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If the Nazis won WW2...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    The Palestinian's would be free, there would be no Zionist state destabilising the middle east and America would not be a puppet bully fcuking up the world for everyone else.

    In short, globally speaking, we could not possibly be in a worse state than we are now.

    So you assume that people would just assimilate and countries wouldn't rebel and fight back.

    Western Europe could easily be like the Middle East.

    Politics etc is not as straight forward as you make out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭EndaHonesty


    murpho999 wrote: »
    So you assume that people would just assimilate and countries wouldn't rebel and fight back.

    Western Europe could easily be like the Middle East.

    Politics etc is not as straight forward as you make out.

    I didn't assume anything actually.

    Only one thing is certain if "the Nazis won WW2" the Zionist influence would be much less significant.

    Most likely insignificant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    glaswegian wrote: »
    don't recall ireland joining in the fight against the fascists,do recall them making the nazi's quite comfortable in the curragh camp though,so herr hitler would probably look rather kindly on this wee country.
    I used to live in Glasgow. Some mouth breather heard my accent in a student bar and started the above rubbish.

    He also claimed that the Irish were refueling German U-boats during WWII. This is a common belief among idiots in Glasgow.

    I pointed out that would have been a breach of Ireland's neutrality.

    He said it wasn't the government, it was the IRA.

    I informed him that the Irish government were executing members of the IRA who attempted to collaborate with the Germans. Any refueling station would be easily noticed, the IRA men captured and hanged.

    He then claimed that it wasn't the IRA in the south, it was Republicans in Northern Ireland.

    This Glaswegian moron believed Kriegsmarine U-boats were docking in the fcuking UK during WWII to refuel.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Palestinian's would be free, there would be no Zionist state destabilising the middle east and America would not be a puppet bully fcuking up the world for everyone else.

    In short, globally speaking, we could not possibly be in a worse state than we are now.

    Well, the Jewish people would be all dead.

    So there would be less trouble in the Middle East.

    It's a bit like saying if all black people were wiped out, there'd be fewer problems in Africa. Would that really mean the world would be in a better state? I don't think so...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭EndaHonesty


    Well, the Jewish people would be all dead.

    So there would be less trouble in the Middle East.

    It's a bit like saying if all black people were wiped out, there'd be fewer problems in Africa. Would that really mean the world would be in a better state? I don't think so...

    It's nothing like that actually.

    I'm specifically talking about the Zionist state that was created in Palestine AFTER the war.

    That Zionist state has done more damage since WW2 than Hitler did during it, imo.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's nothing like that actually.

    I'm specifically talking about the Zionist state that was created in Palestine AFTER the war.

    Oh you think the Nazis would have dropped the Final Solution if they had won.

    And you were saying that the Jewish people merely wouldn't have had the political power to form a nation.

    Yeah, sure you were...sure you were...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    Nazism was so extreme that even had they won there'd have been guerilla warfare and resistance all over the place, so it'd probably have been tightly bound authoritarianism trying to contain chaos everywhere from Limerick to Moscow.

    They didn't have any real racial beef with us or the Brits so there'd have been puppet regimes in Dublin and London and any Jews and probably Travellers would have been shopped in.

    Apparently as late as 1942/43 the U.S.A were planning for a bipolar U.S/Nazi dominated world until racism and hubris got the better of the Nazi's on the Eastern Front, there'd also have probably been a nuclear arms race and cold war between the U.S and the Nazi's, with the CIA stoking all sorts of unrest in Europe to take advantage of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    ...instead of the Russians what would Europe be like now? It's a question no one cares about but it's interesting none the less.

    I'd say it would not have been as bad as it may appear. 20 years down the road we would probably have regained democracy. Hitler would have died naturally in that time anyway. Also the Germans are great at everything, so our country would be better today, more disciplined i'd say and less wreckless.

    On a different note in recent years more and more WW2 footage in documentaries has had color added to it. Saw one of these last night. Don't know how they do the editing but it looks awesome and sad :(

    Brings a new perspective.
    So much lies and propaganda have now been spread about WW2 in Europe that most people, even though thinking they know it all are really completely ignorant on the subject.

    Actually I agree with your post it shows some understanding.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭EndaHonesty


    Oh you think the Nazis would have dropped the Final Solution if they had won.

    And you were saying that the Jewish people merely wouldn't have had the political power to form a nation.

    Yeah, sure you were...sure you were...

    Whatever Conor. Your outrage on demand is tiresome, get over yourself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,972 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Countries like Spain, Portugal, UK, Ireland, the nordic states, et al would have been largely OK - and France would likely have been handed back most of its sovereignty apart from a few annexed regions, same for Belgium, Holland, etc. As long as Western Europe played political ball with the Germans, they would've been mostly fine.

    However they would have looked to have Jews detained and deported from every country in Europe - and possibly expected some level of 'volunteer labour' for Germany from certain countries (France in particular) like during the war which meant poor conditions, low pay, long hours.

    Really though, it would have been particularly horrific for the entirety of central and eastern europe as well as the vast Soviet Union, where they planned to starve about 50 million people, uproot countless millions of others and dump them as far east as possible, and ultimately reduce the remaining populations to nations of uneducated slaves whose sole purpose was to supply Germany with it's every need.

    Really, what did happen in reality was the lesser of two evils. Stalin had already done most of his murdering by the time WW2 rolled around. Hitler had barely gotten started on the larger plan by 1945.

    Pretty much the way it was horrific for the natives in the Americas, but even with a so-called free press and democratic system that genocide isn't acknowledged so the genocide carried out by the Germans would've been covered up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    ...instead of the Russians what would Europe be like now?
    .

    The allies won ww2. Russia didn't win it on its own.

    To be so ignorant of the other nations and people who died is ****ing disgusting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭farmerwifelet


    Play Wolfenstein The New Order set in the 60's after Germany wins the war - for a game it has some pretty hard hitting moments. Every so often the game reminds you just how truly evil the nazi regime was. The experiments on people, the gas chambers, babies taken away for having club foot. The stasi looking for excuses for people to disappear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    Play Wolfenstein The New Order set in the 60's after Germany wins the war - for a game it has some pretty hard hitting moments. Every so often the game reminds you just how truly evil the nazi regime was. The experiments on people, the gas chambers, babies taken away for having club foot. The stasi looking for excuses for people to disappear.

    The stasi was a communist east German invention. The gestapo and SS are what your looking for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭farmerwifelet


    kona wrote: »
    The stasi was a communist east German invention. The gestapo and SS are what your looking for.


    yes you are right the gestapo- in a part of the game they are not directly referred to. You overhear a conversation about them. It is creepy as hell. It is so sickening to think of what happened.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Whatever Conor. Your outrage on demand is tiresome, get over yourself.

    Guy swearing and advocating the Final Solution for a better world and an end Zionism and US domination accuses other poster of outrage.

    This, Enda, is laughter...
    The Palestinian's would be free, there would be no Zionist state destabilising the middle east and America would not be a puppet bully fcuking up the world for everyone else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭EndaHonesty


    Guy swearing and advocating the Final Solution for a better world and an end Zionism and US domination accuses other poster of outrage.

    This, Enda, is laughter...

    Swearing and advocating the final solution?!

    As usual Conor you have added 2+2 and come up with 42.

    Your outrage on demand is as funny as your amateur legal opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    . 20 years down the road we would probably have regained democracy.

    Not a hope.
    Nazi-ideology is the exact opposite of democracy.

    You may be looking at a sub-set of local dictators subservient to Berlin perhaps...with some allowance for differing local cultures, but that's about as "democratic" as it would have gotten.


    To quote the doctor from Captain America:
    A lot of people seem to forget that the first country that the Nazis occupied was their own.

    It took them less than ten years to transform a culturally rich and diverse country into a police state where whole families could end up in concentration camp for just telling a joke.

    What they could have done in 70 years to all of Europe doesn't bear even thinking about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Big co-operation given by Ireland, took in evacuees from London, allowed mining right up to a few miles off the coast, passed on info on u-boat sightings, and meteorological info vital in D Day landings, released British soldiers while interned Germans etc. etc.

    Never heard that one before. I think you've been influenced by a lot of recent revisionism/alternative facts in the media.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Swearing and advocating the final solution?!

    As usual Conor you have added 2+2 and come up with 42.

    Your outrage on demand is as funny as your amateur legal opinion.

    Oh, I sense poster bringing in stuff from other threads and getting all ad hominem to demonstrate that he is not outraged. More laughter here Enda.

    Look, the Nazis lost. The Jews got their State. You'll just have to live with it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭EndaHonesty


    Look, the Nazis lost. The Jews got their State. You'll just have to live with it.

    Do you understand the subject of the thread?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,212 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    It would have been horrible if the Nazis won.


  • Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭Anongeneric


    I used to live in Glasgow. Some mouth breather heard my accent in a student bar and started the above rubbish.

    He also claimed that the Irish were refueling German U-boats during WWII. This is a common belief among idiots in Glasgow.

    I pointed out that would have been a breach of Ireland's neutrality.

    He said it wasn't the government, it was the IRA.

    I informed him that the Irish government were executing members of the IRA who attempted to collaborate with the Germans. Any refueling station would be easily noticed, the IRA men captured and hanged.

    He then claimed that it wasn't the IRA in the south, it was Republicans in Northern Ireland.

    This Glaswegian moron believed Kriegsmarine U-boats were docking in the fcuking UK during WWII to refuel.

    Can you prove they didn't?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Can you prove they didn't?

    I was there. They did.


  • Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭Anongeneric


    I was there. They did.

    I believe that's proof enough for boards!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    I believe that's proof enough for boards!

    Anecdotal. Always the best.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    They didn't though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    I personally refueled Kriegsmarine U-Boats on the Antrim coast in 1943.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    I personally refueled Kriegsmarine U-Boats on the Antrim coast in 1943.


    I sold Maximus the fuel, counted out the green shield stamps and squeejied the windscreen on the nazi sub


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭.........


    peasant wrote: »
    Not a hope.
    Nazi-ideology is the exact opposite of democracy.

    You may be looking at a sub-set of local dictators subservient to Berlin perhaps...with some allowance for differing local cultures, but that's about as "democratic" as it would have gotten.

    And nowadays Enda and Vrad are the new 'leaders' Germany has chosen for Ireland. Ve haf vays of making you vote for them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Well, the Jewish people would be all dead.

    So there would be less trouble in the Middle East.

    It's a bit like saying if all black people were wiped out, there'd be fewer problems in Africa. Would that really mean the world would be in a better state? I don't think so...

    The middle east in chaos now and it's nothing to do with Israel.

    Libya in sh1te. Egypt too. Islamic State. Iraq. Iran.

    How would the Nazis winning have prevented that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,972 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    kona wrote: »
    The allies won ww2. Russia didn't win it on its own.

    To be so ignorant of the other nations and people who died is ****ing disgusting.

    Russia knocked the shyte out of Germany. Killed something like 3,600,000 German troops compared to 200,000 or so killed by US/Britain.

    The British and the Americans were happy enough to sit back and watch the two of them go at it for years.

    Suddenly the Russians look like they might get as far as Paris never mind Berlin, and the Brits and the Yanks wanted their share of Europe and D-day was on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Russia knocked the shyte out of Germany. Killed something like 3,600,000 German troops compared to 200,000 or so killed by US/Britain.

    The British and the Americans were happy enough to sit back and watch the two of them go at it for years.

    Suddenly the Russians look like they might get as far as Paris never mind Berlin, and the Brits and the Yanks wanted their share of Europe and D-day was on.

    The Soviet Union suffered approximately 20,000,000 casualties. So. knocking the shyte out of the Germans was somewhat of a Pyrrhic victory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,972 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    The Soviet Union suffered approximately 20,000,000 casualties. So. knocking the shyte out of the Germans was somewhat of a Pyrrhic victory.

    I think it was around 27,000,000 actually but I wouldn't describe it as a Pyrrhic victory considering how much territory they gained (including their puppet states) and how long they held that territory for, and the spoils of wars they took (factories, slaves, scientists, etc). It was a very costly victory, no doubt about that, but the USSR was a superpower after WWII with a new empire.

    The Brits if anyone suffered from a Phyrric victory, if you could even describe their result as a victory. They declared war on a country that didn't want to fight them, had similar economic and supremacist thinking, and the British of course had a German monarchy. And at the end of it all, Britain was broke and unable to resist the demands for democratic freedom in the territories it occupied around the world. Even sterling was replaced by the USD as the new global currency as the Brits became little brother to their former colony.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,131 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I'm not sure you can compare the British superiority complex with that of the maniacal force that was the Nazis.

    Just saying.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭GerB40


    Like Karl Pilkington said "It's a good thing the Nazis didn't win, I can't speak a word of German".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,131 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The Nazis oversaw the shrinking of human heads to use as paper stops and the making of lamp shades of human skin of those they executed.

    Lovely regime. Brits not quite at the same level?


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Russia knocked the shyte out of Germany. Killed something like 3,600,000 German troops compared to 200,000 or so killed by US/Britain.

    The British and the Americans were happy enough to sit back and watch the two of them go at it for years.

    Suddenly the Russians look like they might get as far as Paris never mind Berlin, and the Brits and the Yanks wanted their share of Europe and D-day was on.

    The Russians advanced on Berlin in the end and behaved like dogs.

    They raped and pillaged like Vikings.

    They never faced any consequences for their ground forces vile actions.

    You talk about Brits and Yanks being dishonourable, well the Russians were on a different plain altogether.

    They were a two timing, war crime committing disgrace. They even attempted to lay blame on the Nazis for some of their antics. Most notably the Katyn Massacre.

    Utter scum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    The father in laws cars would not have been stolen from his farm if the Germans had won


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    The Russians advanced on Berlin in the end and behaved like dogs.

    They raped and pillaged like Vikings.

    They never faced any consequences for their ground forces vile actions.

    You talk about Brits and Yanks being dishonourable, well the Russians were on a different plain altogether.

    They were a two timing, war crime committing disgrace. They even attempted to lay blame on the Nazis for some of their antics. Most notably the Katyn Massacre.

    Utter scum.

    There is a trend in recent years to say "Russia won the war", as if it was some great military or tactical victory. The Germans were not faced with any strong opposition in terms of an army or brilliant generals on the Eastern Front. They simply faced a country that was as contemptuous of human life as their own regime, willing to see 25 million soldiers and citizens die as human life became cheaper than bullets. They also faced Russian weather. If anything should get credit, it's not Russia as a country or a people, but the sub arctic climate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭duffysfarm


    if germany had won the war i think you wold have seen a lot more colonial expanison in Africa as the European countries woudl have been running out of space (rather than Africa colonising Europe these days)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    There is a trend in recent years to say "Russia won the war", as if it was some great military or tactical victory. The Germans were not faced with any strong opposition in terms of an army or brilliant generals on the Eastern Front. They simply faced a country that was as contemptuous of human life as their own regime, willing to see 25 million soldiers and citizens die as human life became cheaper than bullets. They also faced Russian weather. If anything should get credit, it's not Russia as a country or a people, but the sub arctic climate.

    It was also the tremendous sacrifice and effort by the Russian people who repulsed an army that openly regarded them as slaves. You've swung the other way now, saying it was a simple matter of the weather and ignoring the millions of Soviet citizens who gave their lives and suffered far more at the hands of the Nazis than other Allied countries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,509 ✭✭✭tritium


    There is a trend in recent years to say "Russia won the war", as if it was some great military or tactical victory. The Germans were not faced with any strong opposition in terms of an army or brilliant generals on the Eastern Front. They simply faced a country that was as contemptuous of human life as their own regime, willing to see 25 million soldiers and citizens die as human life became cheaper than bullets. They also faced Russian weather. If anything should get credit, it's not Russia as a country or a people, but the sub arctic climate.

    Thats a rather large oversimplification though. The russian strategy initially was based on the idea of using their own strengths to buy time. Russia didnt have the organisational or technological superiority over the nazis but they did have the same problems that brought down Napoleon- bodies and weather.

    Its also wrong to say there was nothing strategic in the Soviet approach, in many cases the losses acheived an intended overall strategic gain that proved decisive. Kursk was a fine example of this. More importantly battles like Kursk turned the tide and when the Soviets had their chance to inflict real pain on the nazis, as in operation Bagration, they took it ruthlessly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,972 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    The Russians advanced on Berlin in the end and behaved like dogs.

    They raped and pillaged like Vikings.

    They never faced any consequences for their ground forces vile actions.

    You talk about Brits and Yanks being dishonourable, well the Russians were on a different plain altogether.

    They were a two timing, war crime committing disgrace. They even attempted to lay blame on the Nazis for some of their antics. Most notably the Katyn Massacre.

    Utter scum.

    Yes, the Russians behaved as shockingly as they had suffered under the Germans.

    But this idea that the Brits or Americans were somehow morally superior is laughable.

    During WWII the British starved millions in India. Winston Churchill, a fanatical racist, who the Brits worship pretty much said they deserved it.

    After WWII, the Brits were still using concentration camps in Africa. And sure why not? After all it was from the British that Hitler was inspired to build his own camps. And you know all that agent orange that the lovely Amricans dropped on Vietnamese civilians during their barbaric wars in SE Asia? Inspired by the British dropping agent orange in Malaysia.

    Have you ever seen the effects of agent orange on humans? :mad:

    And lest we forget the genocide the Americans carried out against the native Americans. Murdering millions of them. Even mocking their slaughter to this day with their Thanksgiving holiday. Twisted evil scum.

    The British and Americans were every bit as evil as the Germans and Russians. But the never ending propaganda machine goes on. There's countless documentaries on the final solution. Hard to find any on the genocide in the Americas or Australia, or Britain's crimes in Africa and Asia.....

    Not many people even know about the Belgian genocide in the Congo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Yes, the Russians behaved as shockingly as they had suffered under the Germans.

    But this idea that the Brits or Americans were somehow morally superior is laughable.

    During WWII the British starved millions in India. Winston Churchill, a fanatical racist, who the Brits worship pretty much said they deserved it.

    After WWII, the Brits were still using concentration camps in Africa. And sure why not? After all it was from the British that Hitler was inspired to build his own camps. And you know all that agent orange that the lovely Amricans dropped on Vietnamese civilians during their barbaric wars in SE Asia? Inspired by the British dropping agent orange in Malaysia.

    Have you ever seen the effects of agent orange on humans? :mad:

    And lest we forget the genocide the Americans carried out against the native Americans. Murdering millions of them. Even mocking their slaughter to this day with their Thanksgiving holiday. Twisted evil scum.

    The British and Americans were every bit as evil as the Germans and Russians. But the never ending propaganda machine goes on. There's countless documentaries on the final solution. Hard to find any on the genocide in the Americas or Australia, or Britain's crimes in Africa and Asia.....

    Not many people even know about the Belgian genocide in the Congo.

    You can throw in French actions in Algeria as well, ten years after WW2. Wasn't much liberté, egalité and fraternity for them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Yes, the Russians behaved as shockingly as they had suffered under the Germans.

    But this idea that the Brits or Americans were somehow morally superior is laughable.

    During WWII the British starved millions in India. Winston Churchill, a fanatical racist, who the Brits worship pretty much said they deserved it.

    After WWII, the Brits were still using concentration camps in Africa. And sure why not? After all it was from the British that Hitler was inspired to build his own camps. And you know all that agent orange that the lovely Amricans dropped on Vietnamese civilians during their barbaric wars in SE Asia? Inspired by the British dropping agent orange in Malaysia.

    Have you ever seen the effects of agent orange on humans? :mad:

    And lest we forget the genocide the Americans carried out against the native Americans. Murdering millions of them. Even mocking their slaughter to this day with their Thanksgiving holiday. Twisted evil scum.

    The British and Americans were every bit as evil as the Germans and Russians. But the never ending propaganda machine goes on. There's countless documentaries on the final solution. Hard to find any on the genocide in the Americas or Australia, or Britain's crimes in Africa and Asia.....

    Not many people even know about the Belgian genocide in the Congo.

    Do you find living on the moral high ground lonely? :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Do you find living on the moral high ground lonely? :rolleyes:

    Probably much of the world agrees with that position.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6 Panimorph


    Operation Paperclip!

    Teaser from Wikpedia:

    "Wernher Magnus Maximilian Freiherr von Braun (March 23, 1912 – June 16, 1977) was a German, later American, aerospace engineer[3] and space architect credited with inventing the V-2 rocket for Nazi Germany and the Saturn V for the United States.[4][5] He was one of the leading figures in the development of rocket technology in Nazi Germany, where he was a member of the Nazi Party and the SS."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Do you find living on the moral high ground lonely? :rolleyes:

    It isn't moral posturing; it's just the truth. A few short years after WW2 supposedly fought on behalf of freedom and democracy et al, many Allied countries were balls deep in suppressing those concepts in their colonies for their own selfish gain often using extremely brutal and bloody methods in order to do so.

    That should always be brought up whenever someone tries on this narrative of "goodies v baddies" in global politics.


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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Yes, the Russians behaved as shockingly as they had suffered under the Germans.

    But this idea that the Brits or Americans were somehow morally superior is laughable.

    During WWII the British starved millions in India. Winston Churchill, a fanatical racist, who the Brits worship pretty much said they deserved it.

    After WWII, the Brits were still using concentration camps in Africa. And sure why not? After all it was from the British that Hitler was inspired to build his own camps. And you know all that agent orange that the lovely Amricans dropped on Vietnamese civilians during their barbaric wars in SE Asia? Inspired by the British dropping agent orange in Malaysia.

    Have you ever seen the effects of agent orange on humans? :mad:

    And lest we forget the genocide the Americans carried out against the native Americans. Murdering millions of them. Even mocking their slaughter to this day with their Thanksgiving holiday. Twisted evil scum.

    The British and Americans were every bit as evil as the Germans and Russians. But the never ending propaganda machine goes on. There's countless documentaries on the final solution. Hard to find any on the genocide in the Americas or Australia, or Britain's crimes in Africa and Asia.....

    Not many people even know about the Belgian genocide in the Congo.

    Wow!

    You dragged in the Boer War, the Indian Wars, Vietnam...looks like you keep a list of that stuff!


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