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Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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  • #1922
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,688 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    In Paris it is definitely soldiers and not police, I think in Belgium too. In France they've had military guarding Jewish schools for several years now AFAIK and now it's progressed to them having to patrol the streets

    Same in Malmo where kids have to be escorted to school by Police. My mates Niece are living there and has get bus with Police car in front every morning.

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • #1923
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    It's the common denominator amongst all the attacks.
    Islam.
    It's home grown Islamists that carry out most of the attacks.
    Not lads from the ME coming over to exact revenge.
    The wests bombing in the ME is part of the problem but Islam and it's hatred of our way of life that's the major motivation for these attacks.

    People are sick of me going on about the same thing so we'll have agree to disagree.


  • #1924
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Do you remember how the war started? A bunch of nutters flew planes into buildings in America. Do you not remember that? They said it was because they had a few air bases in Saudi Arabia.

    Am, well, am, no. It goes back a lot further.


  • #1925
    muppetshow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭muppetshow


    mikeybrennan wrote: »
    Yes of course, but the west's actions since,

    Careless Bombing,internment in Guantanamo
    Foolishly removing the mid-east dictators has helped stir up a new generation of terrorists

    I think this was the plan for the bigger future.
    Bin ladens 7 step plan.
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-future-of-terrorism-what-al-qaida-really-wants-a-369448.html


  • #1926
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    mikeybrennan wrote: »
    Yes of course, but the west's actions since,

    Careless Bombing,internment in Guantanamo
    Foolishly removing the mid-east dictators has helped stir up a new generation of terrorists
    Like this lad who was born in England or the "refugee" who drove a truck through Berlin who was from Syria,Iraq,Afghanistan oh no from Tunisia don't remember "the west" ripping through Tunisia.
    Open your eyes people Islam is the problem.
    Radical Islam needs cracking down on hard and the authorities know most of the radical mosques,we have our own one here.


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  • #1927
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Era the anti British Libya talk.

    Anti British talk? What are you on about? Aren't Celtic a British club by the way?


  • #1928
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,688 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Anti British talk? What are you on about? Aren't Celtic a British club by the way?

    They are but would keep that Hush ;)

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • #1929
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,745 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Just watching the ITV news, and shocking to see the mother of that 18yr old getting wheeled out in front of a crowd and the tv cameras to lay a rose
    That's unacceptable, christ her daughter only died last night, give her some space and respect.

    I hate the tv channels at times like this.


  • #1930
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Same in Malmo where kids have to be escorted to school by Police. My mates Niece are living there and has get bus with Police car in front every morning.

    It is mental that people have come to accept this as normal, dare I say in many cases, a small inconvenience to be accepted, to point out that it is not normal, not positive and deeply wrong is to be treated as if you were a Nazi.


  • #1931
    Biggest lickspittle on boardz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    The Terror Threat as been raised to critical. First time since 2007. Must be a new threat.


    It suggests that there is a trained bomb-maker now in the UK, and the likelihood of further attacks is very high. This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. I hope the UK intelligence services catch a lucky break and neutralise the threat early.


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  • #1932
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,392 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Do you remember how the war started? A bunch of nutters flew planes into buildings in America. Do you not remember that? They said it was because they had a few air bases in Saudi Arabia.

    The gulf war, Ollie North, George HW Bush and the ghost of Ronald Regan may have a few choice words to say about that. Ah Oliver North at least he had the class to use an Irish passport while doing his durty deeds.


  • #1933
    neverever1
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    They are but would keep that Hush ;)

    Why?


  • #1934
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Danzy wrote: »
    It is mental that people have come to accept this as normal, dare I say in many cases, a small inconvenience to be accepted, to point out that it is not normal, not positive and deeply wrong is to be treated as if you were a Nazi.

    My mates Brother is not poor man either. Married to Swedish Woman. Its not a poor school. I did bit of research on the school and was in nice area and very popular.

    Thats the worst bit. Its not like its in some slum.

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • #1935
    muppetshow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭muppetshow


    Danzy wrote: »
    It is mental that people have come to accept this as normal, dare I say in many cases, a small inconvenience to be accepted, to point out that it is not normal, not positive and deeply wrong is to be treated as if you were a Nazi.

    Not to mention
    Video of gender-segregated Muslim school bus leaves Swedish authorities fuming
    https://www.rt.com/news/383515-sweden-school-gender-segregation/


  • #1936
    SkepticQuark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭SkepticQuark


    Danzy wrote: »
    It is mental that people have come to accept this as normal, dare I say in many cases, a small inconvenience to be accepted, to point out that it is not normal, not positive and deeply wrong is to be treated as if you were a Nazi.

    I'm sorry but I see very little people treating others as "Nazis", just don't go around spouting bigotry. We've had tweets asking for a "final solution", that's pretty much a Nazi. Saying these terrorist attacks shouldn't happen is not going to get you called a Nazi, but saying things like "we need a kill list" will not get you a positive reaction and rightly so. If there are people who are calling you a Nazi for saying it shouldn't happen they are morons.


  • #1937
    Persephone kindness
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    Terrible things happening in the world today guys. Well everyday...but Manchester is close. Feels close. I feel sad. The police have named him.
    22 Salman Abedi

    His family are libyan. His father is anti ISIS and very outspokenly anti jihadi.

    People around him said recently he had been acting odd and chanting prayers on the street developing an aggressive attitude and being withdrawn.

    Quote:
    Mohammed Saeed, the imam of Didsbury Mosque and Islamic Centre, said Salman Abedi had looked at him “with hate” after he gave a sermon criticising Isis and Ansar al-Sharia in Libya“Salman showed me a face of hate after that sermon,” he said. “He was showing me hatred.”

    Saeed said a friend was so worried that he got his adult children to sit beside Salman Amedi in case he attacked the imam..
    Showing disrespect to an imam is not done ..it's just not.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-ariana-grande

    From these reports it actually appears his muslin community actively tried to make sure their followers including Abedi were not radicalized. It sounds like he was ill.

    So many people will not get their children back now. RIP. Prayers...there are no words really are there...



    In the Muslim community.It's not. It's highly unusual. That is what i mean.

    They are shown huge respect. For a Muslim of a mosque to show disrespect is very odd. It's haraam ...you stand at the saying out loud of the title imam in a religious assembly as a muslim

    https://www.al-islam.org/mikyalul-ma...ion-imams-name

    For Sunni's they are like priests ..for the Shia they are appointed by god ..so yeah it's odd for a muslim to act like that toward an Imam.

    His neighbours say they knew he was acting odd and chanting on the street for weeks. But no one reported it.



    Youngest Victim is 8. :(

    So there you go ..his family were anti Isis and anti Jihadi...his imam was anti Isis anti Jihadi and anti the Ansar al-Sharia militia. They actively preached this. He was chanting on the street. He was ill. He made an angry bitter choice to ignore his community .


  • #1938
    muppetshow
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    roddy15 wrote: »
    I'm sorry but I see very little people treating others as "Nazis", just don't go around spouting bigotry. We've had tweets asking for a "final solution", that's pretty much a Nazi. Saying these terrorist attacks shouldn't happen is not going to get you called a Nazi, but saying things like "we need a kill list" will not get you a positive reaction and rightly so. If there are people who are calling you a Nazi for saying it shouldn't happen they are morons.

    We are still waiting for the day goverments in Europe will do something about the problem,is that Nazi too?Or should we just go ahead as usual and pretend nothing happened?


  • #1939
    Hank Scorpio
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    Persephone kindness wrote: »

    So there you go ..his family were anti Isis and anti Jihadi...his imam was anti Isis anti Jihadi and anti the Ansar al-Sharia militia. They actively preached this. He was chanting on the street. He was ill.

    At least we know who the real victim is so.


  • #1940
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Persephone kindness wrote: »
    They actively preached this. He was chanting on the street. He was ill.

    Given that this mental illness is confined to Sunni Muslims or those who convert to Sunni Islam, it is quite an usual illness.


  • #1941
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    muppetshow wrote: »
    I am,son,get over it.
    There's nothing for me to get over here (and funny you mention 'son' in the context), you're the one trying to claim some high ground while cheerleading for an advocate of pedophilia, which even Breitbart wouldn't stand by him for. Scarlet for you.


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  • #1942
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,663 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Same in Malmo where kids have to be escorted to school by Police. My mates Niece are living there and has get bus with Police car in front every morning.

    Poor kids. Jewish people get little sympathy on here and in general though. Not many people seem to care that they feel under severe threat and are leaving Europe in record numbers.


  • #1943
    SkepticQuark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭SkepticQuark


    muppetshow wrote: »
    We are still waiting for the day goverments in Europe will do something about the problem,is that Nazi too?Or should we just go ahead as usual and pretend nothing happened?

    What has this got to do with my post? Again you've also engaged in the usual black or white issue here, I never said we should do nothing, so many here are literally putting words into people's mouths when they say maybe let's not have "kill lists" and get rid of due process. Not wanting those things does not equate to "oh well let's do nothing" so stop claiming that.

    Nobody in the right mind would call people saying terrorism is wrong a Nazi, calling for kill lists, mass deportations of all Muslims, getting rid of due process etc. however should get a negative reaction because those ideas go against the principles we should maintain.


  • #1944
    ThisRegard
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    KwackerJack wrote: »
    Excellent post by the Liberal
    .


    Wonder who they plagiarised it from, and were you offered an iPad to post it here?


  • #1945
    Biggest lickspittle on boardz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    muppetshow wrote: »
    We are still waiting for the day goverments in Europe will do something about the problem,is that Nazi too?Or should we just go ahead as usual and pretend nothing happened?


    Europe should start by creating an active intelligence service. Without eyes and ears on the ground actively pursuing and trading intelligence closely, then they might as well turn off the lights and close the whole shop down.


  • #1946
    muppetshow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭muppetshow


    Billy86 wrote: »
    There's nothing for me to get over here (and funny you mention 'son' in the context), you're the one trying to claim some high ground while cheerleading for an advocate of pedophilia, which even Breitbart wouldn't stand by him for. Scarlet for you.

    I know the truth hurts,but you have to be in my shoes to understand,and i am not going to explain that to you.
    You need to travel the world for 25 years first.


  • #1947
    Billy86
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    What you are saying here is that the US is directly responsible for the attack last night. Well this can't be 100% correct because nothing the US has ever done has created Wahhabism. So at best you could argue that the US are only partly to blame.
    The US (and many western countries) isn't totally to blame by a long, long shot, but they did a lot of the funding for the House of Saud who used that money to build schools, hospitals and all other forms of infrastructure across the middle east with a very strong Wahhabist influence. Wahhabism has been around for over 300 years, but has only really become relevant since the discovery and exploitation of oil in the region over the last 50-60.


  • #1948
    Richard Hillman
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    Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »
    It suggests that there is a trained bomb-maker now in the UK, and the likelihood of further attacks is very high. This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. I hope the UK intelligence services catch a lucky break and neutralise the threat early.

    This is the big one. These lads coming from Syria are way too valuable to blow themselves up. They send the dregs for that. All of these lads coming either from Syria or home from Syria attended Bombmaking 101.


  • #1949
    Billy86
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    muppetshow wrote: »
    I know the truth hurts,but you have to be in my shoes to understand,and i am not going to explain that to you.
    You need to travel the world for 25 years first.
    I've lived in a multiple different countries and got to know people from all over the world, of different faiths, beliefs and cultures thank you very much. Sadly you're just digging and digging here, making assumptions in and effort to get away from the fact you're a using of a pedophilia advocate to try and claim some moral high ground and "score points" with.


  • #1950
    Gamebred
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    one dead is too many but had he got inside the concert it would've been triple figures minimum thank god more werent lost.


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  • #1951
    Allah snackbar
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    CeilingFly wrote: »
    Scaremongering bull.

    No smoke. No fire, no gunshots.

    Sometimes ACCIDENTS happen.

    There is absolutely nothing about this tragedy that suggests anything other than some dreadful accident with something in the arena.

    But due to sensationalist media and overactive social media, fools jump to the "terrorism" assumption.

    How did that outburst work out for you


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