, today again i took time off work and just as i was home kn guy rings me telling me he cant go ahead with installing the cable through the attic and down to a room even though he told me last week i can install it this way once the fibre cable does not terminate in the attic its ok to pass through the attic, i installed new ducting digging up garden and footpath drilled hole in side of gable wall pulled out CT100 satellite cable down internal duct into room ran 2 lines of builders rope through all new ducting

Odd how he changed his mind Did u offer to drag it across the attic for him?

The Cush · 01-06-2017 11:13PM

yammagamma wrote: »

and now 3rd they say cable cannot pass through attic s cable is a fire hazzard

Just another excuse

damienirel · 01-06-2017 11:26PM

The Cush wrote: »

Just another excuse

Exactly - sounds like BS.

More Music · 02-06-2017 02:44AM

damienirel wrote: »

Exactly - sounds like BS.

Technically it's not BS. There is a metal support core between the 2 fibres on the cable coming into the house.

If lightening was to travel through the cable it could enter the attic.

02-06-2017 07:59AM

More Music wrote: »

Technically it's not BS. There is a metal support core between the 2 fibres on the cable coming into the house.

If lightening was to travel through the cable it could enter the attic.

Incorrect, there is one fibre and two kevlar support wires in the overhead line,
there is no risk from lightening unless the cable is soaking wet and acts as a conduit for a lightening strike.

But having said that, there are millions of houses with overhead copper cables going in via the attic or from the gable and down the outside of the property. It's very rare to hear of fires started from lightening strikes entering via overhead lines.

ED E · 02-06-2017 08:11AM

Deleted User wrote: »

But having said that, there are millions of houses with overhead copper cables going in via the attic or from the gable and down the outside of the property. It's very rare to hear of fires started from lightening strikes entering via overhead lines.

There are gas breaks in place to prevent it.

Even still, every Jan/Feb there are at least as many modems as digits on your left hand that are left in hundreds of pieces thanks to strikes, leaves a rather shocking black stripe down the wall but I've not heard of one case where it started a fire.

If you wanna know why have a look into flash fires.

knipex · 02-06-2017 08:13AM

damienirel wrote: »

Exactly - sounds like BS.

The reason is BS but official policy is no attic installs, maximum 1 meter inside perimeter of building or where the duct enters the building..

Not the engineers fault.. He only does what he is told.

If you work with some of them and pull the cable across the attic and into location for them they "may" work with you BUT if you or they get hurt doing so then..... or if something goes wrong and a service guy pops out and discovers that the installation is in an attic...

Tweaky · 02-06-2017 09:22AM

I am getting conflicting results between the open eir website and the eir website when it comes to checking numbers. I believe that this may have caused the confusion that lead to my order going pearshaped last week.
One of my neighbours is also getting conflicting results eventhough the splice box is in his front garden

Can some of you check your status on the open eir site to see if you are getting the same issue by any chance

http://fibrerollout.ie/eircode-lookup/

Thanks

Turfwarrior · 02-06-2017 10:47AM

Crew of 5 KN working puling fibre through ducting back to the exchange along the R145 maynooth to kilcock road on Monday....lads said they were jus doing the ducting that other crews done the aerial lines...I asked how long will they be behind them they didn't know but there are now markings on the poles & road. Some are L which I presume means line but there is also a marking on the road LEBB..I'm hoping this doesn't stand for line ends broadband as its outside a property that's about 100mtrs away but the yellow line passes for another 500 mtrs past this property.can they carry this far from splitter boxes to serve the remaining properties..there's 12 left in the rollout after this marking. At least its some progress after decades of dark ages!!

knipex · 02-06-2017 11:31AM

ED E wrote: »

Even still, every Jan/Feb there are at least as many modems as digits on your left hand that are left in hundreds of pieces thanks to strikes, leaves a rather shocking black stripe down the wall but I've not heard of one case where it started a fire..

Over 2 years I had 3 alarm panels, 2 sets of cordless phones and 4 or 5 routers fried due to lightening strikes..

Ended up getting a GSM connection for the alarm panel and throwing out the phones and using cheap modems between the copper and router....

A few years back Eircom (as they were known) did something that appears to have reduced the problem but every couple of years.. new router required..

d31b0y · 02-06-2017 12:15PM

Never ever required a new router myself. 10+ years, I've never had a router fail for any reason.

damienirel · 02-06-2017 12:56PM

d31b0y wrote: »

Never ever required a new router myself. 10+ years, I've never had a router fail for any reason.

Lightning does strike twice - it would be down to where you're located. I never had a router blown on me either until i moved house. If you had to stay on POTs internet for the next 50 years you may never need to change your router - who the fup(sorry it's stuck in my head) knows. Gone way off topic this thread - what's happening on the FTTH rollout I wonder?

knipex · 02-06-2017 01:11PM

d31b0y wrote: »

Never ever required a new router myself. 10+ years, I've never had a router fail for any reason.

Its the area.. Phonewatch back in the day took all the houses in the area that had their alarms off landline and onto GSM. It was only stuff connected to phone lines that were affected

Eircom did something a few years back (quietly no announcement or fanare) that appears to have resolved the issue but up to then at least 2 or three times a year

d31b0y · 02-06-2017 01:32PM

Fair enough points. Sunny south east here. Never even seen a drop of rain.

Anyway, like damienirl said, back on topic.
My install is scheduled for the 16th of June but there is no way they will be able to install first time. I'm a good 200m from the main road. I suspect they will want to install a couple of poles.
Any idea if the installers would be willing to run a new duct instead? I have neighbours to think about and get permission off.

The Cush · 02-06-2017 03:22PM

d31b0y wrote: »

I'm a good 200m from the main road. I suspect they will want to install a couple of poles.
Any idea if the installers would be willing to run a new duct instead? I have neighbours to think about and get permission off.

They won't install a duct, that's your responsibility. Regarding the extra poles, you may have to cover the cost of extra poles beyond 50m from the road, the network touch point (NTP).

Eircom’s policy is that, provided that the end user’s premises is less than 50 meters from the NTP, it will deploy all the infrastructure that is required between the DP and the NTP and connect the end user but that the costs of such incremental infrastructure should be recovered as part of the up-front connection cost paid by the retail service provider. In those instances where the end user’s premises is over 50 meters from the NTP the end user will be required to provide roped duct from their premises to the NTP on the public road before Eircom would deploy the fibre drop.

d31b0y · 02-06-2017 03:28PM

Yah, I saw that before but I've heard conflicting information on this too;
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/comreg-likely-to-lower-eir-s-fibre-broadband-connection-fee-1.3100738

Eir’s wholesale arm, Open Eir, currently charges retailers using its network a fee of €270 to connect customers with a direct “fibre-to-the-home” service if they are located more than 50 metres away from its network. Retailers can either absorb the cost or pass it on to customers. Eir’s retail arm currently waives the cost.

The Cush · 02-06-2017 03:37PM

d31b0y wrote: »

Yah, I saw that before but I've heard conflicting information on this too;
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/comreg-likely-to-lower-eir-s-fibre-broadband-connection-fee-1.3100738

Currently that €270 covers the install cost 150m from the drop point (splice box) and 50m from the road (NTP), this the cost the retail provider absorbs. Beyond that distance there may be an extra cost to the end user, I remember someone posting here previously that was charged extra for pole(s).

Eircom has increased the upfront charge to €270, from 1 February 2017. As we understand it, the charge of €270 should connect all addresses within 150 meters of the DP and no more than 50 meters from the NTP.

The Cush · 02-06-2017 03:56PM

Turfwarrior wrote: »

I'm hoping this doesn't stand for line ends broadband as its outside a property that's about 100mtrs away but the yellow line passes for another 500 mtrs past this property.can they carry this far from splitter boxes to serve the remaining properties..there's 12 left in the rollout after this marking. At least its some progress after decades of dark ages!!

What does the NBP indicate for your house and those 12 properties - http://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/high-speed-broadband-map/Pages/Interactive-Map.aspx

If you're within 150m of the splice box and 50m of the road there shouldn't be a problem provided your eircode is on the rollout plan.

rob808 · 02-06-2017 04:24PM

The Cush wrote: »

What does the NBP indicate for your house and those 12 properties - http://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/high-speed-broadband-map/Pages/Interactive-Map.aspx

If you're within 150m of the splice box and 50m of the road there shouldn't be a problem provided your eircode is on the rollout plan.

what happen if your pass the 150m?

More Music · 02-06-2017 04:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Incorrect, there is one fibre and two kevlar support wires in the overhead line,
there is no risk from lightening unless the cable is soaking wet and acts as a conduit for a lightening strike.

But having said that, there are millions of houses with overhead copper cables going in via the attic or from the gable and down the outside of the property. It's very rare to hear of fires started from lightening strikes entering via overhead lines.

I stand corrected on the kevlar, but is there not a blue and an orange fibre within the cable?

The Cush · 02-06-2017 04:37PM

rob808 wrote: »

what happen if your pass the 150m?

Additional cost, this from the Comreg consultation

More recently Eircom have re-visited its policy on connecting end users and are adopting a FTTH network design that targets bringing a DP to within 150 meters of all premises. While such a design should significantly reduce the potential number of “non-standard” connections there will still be occasions where new infrastructure will need to be deployed to connect a fibre drop from the DP to the end user’s premises. For more remote end users Eircom may have to deploy additional poles or underground infrastructure along public roads between the DP and the end user’s premises.
...
Eircom proposes to connect all addresses that are within 150 meters of the DP and no more than 50 meters from the NTP.
...
it considers the costs of all incremental investment it incurs from the DP up to and including the ONT in the end users premises (including infrastructure on public roads between the DP and the NTP) as a connection cost

02-06-2017 04:38PM

More Music wrote: »

I stand corrected on the kevlar, but is there not a blue and an orange fibre within the cable?

Both transmit and receive are done over the same fibre, this achieved by using different light frequencies for each direction.

Turfwarrior · 02-06-2017 05:39PM

The Cush wrote: »

What does the NBP indicate for your house and those 12 properties - http://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Broadband/national-broadband-plan/high-speed-broadband-map/Pages/Interactive-Map.aspx

If you're within 150m of the splice box and 50m of the road there shouldn't be a problem provided your eircode is on the rollout plan.

My premises and the other 12 properties are included in the rollout but can they bring the line that far from the splice box? Or have I misinterpreted LEBB meaning? There is no more markings after this one to indicate they are going any further?

The Cush · 02-06-2017 05:46PM

Turfwarrior wrote: »

My premises and the other 12 properties are included in the rollout but can they bring the line that far from the splice box? Or have I misinterpreted LEBB meaning? There is no more markings after this one to indicate they are going any further?

According to someone in the know who posted here said the max distance between splice box and ONT is 200m. The architecture allows for a secondary splitter from the primary splitter.

cnocbui · 02-06-2017 10:19PM

So does it start with a sighting of a KN van parked near the closest green cabinet?

Turfwarrior · 03-06-2017 04:49AM

Turfwarrior wrote: »

My premises and the other 12 properties are included in the rollout but can they bring the line that far from the splice box? Or have I misinterpreted LEBB meaning? There is no more markings after this one to indicate they are going any further?

I am just under 70mtrs from this point but the yellow line goes approx 350mtrs past where its marked LEBB.. I'm fortunately within distance but am just wondering how they are going to connect the remaining properties that are beyond the 150mtrs max distance??

Turfwarrior · 03-06-2017 07:38AM

On a diff note here does anyone know where all the old poles are been stored? If the farmers haven't snatched them all up I could do with a few for a small project!

thehorse · 03-06-2017 10:22AM

They've started rolling out fibre here and all markings look to have been made. Poles have been replaced as well. It states that rollout will be complete by 2nd half of 2017 so I hope to hear things soon ......(fingers crossed)

Jpmarn · 03-06-2017 01:37PM

There is a few cases in my locality that they have fibre lines up at one end of the road but stops somewhere in the middle with completion on the long finger even so the whole road is marked yellow on Open Eir's map.

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