Antifa.....the joke that keeps on giving

Depp · 18-04-2017 02:08PM

20Cent wrote: »

Having a discussion with a nazi implies that being one is a legitimate viewpoint to have. What would you discuss? Which race or minority needs to be exterminated next. Best thing is to remove their platform. Everything aboit it is corrosive to democracy.

once again, define nazi.

also note the irony of taking away someones right to speak because theyre bad for democracy

Will I Am Not · 18-04-2017 02:14PM

You have to just hope some people are trolling and are not that stupid or even worse... serious.

20Cent · 18-04-2017 02:17PM

silverharp wrote: »

and anyone that has a hammer and sickle. Having a discussion with a commie implies that being one is a legitimate viewpoint to have. What would you discuss? Which class or property owners needs to be exterminated next. Best thing is to remove their platform. Everything about it is corrosive to democracy.

see what I did there

Yes you seem to be agreeing with me.

Call Me Jimmy · 18-04-2017 02:26PM

silverharp wrote: »

and anyone that has a hammer and sickle. Having a discussion with a commie implies that being one is a legitimate viewpoint to have. What would you discuss? Which class or property owners needs to be exterminated next. Best thing is to remove their platform. Everything about it is corrosive to democracy.

see what I did there

No, antifa aren't communists, stalin wasn't a communist. Socialism is all they ask for. People just haven't done it right. Unfortunately Venuzuela is the latest to royally **** up the simple plan of making everybody equal; equally ****ed with shops with no stock and a country that's dying on its feet.

20Cent · 18-04-2017 02:34PM

Antifa aren't communist. Some individuals might be but so are some man utd fans. Doesn't mean man utd is communist.

NinjaKirby · 18-04-2017 02:35PM

20Cent wrote: »

Having a discussion with a nazi implies that being one is a legitimate viewpoint to have. What would you discuss? Which race or minority needs to be exterminated next. Best thing is to remove their platform. Everything aboit it is corrosive to democracy.

In some ways I can agree here. I'd never get into a discussion with a random neo-nazi because I think they are a joke, possibly even a troll, and simply not worth my time.

If it was someone I cared about like a friend or relative then for sure I would discuss it with them because I'd like them to see why it's wrong. I'd be hoping to change their viewpoint.

Should society have the right to remove their platform? Honestly, if it meant their ideology would just die off and never come back then maybe yes.

Does it not worry you that removing their platform or making up lies about them or outright assaulting them in the street may actually improve their situation in the long run?

If we are removing their platform then we are being authoritarian ourselves right? How authoritarian should we be? Do we just stop at Nazis or do we go after everyone we consider to be illegitimate or "corrosive to democracy"? Or do we allow ourselves to stop at Nazis and just find a way to label our future opponents as "Nazis" or maybe even call them "pre-Nazis"?

I certainly wouldn't trust you to make the decision on who gets a platform and who does not. Hell, I'm not sure I'd even trust myself. So maybe it's better to just let them have their say and then argue against it rationally?

silverharp · 18-04-2017 02:39PM

20Cent wrote: »

Yes you seem to be agreeing with me.

I doubt your position is outlaw any belief that undermines democracy so I was just highlighting the hypocrisy of your post. And even if it was who gets to decide. If there was no concept of free speech in the West then gay people for instance wouldn't have been able to put a case for their rights. Why allow someone to advocate for something that is illegal right?

Let everyone speak, then the arguments can be demolished in the public sphere if so deserving simple as.

Call Me Jimmy · 18-04-2017 02:42PM

20Cent wrote: »

Antifa aren't communist. Some individuals might be but so are some man utd fans. Doesn't mean man utd is communist.

But how do you not apply that simple logic to the other side?

Ulysses Gaze · 18-04-2017 02:42PM

20Cent wrote: »

Having a discussion with a nazi implies that being one is a legitimate viewpoint to have. What would you discuss? Which race or minority needs to be exterminated next. Best thing is to remove their platform. Everything aboit it is corrosive to democracy.

Why not engage and ridicule their beliefs?

Call Me Jimmy · 18-04-2017 02:44PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Why not engage and ridicule their beliefs?

One of the greatest achievements of our own country was doing this to Catholicism. We didnt 'punch catholics' and look its not 100% gone but its effectively dying. And furthermore I don't want to see catholism gone, I'm quite happy with people believing in it.

Ulysses Gaze · 18-04-2017 02:48PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

One of the greatest achievements of our own country was doing this to Catholicism. We didnt 'punch catholics' and look its not 100% gone but its effectively dying. And furthermore I don't want to see catholism gone, I'm quite happy with people believing in it.

In the UK, the BBC invited Nick Griffin onto one of their current affairs programs and he was destroyed.

Justin Barrett was interviewed on numerous TV shows and caught lying and making up figures thus undermining the Nationalist Ireland party's credibility.

If you want to destroy an idea like Nazism, engage, debate and expose it to ridicule.

biko · 18-04-2017 02:52PM

The antifa way

1. Make sure everyone agrees it's ok to attack and punch nazis
2. Designate anyone with a different viewpoint a nazi

Depp · 18-04-2017 03:18PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Why not engage and ridicule their beliefs?

This exactly, as I've said before the easiest way to kill richard spencers movement is to let him speak! shutting him up with violence only strengthens them.

Depp · 18-04-2017 03:19PM

20Cent wrote: »

Antifa aren't communist. Some individuals might be but so are some man utd fans. Doesn't mean man utd is communist.

There is actually too much irony here.

20Cent · 18-04-2017 03:26PM

Depp wrote: »

This exactly, as I've said before the easiest way to kill richard spencers movement is to let him speak! shutting him up with violence only strengthens them.

Spence was on a roll. Had a conference in Washington DC inauguration day shouting Heil Trump. Now hes afraid to show his face in public. Win.

Depp · 18-04-2017 03:32PM

20Cent wrote: »

Spence was on a roll. Had a conference in Washington DC inauguration day shouting Heil Trump. Now hes afraid to show his face in public. Win.

so you're completely obvlivious to how him getting punched strengthened his movement online? but sure hes afraid of being attacked by thugs thats definitely a win! if you think thats a good way to win an argument fair play to you, says a lot!

20Cent · 18-04-2017 03:41PM

Depp wrote: »

so you're completely obvlivious to how him getting punched strengthened his movement online? but sure hes afraid of being attacked by thugs thats definitely a win! if you think thats a good way to win an argument fair play to you, says a lot!

A few more twitter followers so what. He was close to going mainstream. Not anymore.

Depp · 18-04-2017 03:47PM

20Cent wrote: »

A few more twitter followers so what. He was close to going mainstream. Not anymore.

That retard was never anywhere near going mainstream are you serious?

:D even if he was why are you so afraid to debate him you'd rather violence? that gives more legitimacy to his nonsense than engaging him and letting him make a show of himself! when you have to hit someone it just shows you have no argument to counter their points, and with spencer its not exactly hard!

red ears · 18-04-2017 03:51PM

Depp wrote: »

so you're completely obvlivious to how him getting punched strengthened his movement online? but sure hes afraid of being attacked by thugs thats definitely a win! if you think thats a good way to win an argument fair play to you, says a lot!

Its not even true that he won't go out. There was a video of him outside some sort of government building in Washington with a megaphone ranting about something a couple of days ago.

Outlaw Pete · 18-04-2017 03:59PM

Depp wrote: »

That retard was never anywhere near going mainstream are you serious? :D even if he was why are you so afraid to debate him you'd rather violence? that gives more legitimacy to his nonsense than engaging him and letting him make a show of himself!

They're afraid, I believe, because deep down they know how naively idealistic and profoundly illogical most liberal arguments of today are and so the only option they have is to attempt to take away the voice of those that disagree with them. When you have professors at NYU losing the plot at the mere thought of the alt-right speaking on their campus you really have to wonder what the hell is wrong with them.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-mtM-IKPk8

How can they not see the hypocrisy in calling themselves anti-fascists and then demanding that people be prevented from expressing their political views. It's sheer madness but then if that professor is an example of the kind of teachers who have been shaping these students's minds over the last three or four decades then it's not surprising that a good chunk of liberals today as equally as intolerant to opposing views.

Help!!!! · 18-04-2017 04:04PM

20Cent wrote: »

Spence was on a roll. Had a conference in Washington DC inauguration day shouting Heil Trump. Now hes afraid to show his face in public. Win.

No hes not he had a rally a couple of weeks ago

Help!!!! · 18-04-2017 04:10PM

Do Antifa not realise that they are pushing more & more people over to what they consider the right. People have seen them start the violence at peaceful marches & stopping speakers attending meetings. Thats why the fight back happened at Berkeley, people got tired of not being able to march without the fear of getting attacked or called a nazi

Depp · 18-04-2017 04:18PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

No hes not he had a rally a couple of weeks ago

gave this a quick google...video from last week of antifa coming to disrupt his protest against the war on syria!

:D

hatrickpatrick · 18-04-2017 04:19PM

20Cent wrote: »

Anyone who followed gamer gate or the alt right can see misogyny is a big part of it. Just look even in this thread a females looks are part of attacking her.

Gamer gate did attract misogynists, no question, but its initial seed was an anti-feminist backlash against feminists trying to 'change' video games and video game culture. Protip: A newcomer to a group demanding that the entire group culture and behaviour changes is only ever going to piss people off.

It's a real shame that so many unimaginable assholes from the alt right piled in on Gamergate and turned it into a misogynist movement, the original message was lost - stop trying to insert cultural authoritarian propaganda into literally everything, whether its core audience actually wants it or not. It's still a message that needs to be sent, somehow, but Gamegate self-destructed its own credibility in a spectacular fashion.

20Cent · 18-04-2017 04:23PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

No hes not he had a rally a couple of weeks ago

Where he ran away and got a glitter bomb in the face?

Help!!!! · 18-04-2017 04:24PM

Antifa girl lying through her teeth in interview about what happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRjJCDopGD8

Depp · 18-04-2017 04:25PM

20Cent wrote: »

Where he ran away and got a glitter bomb in the face?

but i thought he was afraid to show his face in public?:D your argument is composed entirely of lies and hypocrisy...its as if you're an alt-right run parody account making fun of antifa at this stage!

:D

Help!!!! · 18-04-2017 04:25PM

Depp wrote: »

gave this a quick google...video from last week of antifa coming to disrupt his protest against the war on syria! :D

But he's soooooo scared :rolleyes:

Depp · 18-04-2017 04:26PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Antifa girl lying through her teeth in interview about what happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRjJCDopGD8

of course she did, theres gofundme money to be made!

Help!!!! · 18-04-2017 04:27PM

20Cent wrote: »

Where he ran away and got a glitter bomb in the face?

Jeez fella you've been telling so many lies that you cant keep up with the truth :rolleyes:

Antifa.....the joke that keeps on giving

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