BE strike [Read 1st post before posting]

end of the road wrote: »

it doesn't matter what you all will think or conclude. O'Leary has said he knew nothing of the action therefore he didn't. he is innocent until proven guilty.

Does matter ,I'm afraid.

Big mistake by OLeary and Noone who are losing this one badly.

Not too many people are too worried about the minutiae of this, only the big picture.

Bottom line is that this event of wildcat stuff happened, who orchestrated it it is academic, the public have given their verdict.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Does matter ,I'm afraid.

Big mistake by OLeary and Noone who are losing this one badly.

Not too many people are too worried about the minutiae of this, only the big picture.

Bottom line is that this event of wildcat stuff happened, who orchestrated it it is academic, the public have given their verdict.

the public's verdict doesn't matter as it is wrong and even if it was right which it isn't it doesn't matter. he didn't know of the action.

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

It's the Sun but:

Sorry but there is no "it's the Sun but"

The only true thing they print is the TV schedules

trellheim wrote: »

1) I said earlier that this for the unions is a semistate war ... let's put that aside for a mo.

2) if you ignore that point ( and lets assume these busdrivers have partners and children where money has to pay bills ) I'm not entirely sure I can see my way to a good ending for drivers here

i couldn't see one for LUAS and they faked the goalposts to fix it
but BE is a different case - one bus is the same as another - and it looks like operators will jump in no probs - so low cost of entry ( PSOs could be up and running fairly sharp in the event )

What do the drivers think will happen here to make this work ?

Someone has said a driver should do an AMA but I can't see it not ending in flames

well considering the tendering program has been going on for a couple of years now and to the best of my knowledge nothing awarded, i don't think any operator will be "stepping in sharpish" myself.

No buses here in West Clare for the last 8 days.

Also, what about people with travel passes?

pilly wrote: »

You do know the strike hasn't been going on for 8 weeks?

You know well I had made a typo.

8 days*

Lady is a tramp wrote: »

The Bus Eireann workers were completely in the wrong to do what they did.

But I also think the Dublin Bus and Irish Rail drivers who went along with it should face serious consequences for their part in it.

What does this mean, if they refuse to cross any picket line to get to their place of work, whether it's anything to do with them or not? What's to stop this becoming a new Irish phenomenon, where employees of any random company can choose to hold the country to ransom by effectively shutting down public transport at will?

The DB and IR drivers have a massive responsibility to a lot of people, and they really let themselves and all of us down yesterday. There were huge consequences of their actions for workers, students, families, children, patients, people all over the country. It was very unfair of them, and I'm completely disgusted to be honest.

I realise they didn't create the situation, and (supposedly) had no advance warning of what was to happen. But every driver who allowed themselves to be so easily bullied into letting so many people down - they made a really bad judgement call, in my opinion, and should absolutely be sanctioned for it.

I hope some sort of action is taken to ensure they'll do the right thing, should a situation like this ever arise again. Rather than acting like pathetic sheep, like they did yesterday.

It is of some note,that in the Bus Atha Cliath situation,Drivers and other grades DID actually report for work,with some drivers managing to leave their depots before sufficient picketers arrived to present a contrived,yet very real risk of incident/accident at a Depot Gate.

One BAC depot did operate virtually a normal service after an initial delay.

Regarding your call for "serious consequences" for those Staff who were prevented from working,BAC will NOT be paying Drivers who did not take their vehicles out,and neither will the Trades Unions be paying any Dispute Pay to those BAC staff.

Does this satisfy,even initially,your desire for retribution ?

NB: I would suggest that when the issue of refusal to pay Drivers is discussed,a defence of Health & Safety or Road Traffic Act will be brought forward,however,this will have to be deliberated on through the normal IR channels.

You can be assured that there was no "Supposedly" required,in your line about advance warning of the picketing..It was TOTALLY unflagged,even within canteens and other gossip shops...anybody in BAC who may have known about it,kept 100% Schtum.

It should be borne in mind that SIPTU had already decided to ballot it's BAC members on the issue of supportive action,with meeetings scheduled for the 31st to discuss the scheduling and operation of the ballot.

However,the strictures of the Industrial Relations Act/s remain very much uppermost in Trade Union minds,with little doubt in anybodys mind that Wildcat/Subsidiary/Unofficial picketers are exposing themselves to significant Legal repercussions by their actions.

However after all of the dust has settled,it is Minister Varadakar who has made the most telling remarks regarding this strike...not once,but twice yesterday....

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/bus-eireann-leo-varadkar-suggests-allowing-firm-to-fold-446697.html

Naturally enough,the focus was on his "Let it fold" remarks,however few bothered to read the article to the end,where they would have found the meat.....

Meanwhile, Mr Varadkar twice suggested yesterday Mr Ross should consider putting in place a facilitator to address the Bus Éireann stand-off on condition the strikes are called off. In a media doorstep and during the RTÉ interview, he noted the move previously worked when he was transport minister in 2013, and could potentially be used again.

Mister Ross will,of course,have to allow a decent interval,but it is pretty likely that the Facilitator route will yield results in what is,by any standards a rather strange dispute.

How much funds will the NTA have available to pay out on new PSO routes if BE goes under. Who makes the decision as too what routes will recommence first or be saved at all if BE go under. How soon will the NTA and PO be able to get new routes established.

pilly wrote: »

You do realise you've now become the equivalent of a 4 year old child saying "yeah but no".?

And if you thought being a hypocrite, endlessly stating opinion as fact,making ridiculous claims and straw manning weren't bad enough.
He's advocating using violence to make sure no one crosses a picket line on the thread in AH.
Don't know why this behaviour is being tolerated.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Yes, I agree.

I think O'Leary went bald headed for the the taxpayer and Noone thought he was back in the baggage hall in Aer Lingus, where anything was possible.

These lads were buoyed up by people like Brid Smith who despite sucking deeply on the taxpayers teat, seems to think that screwing those who 'pay for things'is the way forward, and there was always unlimited resources from the hard pressed taxpayer to 'pay for everything' while struggling themselves.

Hopefully Ross will continue to protect the taxpayer from these opportunists and common sense will prevail.

Ross protecting the taxpayer?

Laughable. Two years ministerial service and he's another leech on the taxpayer.

Mulbert wrote:

Wexford Bus were running the Waterford to Dublin route down the east coast, via bray, gorey, enniscorthy, new ross or via tullow.What was the No 5 BE route. Then it stopped after about 2 months and now you have to go via Wexford. Why is this, is what I'm wondering?

Number 5 was Waterford, New Ross tullow Dublin wasn't it?

Was always BE, they moved the end of it to New Ross & then pulled it.

I never heard of a direct Wexford Bus for Waterford to Dublin. Always been via Wexford, with a change there.

They only started the Waterford route about 2 years ago. Dublin been going longer.