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Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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  • #1892
    mikeybrennan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 869 ✭✭✭mikeybrennan


    Morrissey is full of it

    Wasn't an MP murdered and an attack on the houses of parliament foiled in recent times


  • #1893
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    could it be possible a bunch of terrorists may dress up as soldiers/police officers etc and pull an attack ??? like in the movie London has fallen

    heading too London for a gig next month so i should see a few armed cops/soliders around the area
    True about London, thugh you do still see some of them around parts generally - a good few in Kings Cross/St. Pancras for example. they might be a bit edgy at the minute but they're generally nice guys, better to ask than staff there for directions I find. According to one of them, the worst part of having the massive guns they carry around is the effort that has to go into taking a break for a p*ss.


  • #1894
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,663 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    kopite386 wrote: »
    Threat level in the UK raised to critical with Military being deployed on the streets according to Theresa May after earlier today she said it would remain Severe, so obviously intelligence has found new information ?


    Military deployed in the streets is in keeping with many other European cities nowadays. Shocking and sad that this is the new normal in modern day Europe. Can't see it changing anytime soon, the threat is only growing.


  • #1895
    muppetshow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭muppetshow


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Nope, your ex Breitbart editor of choice. I don't follow Muhammad, but you appear to follow Milo, like I said no moral high ground there for you sorry.

    Then dont even go there,please,you will crash and burn.


  • #1896
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Libya has had it as bad as many Middle Eastern countries. I don't know what anyone gains from denying that 'the wests' bombing campaign in these countries has at least some impact on the current mindset of these people.

    His parents escaped Gadaffis regime.
    The west got rid of Gadaffi,you'd think they'd be pleased.
    I'll go with Islam as the reason.
    Carry on with your crusade though.
    Good luck.


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  • #1897
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    tomofson wrote: »
    Nobody has denied that, but there is other issues too you dont have to just keep pushing that one.

    Of course, these people might be isolated and so on but yes people have denied the impact of what I'm saying.


  • #1898
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    muppetshow wrote: »
    Then dont even go there,please,you will crash and burn.
    Go where? Citing people who advocate for pedophilia in an attempt to claim some moral superiority? Sorry but you're long ahead of me on that one.


  • #1899
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    His parents escaped Gadaffis regime.
    The west got rid of Gadaffi,you'd think they'd be pleased.
    I'll go with Islam as the reason.
    Carry on with your crusade though.
    Good luck.

    See? Denial.


  • #1900
    mikeybrennan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 869 ✭✭✭mikeybrennan


    Gamebred wrote: »
    22 people die in the west die everybody loses their mind, I'd say drone attacks in the middle east have killed twice that in the last week alone, when will they light up the Eiffel tower in them countries colours...

    Careless drone strikes have been shown to cause radicalization in the affected countries

    There's loads of info out there to back it up


  • #1901
    Ronaldinho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Ronaldinho


    My two cents. Up until a few months ago I spent a lot of time reading about and pondering what you might call 'the problems of our times', like the sharp increase in terrorist attacks and the problems associated with such a massive surge in immigration.

    Now, for me, I just think life's too short to worry about this stuff. I have no confidence in policy makers will/ability to deal with these complicated and challenging issues and I have grave concerns for what parts of Europe will be like to live in 10yrs+.

    The way this cynic sees things, either you're moneyed/protected like many of those policy makers and can live in a bubble, or you get the hell out of dodge if things get sketchy.


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  • #1902
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    mikeybrennan wrote: »
    Careless drone strikes have been shown to cause radicalization in the affected countries

    There's loads of info out there to back it up

    But people won't accept that. It can only because of some mad book!


  • #1903
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    neverever1 wrote: »
    See? Denial.

    Yes your denial that Islam isn't a motivational factor in each and EVERY one of these attacks.
    I've denied nothing yet.


  • #1904
    kopite386
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭kopite386


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Military deployed in the streets is in keeping with many other European cities nowadays. Shocking and sad that this is the new normal in modern day Europe. Can't see it changing anytime soon, the threat is only growing.

    Yeah I thought it was armed police on the streets not military - I know what you mean most major cities have them on their streets


  • #1905
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    Yes your denial that Islam isn't a motivational factor in each and EVERY one of these attacks.
    I've denied nothing yet.

    It's not the route cause!


  • #1906
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,688 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    neverever1 wrote: »
    See? Denial.

    Let me guess you're Celtic fan?

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • #1907
    Grayditch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    Gamebred wrote: »
    22 people die in the west and everybody loses their mind, I'd say drone attacks in the middle east have killed twice that in the last week alone, when will they light up the Eiffel tower in them countries colours...

    There's always someone that wants to play misery top-trumps.


  • #1908
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,006 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Gamebred wrote: »
    22 people die in the west and everybody loses their mind, I'd say drone attacks in the middle east have killed twice that in the last week alone, when will they light up the Eiffel tower in them countries colours...

    If your neighbour is attacked you might take more interest than if someone 20 miles away is attacked.

    It's inevitable it will get more attention here.


  • #1909
    muppetshow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭muppetshow


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Go where? Citing people who advocate for pedophilia in an attempt to claim some moral superiority? Sorry but you're long ahead of me on that one.

    I am,son,get over it.


  • #1910
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Let me guess you're Celtic fan?

    No? What is that all about?


  • #1911
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Grayditch wrote: »
    There's always someone that wants to play misery top-trumps.


    Nope, just pointing out the irony of vigils and faux outrage by people, same flesh and bones being wiped out by military for the last 16 years in the middle east nobody gives a rats about it.


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  • #1912
    Beyondgone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Libya has had it as bad as many Middle Eastern countries. I don't know what anyone gains from denying that 'the wests' bombing campaign in these countries has at least some impact on the current mindset of these people.

    I agree. We, "The Great West" have inflicted misery, Terror and Destruction on Libya, the Middle east and beyond. It is what it is. They do say Karma is a bitch, and a small, niggly part of my brain believes that. I'm also well able to cast my mind into the headset of a disaffected Muslim who despises the West - on many grounds - The people "we" have killed in their home countries, The homes "we" have levelled with bombs, Their children "we", "The Great West" have killed. But "We the Great West" is not the average man, woman or child in the street. I doubt many at that concert had any hand act or part in historical and current events in the Middle East. So the hatred of the Jihadist is misplaced. But sadly, it's "we" the Joe soaps that stand to suffer. Not the Great "Them" who control Western Policy.

    Is there a solution? Highly doubtful.

    "Deport them!" is asinine.

    "Don't let any more in!" - well, "they're" in, there's columns more coming, posting on the internet won't change that, it is what it is. Killing Quaddafi ensured that as a new reality. Dumb move that btw...

    "Integration!". Well, they may not fancy that - I know if I was a Muslim, I wouldn't want to integrate with me - I drink, I smoke and the missus wears some seriously skimpy skirts betimes and when drunk, she has been known to listen to very loud music, so that's a non-runner.

    The solution? Lol. There isn't one. It's one of those conundrums. It may be a time for cool heads.


  • #1913
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    neverever1 wrote: »
    It's not the route cause!

    It's the common denominator amongst all the attacks.
    Islam.
    It's home grown Islamists that carry out most of the attacks.
    Not lads from the ME coming over to exact revenge.
    The wests bombing in the ME is part of the problem but Islam and it's hatred of our way of life that's the major motivation for these attacks.


  • #1914
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    mikeybrennan wrote: »
    Careless drone strikes have been shown to cause radicalization in the affected countries

    There's loads of info out there to back it up


    Do you remember how the war started? A bunch of nutters flew planes into buildings in America. Do you not remember that? They said it was because they had a few air bases in Saudi Arabia.


  • #1915
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,693 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Son Of A Vidic wrote: »
    Last night's horrific attack was not just an attack on innocent kids, it was an attack on women and an inclusive, free society. The attacker knew the majority of Ariana Grande fans would have been young girls and he couldn't have picked an easier target. But this is in keeping with the warped Whabbist ideology that fuels such sick hate. A warped ideology that had its birth pangs in and continues to be spread and funded by the disgusting and primitive House Of Saud in Saudi Arabia. A country that treats women like chattel and their rights are almost non-existent.

    Yet this is the same country where The United States Of America just signed a new ten year $350 billion dollar arms deal last weekend. A deal that maintains The House Of Sauds suppression regime in Saudi Arabia, a deal that further enables their continuing brutality in Yemen and their global exportation of terror. But that's O.K, because for successive American administrations, their corporate masters and money is and always will be their God. The American 'national interest' is more important than the rights of women, the kids in Yemen or the global victims of Saudis inspired Wahhabi terror. So the elephant in the room has to be ignored.

    Why? Because billion dollar deals and The Saudis trillion dollar investments in the American economy. Means the Americans will gladly turn a blind eye, as The Saudis continue to provide the ideological and financial support to Wahhabi terrorist scum. Incompetent and war mongering America foreign policy through the decades has also facilitated, enabled and fueled the growth of the psychopaths from Daesh and Al Qaeda. From the brutal and illegal war in Iraq to the destruction of Libya, helping to return it to the stone age.

    Which all begs the question, will America ever learn and stop the cycle? Or are the corporate profits just too good? Will they ever stop this hypocrisy and confront The disgusting House Of Saud and the continuing export of their warped, Wahhabi, terrorist ideology. Sadly, I suspect they won't. Since Saudi oil and their big investments in The West will continue to prevent such confrontation, because it would appear that money is and will continue to be God.

    So the media and the experts, will continue to waste their times analysing the symptoms of the disease, rather than focusing on the real cause of the disease and why it isn't being addressed. Meanwhile, more beautiful & innocent young kids who are just beginning their lives, will continue to die and be sacrificed on the altar of hypocrisy.

    My deepest sympathies to all who suffered during last night's horror and may those who died RIP.

    What you are saying here is that the US is directly responsible for the attack last night. Well this can't be 100% correct because nothing the US has ever done has created Wahhabism. So at best you could argue that the US are only partly to blame.

    As for suggesting that the US should take action to counter the activities of counties like Saudi Arabia then that is saying that the US should play the worlds police man. Surly non-intervention in foreign counties affairs would be more likely to prevent terrorists attacks in western countries?

    So it looks to me that no matter whether the US take a 'turn a blind eye' or interventionist strategy they will be damned either way.

    I think that attacks such as last night and in Paris are inspired first and foremost by the ideological differences between Muslims and western culture, an opportunistic attitude that uses the backdrop of American foreign policies and actions as an excuse to bolster their case. Meaning that there would always be a desire in a tiny section of Muslim culture to carry out these attacks completely irrespective of anything the west has ever done in terms of their foreign policy.

    It's all very well saying that Muslims in the UK are descent people but just because they don't go around massacring people in their community does not mean they don't hold views that are alien to western society and if they feel alienated who's fault is that if not their own. Are we to accept their Islamic views under threat of a terrorist attack? No. It is not the west that should bend to suit them rather if they wish to live in the west and be treated with respect then it is them that have reassess their own views. If they don't like it then they can just sod off.


  • #1916
    KwackerJack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭KwackerJack


    Excellent post by the Liberal

    Mod....please delete if not allowed

    Taken from The Liberal #Theliberal

    As the world looks on at utter carnage in the Manchester Arena, it appears that finally Europe has woken up to the battle we all face together.

    The utter shock and disbelief of pictures revolving around the world of innocent children, parents and workers being blown to pieces, have shrapnel blasted into their faces and screams of terror may well finally be the tipping point for rational voices to be heard and for hard-hitting left wing activists to leave their political correct nonsense at the door.

    How many more Facebook temporary profile pictures will need to be used? How many more “oh the world has gone mad, RIP to all involved” statuses will be posted? How many more “you can’t say that” comments?

    People saw the utter devastation that these Islamic extremist animals are willing to inflict.

    A beautiful little 8-yr-old girl has her life ended in the name of Islam but God forbid anyone chastise Islam for fear of being branded a racist.

    For all the do-gooders who have campaigned for open borders, that Europe “has a duty” to take in as many undocumented migrants as possible, I ask – WHERE ARE YOU NOW?

    Are you going to that little 8-yr-old girl’s funeral? Are you going to post a status tonight claiming Europe should take in even more undocumented migrants – who incidentally could just happen to be the old Trojan horse trick?

    For anyone who is spouting about “oh but they could be born in UK”, give me a break! Of course there’s major domestic terrorism but why add to that threat?

    The bottom line today is that ISIS made a fatal error last night. They attacked our children, and I say our children because effectively the attack could have taken place at any major city in Europe.

    It tugs at the heartstrings, we feel it more thinking back to our own childhood and how innocence has been robbed.

    Our own domestic problems are insignificant. Islamic extremists don’t care about our differences, they care about us as a whole, and by care I mean utterly detest.

    ISIS have forced Western culture to question its own “new” culture of multiculturalism. Does it work? Can such diversities live in harmony? Where does ISIS end and religions muslims being? These questions are for muslims themselves to answer and very loudly at that.

    One thing is for sure, the pendulum is swaying, people are fed up and sick and tired of the politically correct brigade apologising for Europe’s shortcomings. Open borders DO NOT work, undocumented migrants are far too much of a risk.

    The battle is well and truly underway, but it’s up to a combined European effort to the win the war on terror.


  • #1917
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,688 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    neverever1 wrote: »
    No? What is that all about?

    Era the anti British Libya talk.

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • #1918
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,663 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    kopite386 wrote: »
    Yeah I thought it was armed police on the streets not military - I know what you mean most major cities have them on their streets

    In Paris it is definitely soldiers and not police, I think in Belgium too. In France they've had military guarding Jewish schools for several years now AFAIK and now it's progressed to them having to patrol the streets


  • #1919
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,078 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Nope, just pointing out the irony of vigils and faux outrage by people, same flesh and bones being wiped out by military for the last 16 years in the middle east nobody gives a rats about it.

    It stops them before they can blow up anymore children so thats a win.


  • #1920
    kopite386
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭kopite386


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    In Paris it is definitely soldiers and not police, I think in Belgium too. In France they've had military guarding Jewish schools for several years now AFAIK and now it's progressed to them having to patrol the streets

    Alright thanks I didn't know it was the military buy have just been the UK then had armed police and not military


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  • #1921
    mikeybrennan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 869 ✭✭✭mikeybrennan


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Do you remember how the war started? A bunch of nutters flew planes into buildings in America. Do you not remember that? They said it was because they had a few air bases in Saudi Arabia.

    Yes of course, but the west's actions since,

    Careless Bombing,internment in Guantanamo
    Foolishly removing the mid-east dictators has helped stir up a new generation of terrorists


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