Boundary Extension for City?

Jamie2k9 · 04-04-2017 6:33pm

FrankCummins wrote: »

Will the residents respect new playgrounds, parks etc, one thing I can not understand if Ferrybank is that bad why is there so many Waterford people living there, I know one thing if I was buying a property if conditions were as bad as people make out I wouldn't touch the place with a barge pole as I did when I was going to buy a property in Waterford a couple of years ago Waterford Concill are a disaster well you know it.

Given so large parts are part of Waterford why wouldn't people live there?

FrankCummins · 04-04-2017 7:01pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Given so large parts are part of Waterford why wouldn't people live there?

Why give me an answer like that when I didn't ask that question.

road_high · 04-04-2017 10:12pm

dzilla wrote: »

Waterford means nothing to Fine Gael, their absolute contempt for the city and county during the bad times resulting in a Fine Fail chocolate teapot roaring back back in during the last elections proved that. If anything you'd think they would be trying to get their second seat back, but we are very much on the periphery of their viewpoint.

Get out the violins! Exactly you are small fry. It's a lefty obscure 4 seater that generally votes on Marxist protest lines (See Cullenane and Halligan) along with a token rural FF and FG seat each.
1200 FG members Carlow/Kilkenny vs 200 in Waterford. Parties of government drive policy and decisions obviously, not the divisive bitter likes of Mary Roche and her ilk.

mickmackmcgoo · 04-04-2017 10:23pm

road_high wrote:

Get out the violins! Exactly you are small fry. It's a lefty obscure 4 seater that generally votes on Marxist protest lines (See Cullenane and Halligan) along with a token rural FF and FG seat each. 1200 FG members Carlow/Kilkenny vs 200 in Waterford. Parties of government drive policy and decisions obviously, not the divisive bitter likes of Mary Roche and her ilk.

Your brethren in kilkenny town had no problem electing a sinn fein td last year or did she just get all her votes in carlow! Bobby for Taoiseach you will be telling us next

road_high · 04-04-2017 10:51pm

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Your brethren in kilkenny town had no problem electing a sinn fein td last year or did she just get all her votes in carlow! Bobby for Taoiseach you will be telling us next

Kilkenny town gotta love the predictable bitterness pouring out- let it flow Hun!
Actually yea the shinner did get most of her votes on Carlow now that you say it- there's a very similar demographic to Waterford- full of undereducated, work shy and rage against the system welfare junky types...just like the Halligan and Cullenane voter base. But thankfully she's only one joke out of 5...not 2 out of 4

No opinion on Bobby as I don't vote for him but the man has a damn sight more integrity and respectability about vs any SF or PPP associated loons.

Sosurface · 04-04-2017 11:10pm

lol. You mention a Fianna Fail politician and integrity and pitifully I actualky think you believe it too. Pathetic.

Aquos76 · 04-04-2017 11:44pm

I must say, the ignore feature on boards.ie is dead handy....

JupiterKid · 05-04-2017 2:49am

So politics yet again trumps common sense. This is a very retrograde step. This country is very depressing at times.

Max Powers · 05-04-2017 8:23am

JupiterKid wrote: »

So politics yet again trumps common sense. This is a very retrograde step. This country is very depressing at times.

True...gaa colours and the election of fg next leader trumps common sense for all concerned.
One thing I want to remind people, is Mary butler's disgraceful treason during this process... I want to see her gone/decimated at next election, there will be ff competition.even if you're a rabid ff voter ,a vote for Mary butler is just unthinkable.was willing to give Mary butler chance at start because she probably needed some time to get her TD bearings etc and generally first time TDs keep relatively low profiles but blatant going against potential positives for your constituency is political suicide and makes voting for her impossible.note, I'm not anti ff, have voted for them in past and would consider another ff candidate in next election.she should have resigned immediately after her disgraceful action.

Squidvicious · 05-04-2017 8:46am

JupiterKid wrote: »

So politics yet again trumps common sense. This is a very retrograde step. This country is very depressing at times.

As Irishlad2004 has said, wait and see what happens. It could just be that some solution is arrived at which will allow real cooperation between the two Councils(not forgetting that there is a certain amount of that already). Genuinely, Coveney does seem to be serious about doing something to move away from business as usual. Surely such a solution might keep everyone happy? At the very least, it's worth waiting to hear what he comes up with. Unless, as I've said before, some people on the Waterford side were merely interested in extending the boundary for its own sake and not for the supposed benefits?

Johnboy1951 · 05-04-2017 8:53am

Squidvicious wrote: »

As Irishlad2004 has said, wait and see what happens. It could just be that some solution is arrived at which will allow real cooperation between the two Councils(not forgetting that there is a certain amount of that already). Genuinely, Coveney does seem to be serious about doing something to move away from business as usual. Surely such a solution will keep everyone happy? Unless, as I've said before, some people on the Waterford side were merely interested in extending the boundary for its own sake and not for the supposed benefits? Surely that's not possible, is it?

The problem with that is that there are very few who believe promises from politicians ...... with very good cause historically.

All that Coveney has done is promise something undefined for some time in the future.
More political waffle? Sure sounds like it.

What has he in mind that was not tried previously?
Was the political will not there previously?
What has changed so drastically that this 'promise' from Coveney would be expected to succeed whereas previous attempts failed?

Max Powers · 05-04-2017 8:59am

Squidvicious wrote: »

As Irishlad2004 has said, wait and see what happens. It could just be that some solution is arrived at which will allow real cooperation between the two Councils(not forgetting that there is a certain amount of that already). Genuinely, Coveney does seem to be serious about doing something to move away from business as usual. Surely such a solution might keep everyone happy? At the very least, it's worth waiting to hear what he comes up with. Unless, as I've said before, some people on the Waterford side were merely interested in extending the boundary for its own sake and not for the supposed benefits?

Real cooperation would be of benefit but not gonna happen is it, he pushed it onto the 2 councils to come together and while they can cooperate on playgrounds and applications for events, big stuff that matters like massive shopping centres that should never been built and proper investment from kk council more than likely won't without legal changes,I don't see legal changes being supported by either coveney or kk council.it would be great to see stuff like kk council /area getting on board proper on various things, including the infrastructure investment for north quays or dare I say it, hospital services for SE, you can see though by comments on here and even public speakers some have distinct preference to see investment go elsewhere rather than support Waterford/SE.

Squidvicious · 05-04-2017 9:33am

In fairness, I can see why people would be cynical about politicians. And I can see why some on the blue and white side are disappointed. However, I still say wait and see. John Paul Phelan was quoted in the Kilkenny People saying that the possibility of WCC administering the area in question still can't be ruled out. Coveney himself spoke about something being set up on a statutory basis to oversee cooperation so it's quite possible that this is more than just a fig leaf. Whatever it is, I'd say it'll be enough to ensure that nothing major can be done in the area without reference to WCCC, so no more Ferrybank shopping centres.

Aquos76 · 05-04-2017 9:45am

Squidvicious wrote: »

In fairness, I can see why people would be cynical about politicians. And I can see why some on the blue and white side are disappointed. However, I still say wait and see. John Paul Phelan was quoted in the Kilkenny People saying that the possibility of WCC administering the area in question still can't be ruled out. Coveney himself spoke about something being set up on a statutory basis to oversee cooperation so it's quite possible that this is more than just a fig leaf. Whatever it is, I'd say it'll be enough to ensure that nothing major can be done in the area without reference to WCCC, so no more Ferrybank shopping centres.

What do you mean 'no more' there are already two there both of which have are fully built with full planning permission so if somebody wanted to take a unit like Mr Price has done recently, then WCCC couldn't do anything about it. The likelihood of someone actually going into the main one is slim ok, but I reckon some others may try the smaller centre where Mr Price has taken a chance.

Squidvicious · 05-04-2017 10:02am

Aquos76 wrote: »

What do you mean 'no more' there are already two there both of which have are fully built with full planning permission so if somebody wanted to take a unit like Mr Price has done recently, then WCCC couldn't do anything about it. The likelihood of someone actually going into the main one is slim ok, but I reckon some others may try the smaller centre where Mr Price has taken a chance.

I was a little unclear. What I meant was no new unsuitable developments like the shopping centre being permitted again. I would guess that WCCC may be given an effective veto over large scale developments in the Ferrybank area. I realise that may not do anything about the existing shopping centre.

Johnboy1951 · 05-04-2017 11:11am

Squidvicious wrote: »

In fairness, I can see why people would be cynical about politicians. And I can see why some on the blue and white side are disappointed. However, I still say wait and see. John Paul Phelan was quoted in the Kilkenny People saying that the possibility of WCC administering the area in question still can't be ruled out. Coveney himself spoke about something being set up on a statutory basis to oversee cooperation so it's quite possible that this is more than just a fig leaf. Whatever it is, I'd say it'll be enough to ensure that nothing major can be done in the area without reference to WCCC, so no more Ferrybank shopping centres.

I could see that working if it was solely WCC responsibility.
If there is some cooperative idea involved then I do not see it working at all.
There would have to be an 'effective' change in the border, even though officially the border would not be touched.

Squidvicious · 05-04-2017 11:36am

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I could see that working if it was solely WCC responsibility.
If there is some cooperative idea involved then I do not see it working at all.
There would have to be an 'effective' change in the border, even though officially the border would not be touched.

I'm completely guessing and I suspect that Coveney has no firm plan yet either. However, I think that something will be announced that will not be control or administration by Waterford but will involve more than mere voluntary cooperation. We'll just have to wait and see, I suppose.

Max Powers · 05-04-2017 12:16pm

Squidvicious wrote: »

I'm completely guessing and I suspect that Coveney has no firm plan yet either. However, I think that something will be announced that will not be control or administration by Waterford but will involve more than mere voluntary cooperation. We'll just have to wait and see, I suppose.

I think you are very optimistic in coveneys words Squid, personally, think that the whole thing is dead for another number of years and there will be no concrete cooperation on stuff that matters.

zulutango · 05-04-2017 12:28pm

It's great news for Limerick and the Midwest, in my opinion. If Kilkenny and Waterford and the southeast in general got its act together it could begin to challenge us. This decision sets the southeast back though.

Squidvicious · 05-04-2017 12:38pm

Max Powers wrote: »

I think you are very optimistic in coveneys words Squid, personally, think that the whole thing is dead for another number of years and there will be no concrete cooperation on stuff that matters.

And you may well be right. We've all seen initiatives sink without a trace in the past. There is a chance that he is effectively proposing to square a circle here(obviously impossible) and that there is nothing that can be done outside of full control for one or the other council.

For the record, I'm sorry to say that I am one of those people in the affected area who's quite glad that the extension hasn't gone ahead:o. However, I have no difficulty with effective cooperation between the two councils and I do accept that there is some logic behind the original extension proposal. I also understand the distrust on the WCCC side. Perhaps I'm wrong but I firmly believe that Coveney will come up with something - I don't think that he can simply forget about it as he has made some very clear statements on the subject. It remains to be seen what that something is or how effective that something will be. There will be no boundary extension but I have no doubt that we will be coming back to this issue in the not too distant future.

Aquos76 · 05-04-2017 1:10pm

Living within the affected area also, I'd be happy if the area was administered by Waterford also. I can understand how so many felt that their identity was being threatened. I'm still off the opinion thou that only the people in the affected areas should have been asked to vote on it.

Johnboy1951 · 05-04-2017 1:33pm

Aquos76 wrote: »

Living within the affected area also, I'd be happy if the area was administered by Waterford also. I can understand how so many felt that their identity was being threatened. I'm still off the opinion thou that only the people in the affected areas should have been asked to vote on it.

What would be the deciding factors for those voting, if it happened?

I cannot see county identity being a big one ........ if I live in Kilkenny but was born and raised in Waterford, do you really think I would not consider myself as being from Waterford?
Would I not have a blue & white flag flying when Waterford are playing a GAA game?
To me this county 'identity' thing is a 'red herring'.

So if it were me it would be a decision on who would most likely affect my lifestyle in a positive way.

Anyway I wondered about this from your point of view, as a person living in the affected area.

Can you give an insight?

Max Powers · 05-04-2017 1:34pm

zulutango wrote: »

It's great news for Limerick and the Midwest, in my opinion. If Kilkenny and Waterford and the southeast in general got its act together it could begin to challenge us. This decision sets the southeast back though.

True..if only we had noonan here, you'd be in trouble alright., best of luck to ye anyway.

Aquos76 · 05-04-2017 1:50pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

What would be the deciding factors for those voting, if it happened?

I cannot see county identity being a big one ........ if I live in Kilkenny but was born and raised in Waterford, do you really think I would not consider myself as being from Waterford?
Would I not have a blue & white flag flying when Waterford are playing a GAA game?
To me this county 'identity' thing is a 'red herring'.

So if it were me it would be a decision on who would most likely affect my lifestyle in a positive way.

Anyway I wondered about this from your point of view, as a person living in the affected area.

Can you give an insight?

I was born and bred out on the Cork Road in the heart of Waterford City, I moved over to Rockshire road area of Ferrybank in 1998 and to this day I still class myself as living in Waterford City despite been 50 yards inside the Kilkenny boundary. There are plenty of people around here who consider themselves from kilkenny though mainly because they moved in closer to Waterford from area such as Kilmacow, and Mullinavat. Likewise, there are many people from Waterford who moved over to estates along the Rockshire Rd, Abbey Road and further up by Aldi who are from Waterford City and like me, Id say they still consider themselves living in Waterford.

Its those people from Kilkenny who have an issue with the identity thing as in their heads they still live in co Kilkenny and thats what they want it to remain. I think though the question has to be asked of you is if say you lived in co Waterford all your life and suddenly you were told that you were now living in Co Cork, would you be overly happy with it, I wouldnt. It was my choice to move over here, knowing full well that I was moving into co Kilkenny.

Squidvicious · 05-04-2017 2:09pm

Aquos76 wrote: »

I was born and bred out on the Cork Road in the heart of Waterford City, I moved over to Rockshire road area of Ferrybank in 1998 and to this day I still class myself as living in Waterford City despite been 50 yards inside the Kilkenny boundary. There are plenty of people around here who consider themselves from kilkenny though mainly because they moved in closer to Waterford from area such as Kilmacow, and Mullinavat. Likewise, there are many people from Waterford who moved over to estates along the Rockshire Rd, Abbey Road and further up by Aldi who are from Waterford City and like me, Id say they still consider themselves living in Waterford.

Its those people from Kilkenny who have an issue with the identity thing as in their heads they still live in co Kilkenny and thats what they want it to remain. I think though the question has to be asked of you is if say you lived in co Waterford all your life and suddenly you were told that you were now living in Co Cork, would you be overly happy with it, I wouldnt. It was my choice to move over here, knowing full well that I was moving into co Kilkenny.

That's the key thing. I acknowledge that "identity" cannot be the sole deciding factor but it has annoyed me the way that this is derided by some(though not all). Some of the Kilkenny rhetoric about the extension was unfortunate - there's no need to make comparisons to Hitler etc. However, I've said here before that identity is important - one of the first things that Irish strangers ask each other is "where are you from" and it would just seem strange if I could no longer say, Co. Kilkenny. I get Johnboy's point. However, I think that only applies if you move county. If where you live and grew up is no longer part of your county, then you're not really part of that county any more.

For my part, I'm from a more rural part of the area. Most of my neighbours have lived here for a long time and regard themselves as being from Co. Kilkenny. I'd say that the housing estates would vote fairly solidly to transfer to Waterford if they were asked.

Personally,I did not want the change. However, despite the possibility of it being a wrench for me, if it came to a vote, I just might consider not voting against it if I believed that it would bring real benefits. I cannot argue with the logic behind the change on paper. I just don't believe that it would make any real difference in reality.

road_high · 05-04-2017 2:35pm

zulutango wrote: »

It's great news for Limerick and the Midwest, in my opinion. If Kilkenny and Waterford and the southeast in general got its act together it could begin to challenge us. This decision sets the southeast back though.

If a boundary change elsewhere in the country is all you have to worry about as regards your own region well then...

No new land was being created, nothing new was being created- the south east region is still there with all it's strengths and weaknesses- changing a boundary doesn't improve anything one iota - such a shame though Waterford had to go further and antagonize and pour petrol on any goodwill they would have had in Kilkenny, south Kilkenny especially. Once again they've driven a wedge into the south east with this divisive, insensitive insulting folly of theirs. But of course it'll be blame everyone else but themselves time.

Johnboy1951 · 05-04-2017 2:41pm

road_high wrote: »

If a boundary change elsewhere in the country is all you have to worry about as regards your own region well then...

No new land was being created, nothing new was being created- the south east region is still there with all it's strengths and weaknesses- changing a boundary doesn't improve anything one iota - such a shame though Waterford had to go further and antagonize and pour petrol on any goodwill they would have had in Kilkenny, south Kilkenny especially. Once again they've driven a wedge into the south east with this divisive, insensitive insulting folly of theirs. But of course it'll be blame everyone else but themselves time.

Still looking for reaction I see.

You really must be a very sensitive and easily insulted individual!

Johnboy1951 · 05-04-2017 2:58pm

Aquos76 wrote: »

I was born and bred out on the Cork Road in the heart of Waterford City, I moved over to Rockshire road area of Ferrybank in 1998 and to this day I still class myself as living in Waterford City despite been 50 yards inside the Kilkenny boundary. There are plenty of people around here who consider themselves from kilkenny though mainly because they moved in closer to Waterford from area such as Kilmacow, and Mullinavat. Likewise, there are many people from Waterford who moved over to estates along the Rockshire Rd, Abbey Road and further up by Aldi who are from Waterford City and like me, Id say they still consider themselves living in Waterford.

Its those people from Kilkenny who have an issue with the identity thing as in their heads they still live in co Kilkenny and thats what they want it to remain. I think though the question has to be asked of you is if say you lived in co Waterford all your life and suddenly you were told that you were now living in Co Cork, would you be overly happy with it, I wouldnt. It was my choice to move over here, knowing full well that I was moving into co Kilkenny.

On a similar note, I recall when the city boundary was moved some decades past, a man who was a 'regular' in a pub I frequented, was suddenly now a 'townie' and not living in the county anymore.
He got an amount of good-natured ribbing about it, but he was still a county Waterford man 'til his death.

Regarding your question ..... If I was living in very close proximity to Cork city and most of my life centred around that city, then I would see the logic of having my area administered and developed by the same entity as Cork city.
I could see it being a bit more contentious if the logic for the change was not so apparent.

Squidvicious wrote: »

That's the key thing. I acknowledge that "identity" cannot be the sole deciding factor but it has annoyed me the way that this is derided by some(though not all). Some of the Kilkenny rhetoric about the extension was unfortunate - there's no need to make comparisons to Hitler etc. However, I've said here before that identity is important - one of the first things that Irish strangers ask each other is "where are you from" and it would just seem strange if I could no longer say, Co. Kilkenny. I get Johnboy's point. However, I think that only applies if you move county. If where you live and grew up is no longer part of your county, then you're not really part of that county any more.

For my part, I'm from a more rural part of the area. Most of my neighbours have lived here for a long time and regard themselves as being from Co. Kilkenny. I'd say that the housing estates would vote fairly solidly to transfer to Waterford if they were asked.

Personally,I did not want the change. However, despite the possibility of it being a wrench for me, if it came to a vote, I just might consider not voting against it if I believed that it would bring real benefits. I cannot argue with the logic behind the change on paper. I just don't believe that it would make any real difference in reality.

I guess that is the crux of it for you.

Of course if a vote was to take place then there might be sufficient information available from official sources which would help a resident make an informed decision.
It is indeed unfortunate that some (mostly not resident in the affected area I understand) have to resort to ridiculous speech and posts which do nothing but show them for what they really are.

I really hope your 'faith' in Coveney is well placed.
Given the history of political promises etc I don't hold much hope for it.

Squidvicious · 05-04-2017 3:10pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

On a similar note, I recall when the city boundary was moved some decades past, a man who was a 'regular' in a pub I frequented, was suddenly now a 'townie' and not living in the county anymore.
He got an amount of good-natured ribbing about it, but he was still a county Waterford man 'til his death.

Regarding your question ..... If I was living in very close proximity to Cork city and most of my life centred around that city, then I would see the logic of having my area administered and developed by the same entity as Cork city.
I could see it being a bit more contentious if the logic for the change was not so apparent.

I guess that is the crux of it for you.

Of course if a vote was to take place then there might be sufficient information available from official sources which would help a resident make an informed decision.
It is indeed unfortunate that some (mostly not resident in the affected area I understand) have to resort to ridiculous speech and posts which do nothing but show them for what they really are.

I really hope your 'faith' in Coveney is well placed.
Given the history of political promises etc I don't hold much hope for it.

If I did vote for a change, I know that I would certainly need to have a few whiskeys in me as I'd go into the polling booth;).

JupiterKid · 05-04-2017 6:13pm

Like everything in Ireland, it has all to do with politics and political game playing and point scoring. I'm not anti-Coveney but I really don't think he has Waterford's interests in his set of priorities. Waterford needs a calibre of TD who will lobby for the city and its region, who will fight for the city's progress and will promote the city abroad.

Cities and regions in Ireland compete with each other for finite investment. If no-one in Waterford stands up for the city (instead of feathering their own nests and playing petty immature squabbling) then they should lose their seats pronto. Forget about FG, FF and other party allegiances - forget about who your dad and grandad voted for - Waterford needs a calibre of TD with integrity and vision who will stand up and fight for their city, whatever party they may be a member of.

Why don't TDs put aside their party differences and form a task force with local businesspeople, councillors and experts in driving the city and region forward? This approach has worked well for other cities around the world - why not Waterford?

Max Powers · 05-04-2017 7:01pm

Little point arguing the result at this stage, there is clear wedge as one person said , forcing some sort of cooperation at govt level (won't happen) is best route until the boundary is changed, years down the line.the wedge is there for some reasons, clearly GAA colours is important to kk more than Waterford I'd reckon.Waterford is annoyed by decades of kk undermining Waterford/south half of their own county and not buying into region or getting behind in support of fact that this is largest city, this was seen in teaming up with other counties to actively work against Waterford so cooperation is not gonna happen probably, we have an excellent city manager here, some saying he could work with opposite number, that's not an option, but the kk manager will be undermined by the gaa colour councillors (did you hear bumbling Bobby) and citizens, and we're back to start.

Bards · 06-04-2017 1:02pm

Max Powers wrote: »

Little point arguing the result at this stage, there is clear wedge as one person said , forcing some sort of cooperation at govt level (won't happen) is best route until the boundary is changed, years down the line.the wedge is there for some reasons, clearly GAA colours is important to kk more than Waterford I'd reckon.Waterford is annoyed by decades of kk undermining Waterford/south half of their own county and not buying into region or getting behind in support of fact that this is largest city, this was seen in teaming up with other counties to actively work against Waterford so cooperation is not gonna happen probably, we have an excellent city manager here, some saying he could work with opposite number, that's not an option, but the kk manager will be undermined by the gaa colour councillors (did you hear bumbling Bobby) and citizens, and we're back to start.

Since the Formation of the Republic, Waterford has failed to gain its fair share of investment from successive governments. The latest shambolic political decision to go against the expert group recommendations that was set up by the government to review the boundary, while at the same time arguing that they cant provide 24x7 cardiac care as it goes against a Govt setup expert group on the same subject

Therefore, I think the time has come for Waterford to decide if it wants to remain within the Republic of Ireland or go it alone and become a City State more akin to Singapore etc.

Irishlad2014 · 06-04-2017 2:46pm

http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/home/243544/kilkenny-td-john-paul-phelan-fears-landgrab-by-backdoor.html

Lets wait and see

redlead · 06-04-2017 4:29pm

Bards wrote: »

Since the Formation of the Republic, Waterford has failed to gain its fair share of investment from successive governments. The latest shambolic political decision to go against the expert group recommendations that was set up by the government to review the boundary, while at the same time arguing that they cant provide 24x7 cardiac care as it goes against a Govt setup expert group on the same subject

Therefore, I think the time has come for Waterford to decide if it wants to remain within the Republic of Ireland or go it alone and become a City State more akin to Singapore etc.

As crazy as it sounds, the worst thing that ever happened Waterford was Irish independence. Successive governments have done nothing but undermine a once strong city. We've always done particularly bad under Fine Gael / Labour governments it has to be said. This latest fiasco sums it up, a seriously flawed independent report being used as an excuse to take away 24h cardiac care while another independent report that recommends the city extension (a purely logical decision) is being ignored.

Unfortunately the Irish Political system will simply never change. It's ironic that the county system introduced by the British has taken such a strong hold. It leads to nothing but pig ignorance when it comes to these decisions. We have ourselves to blame too though. A considerable about of people actually go into an election booth and vote for John Deasy time and time again, a lazy useless tool who doesn't even feign interest in serving the Waterford electorate and is the black sheep of the party. No wonder we are easy pickings for them!

You'd wonder why John Halligan is still in government at this stage. He's not going to change anything not being in government but they've done nothing but take a **** on the county since he joined the government so why should he support it. Presumably Mary Butler will toe the party line of ****ing Waterford over also. Wouldn't expect any less of her.

zulutango · 06-04-2017 4:33pm

redlead wrote: »

As crazy as it sounds, the worst thing that ever happened Waterford was Irish independence.

It's exactly the same for Limerick. The new State gave primacy to the county structure, so any city that was on the border of two or three counties (like Limerick and Waterford) suffered greatly.

Squidvicious · 06-04-2017 5:41pm

redlead wrote: »

As crazy as it sounds, the worst thing that ever happened Waterford was Irish independence. .[/quote
I don't entirely buy the cries that the government is anti Waterford but I think that there's a lot of truth in the above and Waterford was hit in the early years. I suspect that Waterford suffered partly because it was seen as being a politically suspect city. Being the only constituency outside of Ulster not to elect a Sinn Fein MP in 1918 didn't help. I think that I'm correct in saying that one or two factories were actually moved out of Waterford post independence.

road_high · 06-04-2017 6:05pm

Bards wrote: »

Since the Formation of the Republic, Waterford has failed to gain its fair share of investment from successive governments. The latest shambolic political decision to go against the expert group recommendations that was set up by the government to review the boundary, while at the same time arguing that they cant provide 24x7 cardiac care as it goes against a Govt setup expert group on the same subject

Therefore, I think the time has come for Waterford to decide if it wants to remain within the Republic of Ireland or go it alone and become a City State more akin to Singapore etc.

Off ya's go- it'll save the rest of the state an absolute fortune in social transfers...oh and the rest of the state will be taking back all regional/national facilities-invest it in somewhere grateful and productive -you can go fund your own :pac::pac:

road_high · 06-04-2017 6:08pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Still looking for reaction I see.

You really must be a very sensitive and easily insulted individual!

Not at all...but I know how you lot are and just love a good moan/protest for no reason and more reasons to feel downtrodden...you should all get endless mileage out of this one.

Johnboy1951 · 06-04-2017 6:12pm

Bards wrote: »

Since the Formation of the Republic, Waterford has failed to gain its fair share of investment from successive governments. The latest shambolic political decision to go against the expert group recommendations that was set up by the government to review the boundary, while at the same time arguing that they cant provide 24x7 cardiac care as it goes against a Govt setup expert group on the same subject

Therefore, I think the time has come for Waterford to decide if it wants to remain within the Republic of Ireland or go it alone and become a City State more akin to Singapore etc.

road_high wrote: »

Off ya's go- it'll save the rest of the state an absolute fortune in social transfers...oh and the rest of the state will be taking back all regional/national facilities-invest it in somewhere grateful and productive -you can go fund your own :pac::pac:

Yeah Bards, that be the thing ...... and reclaim the area on the other side of the river that was Waterford City while at it.
That should sort it!

Harry Palmr · 06-04-2017 6:18pm

I've often thought turning Waterford County (not just the City) into an independent "brass plate, dodgy bank account, zero tax" type island state would be quite a good idea. The island could be created as there is quite a short distance between the Blackwater and the Araglin. Get them diggers digging

gw80 · 06-04-2017 6:30pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Still looking for reaction I see.

You really must be a very sensitive and easily insulted individual!

Ah dont mind roadhigh, he is just a fantisist, he has this wet dream about Kilkenny being some sort of bustling metropolis and second city to Dublin, he thinks because Kilkenny is in Leinster and Dublin is in Leinster that the good people of dublin should reach out to there brothers in Kilkenny and make it so, its quite nauseating in fact.
He doesn't even live in the area, and wouldn't give two ****s about the people in south Kilkenny if it meant Waterford went without

Dum_Dum · 06-04-2017 8:30pm

The boundary extension report was written on toilet paper, but the cardiac care report was written in stone; so people of Waterford - has the penny dropped yet?

Max Powers · 06-04-2017 8:43pm

Dum_Dum wrote: »

The boundary extension report was written on toilet paper, but the cardiac care report was written in stone; so people of Waterford - has the penny dropped yet?

Your right, we should have kept Coffey instead of lads like halligan and deasy who have no hope of achieving anything for Waterford.

Sosurface · 06-04-2017 10:14pm

Max Powers wrote: »

Your right, we should have kept Coffey instead of lads like halligan and deasy who have no hope of achieving anything for Waterford.

Yeah a fantastic alternative to one Fine Gael waster would be another Fine Gael waster. Why are you so keen on the bould Paudie anyway. It's a bit weird tbh. Any chance you get you mention him. He slippin ya a few bob from the party warchest?

Max Powers · 07-04-2017 10:15am

Sosurface wrote: »

Yeah a fantastic alternative to one Fine Gael waster would be another Fine Gael waster. Why are you so keen on the bould Paudie anyway. It's a bit weird tbh. Any chance you get you mention him. He slippin ya a few bob from the party warchest?

I wish,I need all the money I can get..:-).
No,I just think we made a monumental f-up not keeping him, he achieved a fair bit over his last few years so he was far from a waster for us, and i have doubt we would be better placed on things if we had a proper junior minister in place/main party.I find it incredible that people fail to see this and vote for the table bangers.
Your and many people on here attitude from posts is they're all useless, especially the ones from main parties,I think people are duped by the likes of halligan, Murphy, Wallace who give all the what you want to hear and tearing into those making decisions,.you and others then repeat the simplified stuff its not a runner, look how useless halligan and other politicians have been since last election.
I'll put next sentence on separate line as its so important if people want to have a proper think on issues that affect us....
be aware of people offering simple solutions to complex problems.

Suryavarman · 07-04-2017 8:29pm

road_high wrote: »

From a political standpoint it makes sense...Waterford is far left bordering Marxist in its politics (evident here daily). For FG to sacrifice a sure seat in Carlow Kilkenny to appease that element made no sense for them whatsoever.

Far left? Pull the other one. The last Government had two FG TDs and a Labour TD from Waterford.

Max Powers · 07-04-2017 8:49pm

Suryavarman wrote: »

Far left? Pull the other one. The last Government had two FG TDs and a Labour TD from Waterford.

I wouldn't bother....it's pathetically sad but road high is consistently on here spitting his vitriol directed at Waterford, he came on here with the gaa usual nonsense and quickly adapted to just bad mouthing when he knew all common sense was against him...and even still, after the issue is over, talking rubbish like the drivel you responded to.

fuzzy dunlop · 09-04-2017 5:44pm

Max Powers wrote: »

Suryavarman wrote: »

Far left? Pull the other one. The last Government had two FG TDs and a Labour TD from Waterford.

I wouldn't bother....it's pathetically sad but road high is consistently on here spitting his vitriol directed at Waterford, he came on here with the gaa usual nonsense and quickly adapted to just bad mouthing when he knew all common sense was against him...and even still, after the issue is over, talking rubbish like the drivel you responded to.

This type of bigoted fool is nothing to worry about. It is a typical 1950's rural mentality that doesn't realize its 2017. History is and always will be against them. Don't say he is on about Marxism now:) . I saw a good one on FB the other day where a friend of mine inadvertently shared a fake news story about the Red Cross acknowledging that the Holocaust was a hoax. The source of this breaking story? - The Kilkenny Journal! The same Kilkenny Journal that like Road High has a sick obsession with all things of the left. Commies and Jews are the order of the day.

Squidvicious · 25-04-2017 1:56am

Kilkenny People currently has an article about serious concerns in Kilkenny County Council that Minister Coveney will grant administrative powers to Waterford County Council over a section of Co. Kilkenny. I'm sorry that I can't provide a link at the moment but if you Google Kilkenny People, boundary and administrative, you should find it. It tallies with my general impression of what Coveney was planning, though I must admit that I didn't expect him to go so far as to give full control to WCC.

Something like that would make sense in many ways. Presently, he can't afford to press the button on the issue with a leadership battle looming. What is being reported in the Kilkenny People would mean that the issue would be kicked to touch until after the leadership election while nerves are soothed on the Kilkenny side in the meantime. However, he seems to me to be determined to do something on the issue and he would see this as a good compromise i.e. the area remains nominally part of Kilkenny but WCC gets effective control.

Road-Hog · 25-04-2017 6:51am

Squidvicious wrote: »

Kilkenny People currently has an article about serious concerns in Kilkenny County Council that Minister Coveney will grant administrative powers to Waterford County Council over a section of Co. Kilkenny. I'm sorry that I can't provide a link at the moment but if you Google Kilkenny People, boundary and administrative, you should find it. It tallies with my general impression of what Coveney was planning, though I must admit that I didn't expect him to go so far as to give full control to WCC.

Something like that would make sense in many ways. Presently, he can't afford to press the button on the issue with a leadership battle looming. What is being reported in the Kilkenny People would mean that the issue would be kicked to touch until after the leadership election while nerves are soothed on the Kilkenny side in the meantime. However, he seems to me to be determined to do something on the issue and he would see this as a good compromise i.e. the area remains nominally part of Kilkenny but WCC gets effective control.

Scary times indeed for ethnic Kilkenny folk. Ferrybank and environs will be further forgotten about/ignored by the WCCC

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