BE strike [Read 1st post before posting]

Jamie2k9 · 01-04-2017 12:31PM

L1011 wrote: »

Both IR and DB are to sue the NBRU for lost revenue and week injunctions it appears.

about time, just a week to late,

WomanSkirtFan8 · 01-04-2017 12:32PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

about time, just a week to late,

perhaps but yeah great to see IE and DB finally using some legal guts here. Hope they both win this.;)

nuac · 01-04-2017 12:35PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Don't be confusing people losing money on shares with those companies being privatised. Look at how they're doing now as private companies, still operating without the crutch of state aid.

Yes, I remember back approx 1961 you had to wait at least six months for a phone. I experienced that delay even tho' within shouting distance of the local phone exchange ( post office ) and no new poles etc required.

Jamie2k9 · 01-04-2017 12:40PM

StreetLight wrote: »

From a very reliable contact in Dublin Bus, I can say that yesterday at one Dublin Bus depot around 95 percent of drivers passed the picket to report for work.

About 20 buses managed to leave before the picketers stood in front of the gate and blocked any more from driving out.

Good to know but I will reserve judgment until the ballot shows shows a rejection of strike action this month.

pilly · 01-04-2017 12:46PM

WomanSkirtFan8 wrote:

perhaps but yeah great to see IE and DB finally using some legal guts here. Hope they both win this.

I haven't seen this reported anywhere?

n97 mini · 01-04-2017 12:54PM

pilly wrote: »

I haven't seen this reported anywhere?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-bus-irish-rail-to-sue-nbru-over-wildcat-strike-1.3032720

murphaph · 01-04-2017 01:11PM

nuac wrote: »

Yes, I remember back approx 1960 you had to wait at least six months for a phone. I experienced that delay even tho' within shouting distance of the local phone exchange ( post office ) and no new poles etc required.

And then you had to rent the phone itself! Ah yeah...State run monopolies are great so they are.

JCX BXC · 01-04-2017 01:13PM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Good to know but I will reserve judgment until the ballot shows shows a rejection of strike action this month.

Will BE even be there when the ballot on DB and IR happens?

Jamie2k9 · 01-04-2017 02:20PM

http://www.newstalk.com/NBRU-warns-that-wildcat-Bus-ireann-strikes-could-happen-again

The union also says that, despite reports, they have not received notice of legal action from those companies looking to recoup lost profits.

Mebuntu · 01-04-2017 02:28PM

He (O'Leary) explained: "My union was not involved, I had no knowledge of it.

Then why doesn't he confirm that the members of "his" union who carried out this non-approved action have been expelled. They are easily identified.

end of the road · 01-04-2017 02:48PM

Lady is a tramp wrote: »

The Bus Eireann workers were completely in the wrong to do what they did.

But I also think the Dublin Bus and Irish Rail drivers who went along with it should face serious consequences for their part in it.

What does this mean, if they refuse to cross any picket line to get to their place of work, whether it's anything to do with them or not? What's to stop this becoming a new Irish phenomenon, where employees of any random company can choose to hold the country to ransom by effectively shutting down public transport at will?

The DB and IR drivers have a massive responsibility to a lot of people, and they really let themselves and all of us down yesterday. There were huge consequences of their actions for workers, students, families, children, patients, people all over the country. It was very unfair of them, and I'm completely disgusted to be honest.

I realise they didn't create the situation, and (supposedly) had no advance warning of what was to happen. But every driver who allowed themselves to be so easily bullied into letting so many people down - they made a really bad judgement call, in my opinion, and should absolutely be sanctioned for it.

I hope some sort of action is taken to ensure they'll do the right thing, should a situation like this ever arise again. Rather than acting like pathetic sheep, like they did yesterday.

so be it. they didn't wish to cross the picket, they didn't cross. no consiquences to face. nobody was bullied. this nonsense of people being bullied or brainwashed or all else is just that. nonsense. they did the right thing in their view by not crossing the picket and if they believe that to be the right thing then they did the right thing.

murphaph wrote: »

Well this was a public order matter for the Gardaí to deal with but they were probably too busy entering fake data into PULSE.

there was no public order issue. the gardai don't have the resources to be dealing with things people simply disagree with. the resources have to go on actual criminality.

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Mary Lou using this situation to show off her ignorance once again.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-bus-irish-rail-to-sue-nbru-over-wildcat-strike-1.3032720

We desperately need a competent media that can point out the BE operates these routes because they are paid to and have a monopoly.
Not because they are some sort of charitable organisation.

there is nothing wrong with the media in this instant. mary lou is simply stating what many people know. you not agreeing with that is perfectly fine but in my view there is nothing wrong with what she said.

Mebuntu wrote: »

He (O'Leary) explained: "My union was not involved, I had no knowledge of it.

Then why doesn't he confirm that the members of "his" union who carried out this non-approved action have been expelled. They are easily identified.

because it's between the union and the members concerned. i completely believe that O'Leary actually didn't know what was happening.

jackofalltrades · 01-04-2017 03:08PM

end of the road wrote: »

there is nothing wrong with the media in this instant. mary lou is simply stating what many people know. you not agreeing with that is perfectly fine but in my view there is nothing wrong with what she said.

So you're OK with politicians making factually incorrect statements and with the media not challenging them?

monument · 01-04-2017 04:10PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

So you're OK with politicians making factually incorrect statements and with the media not challenging them?

What are you referring to?

From the link you posted, this is what Mary Lou McDonald said:

Later, Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald said what Mr Ross and Mr Varadkar needed “to take account of is the service Bus Éireann provides for our citizens along non-profit-making routes where private operators will not go”.

“Are these people to be sacrificed for the Government’s privatisation agenda?” she asked.

GM228 · 01-04-2017 04:15PM

"Bus Eireann: Leo Varadkar suggests allowing firm to fold"

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/bus-eireann-leo-varadkar-suggests-allowing-firm-to-fold-446697.html

Graham · 01-04-2017 04:16PM

end of the road wrote: »

so be it. they didn't wish to cross the picket, they didn't cross. no consiquences to face. nobody was bullied. this nonsense of people being bullied or brainwashed or all else is just that.

you've conveniently ignored the fact that a private operator was forced to withdraw service in the face of the actions you like to pretend aren't happening.

devnull · 01-04-2017 04:19PM

monument wrote: »

What are you referring to?

From the link you posted, this is what Mary Lou McDonald said:

I think what he is saying (at least as I understood) that the reason that BE serves these routes is they have a contract to do so, given subvention, free buses etc, private operators until now have not had that chance etc and PSO routes are protected from competition etc.

I wouldn't say what Mary-Lou says is incorrect, however in my view at least she's making it out to sound like BE provides services like that because it wants to and privates don't because they don't want to, when it's not quite as simple as that.

eeguy · 01-04-2017 04:23PM

GM228 wrote: »

"Bus Eireann: Leo Varadkar suggests allowing firm to fold"

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/bus-eireann-leo-varadkar-suggests-allowing-firm-to-fold-446697.html

Pretty much the death knell of BE then. The government wants it to fold, the people couldn't care less and the management have no other choice. Would there be a general strike called for by the unions? Seems like O Leary was distancing himself from the drivers over their behaviour.
Even if there was would it hold?

kildarecommuter · 01-04-2017 04:32PM

GM228 wrote: »

"Bus Eireann: Leo Varadkar suggests allowing firm to fold"

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/bus-eireann-leo-varadkar-suggests-allowing-firm-to-fold-446697.html

Disagree and don't like FG but at least he's honest about what Govt policy really is.

bk · 01-04-2017 04:42PM

nuac wrote: »

Yes, I remember back approx 1961 you had to wait at least six months for a phone. I experienced that delay even tho' within shouting distance of the local phone exchange ( post office ) and no new poles etc required.

Two years for my parents and they were within a stones throw of the biggest exchange in the area!

kildarecommuter · 01-04-2017 04:44PM

bk wrote: »

Two years for my parents and they were within a stones throw of the biggest exchange in the area!

And in later years it became telecom eireann a semi state and worked quite well.
And then it was privatised ....

weldoninhio · 01-04-2017 04:49PM

monument wrote: »

What are you referring to?

From the link you posted, this is what Mary Lou McDonald said:

Private operators are not allowed go on PSO routes. There was never any tendering process, they were given directly to BE. So Mary Lou, if not lying, is grossly uninformed.

Jamie2k9 · 01-04-2017 04:57PM

eeguy wrote: »

Pretty much the death knell of BE then. The government wants it to fold, the people couldn't care less and the management have no other choice. Would there be a general strike called for by the unions? Seems like O Leary was distancing himself from the drivers over their behaviour.
Even if there was would it hold?

No they don't, they just put more pressure on the union to resolve the row. For the first time in 8 days yesterday both BE and unions admitted they needed to talk.

Disagree and don't like FG but at least he's honest about what Govt policy really is.

Only thing he is honest about is that the public will get by just fine with or without BE. Chances are he will be the boss soon so unions better get used to a hard approach.

end of the road · 01-04-2017 05:03PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Private operators are not allowed go on PSO routes. There was never any tendering process, they were given directly to BE. So Mary Lou, if not lying, is grossly uninformed.

i disagree. i find mary lou very informed and not to be someone who engages in lying. if i thought otherwise i'd be calling her out on it.

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

No they don't, they just put more pressure on the union to resolve the row. For the first time in 8 days yesterday both BE and unions admitted they needed to talk.

Only thing he is honest about is that the public will get by just fine with or without BE. Chances are he will be the boss soon so unions better get used to a hard approach.

only some will get by, those who have a second operator or who could use a rail service instead. those who rely on be will struggle but they don't matter to government.

Jamie2k9 · 01-04-2017 05:04PM

It's the Sun but:

BUS BANKERS Bus Eireann staff paid 66 per cent more than the salaries of drivers in the private sector. Irish Sun analysis shows that overtime and supplements mean the drivers can total €48,000 a year

https://www.thesun.ie/news/807270/bus-eireann-staff-paid-66-per-cent-more-than-the-salaries-of-drivers-in-the-private-sector/

Jamie2k9 · 01-04-2017 05:06PM

end of the road wrote: »

i disagree. i find mary lou very informed and not to be someone who engages in lying. if i thought otherwise i'd be calling her out on it.

only some will get by, those who have a second operator or who could use a rail service instead. those who rely on be will struggle but they don't matter to government.

Private operators would expand rapidly to take over many commercial and PSO services. Chances are NTA could offer more PSO services because tendering costs would be much lower than BE.

jackofalltrades · 01-04-2017 05:14PM

monument wrote: »

What are you referring to?

Private operators would be more than happy to bid for PSO routes if they were able.

And nobody is being "sacrificed for the Government’s privatisation agenda".

Stephen15 · 01-04-2017 05:22PM

Could Dublin Bus and Irish Rail seek an injunction to prevent official action or would it just be to prevent these rolling strikes

JCX BXC · 01-04-2017 05:28PM

end of the road wrote: »

i disagree. i find mary lou very informed and not to be someone who engages in lying. if i thought otherwise i'd be calling her out on it.

I'll have to stop you here, Mary Lou is a shouty outraged politican that doesn't really care about whether she says is particularly right or accurate, as long as it advances her profile. She advertises going against/ignoring a democratically held referendum and then accuses every other walking soul of corruption among other hypocrisy.

Don't take anything Mary Lou says at face value.

Mebuntu · 01-04-2017 05:50PM

end of the road wrote: »

because it's between the union and the members concerned.

No it's not. The thousands of people across the country who were affected by Friday's rogue union members' illegal action should be told that they have been expelled and will be a lesson for anyone else who is thinking about doing it. If there is no sanction for people who break the law they will do it again. If O'Leary is as annoyed (and innocent) as he claims he should hide nothing and make an example of them. Otherwise, we will all conclude that, at heart, he wants this type of carry-on to continue because he thinks it will further his cause.

end of the road · 01-04-2017 06:10PM

Mebuntu wrote: »

No it's not. The thousands of people across the country who were affected by Friday's rogue union members' illegal action should be told that they have been expelled and will be a lesson for anyone else who is thinking about doing it. If there is no sanction for people who break the law they will do it again. If O'Leary is as annoyed (and innocent) as he claims he should hide nothing and make an example of them. Otherwise, we will all conclude that, at heart, he wants this type of carry-on to continue because he thinks it will further his cause.

it doesn't matter what you all will think or conclude. O'Leary has said he knew nothing of the action therefore he didn't. he is innocent until proven guilty.

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