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Spanish Eyes · 24-05-2017 07:53PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

My Muslim friend was 26 losing her virginity. I'm no fan of the religion but let's call a spade a spade, western kids are sexualised a good bit before muslim children are. I'm not saying that to blame anyone but you can't blame religion for that, look at our own kids.

What about Muslim girls in arranged marriages at 16 or so? Often to much older men aswell.

They are not allowed to "date" so that's the only way it would seem.

gitzy16v · 24-05-2017 07:53PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

You said:

"the Sikh community set up a neighbour watch to stop the Muslims preying on their daughters?"

To stop "the Muslims". Which Muslims? A tiny minority who were preying on young women? A large majority?

You said "the Muslims" meaning all of them.

More waffle...give it up nowhere did they say ALL muslims you just added that to make your post look better.
Stop misrepresenting what people say.

Help!!!! · 24-05-2017 07:53PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

You said:

"the Sikh community set up a neighbour watch to stop the Muslims preying on their daughters?"

To stop "the Muslims". Which Muslims? A tiny minority who were preying on young women? A large majority?

You said "the Muslims" meaning all of them.

If I meant ALL I would say ALL. But then again you've been dying to call someone a racist & I won the prize. Says more about you than me

wonderfullife · 24-05-2017 07:53PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

For a start I didnt say that....
So the rest of your waffle is irrelevant...just like most of your previous input.

Cool debate strategy.

Post pure muck then deflect.

You said "they must have done something wrong to be on a watch list".

Incorrect. They're on a watch-list because police have a reason to suspect they MIGHT do something wrong in the future.

Your posts are a train-wreck.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 24-05-2017 07:55PM

:pac:

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

What about Muslim girls in arranged marriages at 16 or so? Often to much older men aswell.

They are not allowed to "date" so that's the only way it would seem.

Disgusting and vile but it's rife amongst travellers, across Africa (a lot of christians) as well as Muslim countries. It's disgusting culture not religion

wonderfullife · 24-05-2017 07:55PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

If I meant ALL I would say ALL. But then again you've been dying to call someone a racist & I won the prize. Says more about you than me

Pro tip - don't refer to people as "the Muslims" or "the Blacks" when trying to refer to a tiny handful of people within those ethnicity and religions.

Help!!!! · 24-05-2017 07:56PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Pro tip - don't refer to people as "the Muslims" or "the Blacks" when trying to refer to a tiny handful of people within those ethnicity and religions.

Pro tip: Dont call people racists when you dont actually know them.

gitzy16v · 24-05-2017 07:57PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Cool debate strategy.

Post pure muck then deflect.

You said "they must have done something wrong to be on a watch list".

Incorrect. They're on a watch-list because police have a reason to suspect they MIGHT do something wrong in the future.

Your posts are a train-wreck.

:D:D:D...the only muck being posted is yours but your entitled to you opinion.
They are on a watch list(presumably) because they have been linked to terror activities...when those links are proven the should be arrested,jailed or deported...whats so hard to understand...let the rage flow away wonder,stop the crusade:D:D

Atoms for Peace · 24-05-2017 07:58PM

Well at least Morrisey is giving a genuine reaction rather than the dull meaningless platitudes issued by politicians and celebrities.

BalcombeSt4 · 24-05-2017 07:58PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Yep that would be a start, another would be deportations for all family members of a terrorist, if they are British the they all do jail time. Might seem harsh but would give these terrorists something to think about

No it would not, it would it would just turn our countries into police states which is what ISIS & their like want. If anything would just give them extra motivation.

wonderfullife · 24-05-2017 08:00PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

:D:D:D...the only muck being posted is yours but your entitled to you opinion.
They are on a watch list(presumably) because they have been linked to terror activities...when those links are proven the should be arrested,jailed or deported...whats so hard to understand...let the rage flow away wonder,stop the crusade:D:D

You've now changed your tune to "let's charge people when they have committed a crime".

I'm in complete agreement

Professor Moriarty · 24-05-2017 08:00PM

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

No it would not, it would it would just turn our countries into police states which is what ISIS & their like want. If anything would just give them extra motivation.

Correct. They want to burn down the world and rule the ashes.

Help!!!! · 24-05-2017 08:01PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Cool debate strategy.

Post pure muck then deflect.

You said "they must have done something wrong to be on a watch list".

Incorrect. They're on a watch-list because police have a reason to suspect they MIGHT do something wrong in the future.

Your posts are a train-wreck.

So why do you think the police think they MIGHT do something in the future? So wouldnt that mean all Muslims would be on the watch list?
For someone going around calling people racist you make very big generalisations

Help!!!! · 24-05-2017 08:03PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

:pac:
Disgusting and vile but it's rife amongst travellers, across Africa (a lot of christians) as well as Muslim countries. It's disgusting culture not religion

But Muslims do it because their prophet was a pedophile

gitzy16v · 24-05-2017 08:03PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

You've now changed your tune to "let's charge people when they have committed a crime".

I'm in complete agreement

Again twisting words but sure ill leave you at it...good luck.
I didnt say that either....when links are proven....is what i said.
Carry on twisting and turning to make yourself look right.
Good luck.

_oveless_ · 24-05-2017 08:05PM

It's pretty simple really. White "terrorists" or mass murderers fall into one of two camps.

1. Legitimately insane people
2. People who belong to an ideology well outside the mainstream

Polling data shows that the type of sentiments that motivate Islamic jihadi attacks are shared by a large amount of Muslims. It's also incredibly disingenuous to use raw numbers when we're comparing attacks by Muslims vs native Europeans. Muslims right now make up a single digit percentage of the population in almost every European country. You should compare per capita and then extrapolate, especially since you and your ilk are in favor of bringing more Muslims to western nations.

The Backwards Man · 24-05-2017 08:06PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

:D:D:D...the only muck being posted is yours but your entitled to you opinion.
They are on a watch list(presumably) because they have been linked to terror activities...when those links are proven the should be arrested,jailed or deported...whats so hard to understand...let the rage flow away wonder,stop the crusade:D:D

There's bound to be people like shotfirers and hand cream manufacturers on that watchlist(wouldn't be much of a list if they weren't), you going to jail and deport them too?

Wise up.

Danzy · 24-05-2017 08:07PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Morrissey, unfortunately, is in that sad category of 'if only they'd died sooner'.

His rambling nonsense post is both completely un-self-aware and painfully simplistic.

Give it a rest Morrissey, stick to playing the thirty minute chicken slaughtering videos at your concerts.

I feel the same way about you.

It is a real tragedy.

gitzy16v · 24-05-2017 08:09PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

There's bound to be people like shotfirers and hand cream manufacturers on that watchlist(wouldn't be much of a list if they weren't), you going to jail and deport them too?

Wise up.

Something wrong with your eyes?
Wise up...maybe lookforwards you might be able to spot where I said lock up anyone on a watchlist

wonderfullife · 24-05-2017 08:09PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

So why do you think the police think they MIGHT do something in the future? So wouldnt that mean all Muslims would be on the watch list?
For someone going around calling people racist you make very big generalisations

LMAO let the racist xenophobia flow out my man.

No, it wouldn't mean all Muslims are on a watch-list as contrary to what you want to believe they are not all potential mass-murderers.

To get on a watch-list you'd need to do things like constantly watch ISIS videos, visit pro-ISIS websites, talk among your friends that ISIS is the best and the West sucks (and one of them tips police off), proof that you recently visited Iraq/Syria etc.

You can get on a watch-list for simply showing an interest in Jihadi material. You might have zero intention of ever committing a crime but you'll be on that watch-list.

Put it this way, when I was younger we had a Spanish exchange student from San Sebastian. She was 15 I was 12. She was extremely pro-ETA, basically explaining to me she's not Spanish and she's glad they're fighting back and trying to get their freedom.

Never in a million years would I believe she would ever have committed a crime, let alone join ETA in bombing campaigns. But people expressing that sort of support for terrorists publicly might be placed on a watch-list just in case.

The Backwards Man · 24-05-2017 08:11PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

Something wrong with your eyes?
Wise up...maybe lookforwards you might be able to spot where I said lock up anyone on a watchlist

Yeah, and there's hundreds of people that will be on the watchlist due to the nature of their work.

BalcombeSt4 · 24-05-2017 08:12PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

:D:D:D...the only muck being posted is yours but your entitled to you opinion.
They are on a watch list(presumably) because they have been linked to terror activities...when those links are proven the should be arrested,jailed or deported...whats so hard to understand...let the rage flow away wonder,stop the crusade:D:D

Nope, its without a doubt your posts that have the most much, pretty much everyone can see that.

gitzy16v · 24-05-2017 08:14PM

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Nope, its without a doubt your posts that have the most much, pretty much everyone can see that.

The most much what?
Calm yourself down lad,you might be able to string a sentence together then.

Help!!!! · 24-05-2017 08:15PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

LMAO let the racist xenophobia flow out my man.

No, it wouldn't mean all Muslims are on a watch-list as contrary to what you want to believe they are not all potential mass-murderers.

To get on a watch-list you'd need to do things like constantly watch ISIS videos, visit pro-ISIS websites, talk among your friends that ISIS is the best and the West sucks (and one of them tips police off), proof that you recently visited Iraq/Syria etc.

You can get on a watch-list for simply showing an interest in Jihadi material. You might have zero intention of ever committing a crime but you'll be on that watch-list.

Put it this way, when I was younger we had a Spanish exchange student from San Sebastian. She was 15 I was 12. She was extremely pro-ETA, basically explaining to me she's not Spanish and she's glad they're fighting back and trying to get their freedom.

Never in a million years would I believe she would ever have committed a crime, let alone join ETA in bombing campaigns. But people expressing that sort of support for terrorists publicly might be placed on a watch-list just in case.

Strange....you call me a racist because when I wrote " the " Muslims you took it as me saying " all " Muslims but you write this reply after I questioned you on generalising Muslims when you wrote this

Incorrect. They're on a watch-list because police have a reason to suspect they MIGHT do something wrong in the future

BalcombeSt4 · 24-05-2017 08:15PM

Anyone who thinks locking people up without a trial is a good idea just needs to take a look to the North to see how the policy their failed so horrifically and ended up with the Irish government brining the British to EU court of human rights for torturing POWS & thousands of young people joining paramilitaries.

Help!!!! · 24-05-2017 08:17PM

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Anyone who thinks locking people up without a trial is a good idea just needs to take a look to the North to see how the policy their failed so horrifically and ended up with the Irish government brining the British to EU court of human rights for torturing POWS & thousands of young people joining paramilitaries.

No but you can deport or jail family members after a terrorist kills people....not just Muslim terrorists

end of the road · 24-05-2017 08:18PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

No it's not and it's the only realistic thing that will work they are not on a watch list for no reason!

it's not realistic and it has been proven time and time again to fail. it doesn't work, never has worked, never will work.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Human rights go out the window with these boys as they afforded no human rights to the innocents they murdered!

nope. human rights don't go out the window for bad people, otherwise they will go out the window for the rest of us eventually.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Whatever your views on Morrissey, he is saying out loud what a lot of people are thinking silently, afraid to speak out.

Because you know, they have to be brave, carry on, not allow events to disturb their lives and are fkn gagged because of PCism and perceived racism and any other ism you can mention to silence the truth.

We need anger, not flowers and candles, and more people to lead the way by speaking out.

Children were murdered with flying nails and bolts FGS. That should be a total gamechanger, but still the silent vigils and candles because it is not right to condemn anyone nowadays is it?

"afraid to speak out"

"gagged because of PCism and perceived racism and any other ism you can mention to silence the truth"

yeah, sure. if one is "afraid to speak out" and feal they are "gagged" maybe it's because they know what they have to say is guff. mind you they like nothing better then trying to play the victim when they are as far from one as it gets.

and if you are seriously suggesting that this attack hasn't been condemned then you are wrong.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Well do you think these terrorists care about our laws? Hows it discrimination?
Terrorist kills people his family end up deported or jailed....that goes for all terrorists, NO DISCRIMINATION!!

Or would you prefer to keep seeing little girls killed after concerts??

plenty of discrimination. because lets face it, some would only support this nonsense policy because the people involved are brown.
deporting innocent people (who actually might be british themselves) to god knows where, because their family member did something is just as much targeting the innocent as a terrorist attack.

24-05-2017 08:19PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

So why do you think the police think they MIGHT do something in the future? So wouldnt that mean all Muslims would be on the watch list?
For someone going around calling people racist you make very big generalisations

Why would police think that all Muslim's might do something wrong?

Help!!!! · 24-05-2017 08:23PM

[QUOTE=end of the road;103612467
plenty of discrimination. because lets face it, some would only support this nonsense policy because the people involved are brown.
deporting innocent people (who actually might be british themselves) to god knows where, because their family member did something is just as much targeting the innocent as a terrorist attack.[/QUOTE]

Well if it gots into law it would apply to everyone, the British would do jail time. You do realise that 66% of Muslims in the UK said they wouldnt report someone joining ISIS? So yeah deporting or jailing the families might not be targeting anyone innocent

wonderfullife · 24-05-2017 08:26PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

No but you can deport or jail family members after a terrorist kills people....not just Muslim terrorists

Right so you're saying if a Radical Islamist has 5 brothers and 3 sisters, that if he kills people then you lock up the 8 siblings?

For the crime of being related to him?

Why stop there? Let's lock up a wife, all cousins, 2nd cousins, uncles, aunts, nieces, nephews, grandparents, great-grandparents while we're at it.

Do you have any idea what amount of nonsense you're spouting?

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