If the Nazis won WW2...

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

...instead of the Russians what would Europe be like now? It's a question no one cares about but it's interesting none the less.

I'd say it would not have been as bad as it may appear. 20 years down the road we would probably have regained democracy. Hitler would have died naturally in that time anyway. Also the Germans are great at everything, so our country would be better today, more disciplined i'd say and less wreckless.

On a different note in recent years more and more WW2 footage in documentaries has had color added to it. Saw one of these last night. Don't know how they do the editing but it looks awesome and sad

Brings a new perspective.

So much lies and propaganda have now been spread about WW2 in Europe that most people, even though thinking they know it all are really completely ignorant on the subject.

Actually I agree with your post it shows some understanding.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Countries like Spain, Portugal, UK, Ireland, the nordic states, et al would have been largely OK - and France would likely have been handed back most of its sovereignty apart from a few annexed regions, same for Belgium, Holland, etc. As long as Western Europe played political ball with the Germans, they would've been mostly fine.

However they would have looked to have Jews detained and deported from every country in Europe - and possibly expected some level of 'volunteer labour' for Germany from certain countries (France in particular) like during the war which meant poor conditions, low pay, long hours.

Really though, it would have been particularly horrific for the entirety of central and eastern europe as well as the vast Soviet Union, where they planned to starve about 50 million people, uproot countless millions of others and dump them as far east as possible, and ultimately reduce the remaining populations to nations of uneducated slaves whose sole purpose was to supply Germany with it's every need.

Really, what did happen in reality was the lesser of two evils. Stalin had already done most of his murdering by the time WW2 rolled around. Hitler had barely gotten started on the larger plan by 1945.

Pretty much the way it was horrific for the natives in the Americas, but even with a so-called free press and democratic system that genocide isn't acknowledged so the genocide carried out by the Germans would've been covered up.

Play Wolfenstein The New Order set in the 60's after Germany wins the war - for a game it has some pretty hard hitting moments. Every so often the game reminds you just how truly evil the nazi regime was. The experiments on people, the gas chambers, babies taken away for having club foot. The stasi looking for excuses for people to disappear.

farmerwifelet wrote: »

Play Wolfenstein The New Order set in the 60's after Germany wins the war - for a game it has some pretty hard hitting moments. Every so often the game reminds you just how truly evil the nazi regime was. The experiments on people, the gas chambers, babies taken away for having club foot. The stasi looking for excuses for people to disappear.

The stasi was a communist east German invention. The gestapo and SS are what your looking for.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

. 20 years down the road we would probably have regained democracy.

Not a hope.
Nazi-ideology is the exact opposite of democracy.

You may be looking at a sub-set of local dictators subservient to Berlin perhaps...with some allowance for differing local cultures, but that's about as "democratic" as it would have gotten.


To quote the doctor from Captain America:
A lot of people seem to forget that the first country that the Nazis occupied was their own.

It took them less than ten years to transform a culturally rich and diverse country into a police state where whole families could end up in concentration camp for just telling a joke.

What they could have done in 70 years to all of Europe doesn't bear even thinking about.

It would have been horrible if the Nazis won.

Anongeneric wrote: »

Can you prove they didn't?

I was there. They did.

Anongeneric wrote: »

I believe that's proof enough for boards!

Anecdotal. Always the best.

I personally refueled Kriegsmarine U-Boats on the Antrim coast in 1943.

kona wrote: »

The allies won ww2. Russia didn't win it on its own.

To be so ignorant of the other nations and people who died is ****ing disgusting.

Russia knocked the shyte out of Germany. Killed something like 3,600,000 German troops compared to 200,000 or so killed by US/Britain.

The British and the Americans were happy enough to sit back and watch the two of them go at it for years.

Suddenly the Russians look like they might get as far as Paris never mind Berlin, and the Brits and the Yanks wanted their share of Europe and D-day was on.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

The Soviet Union suffered approximately 20,000,000 casualties. So. knocking the shyte out of the Germans was somewhat of a Pyrrhic victory.

I think it was around 27,000,000 actually but I wouldn't describe it as a Pyrrhic victory considering how much territory they gained (including their puppet states) and how long they held that territory for, and the spoils of wars they took (factories, slaves, scientists, etc). It was a very costly victory, no doubt about that, but the USSR was a superpower after WWII with a new empire.

The Brits if anyone suffered from a Phyrric victory, if you could even describe their result as a victory. They declared war on a country that didn't want to fight them, had similar economic and supremacist thinking, and the British of course had a German monarchy. And at the end of it all, Britain was broke and unable to resist the demands for democratic freedom in the territories it occupied around the world. Even sterling was replaced by the USD as the new global currency as the Brits became little brother to their former colony.

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a trend in recent years to say "Russia won the war", as if it was some great military or tactical victory. The Germans were not faced with any strong opposition in terms of an army or brilliant generals on the Eastern Front. They simply faced a country that was as contemptuous of human life as their own regime, willing to see 25 million soldiers and citizens die as human life became cheaper than bullets. They also faced Russian weather. If anything should get credit, it's not Russia as a country or a people, but the sub arctic climate.

It was also the tremendous sacrifice and effort by the Russian people who repulsed an army that openly regarded them as slaves. You've swung the other way now, saying it was a simple matter of the weather and ignoring the millions of Soviet citizens who gave their lives and suffered far more at the hands of the Nazis than other Allied countries.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The Russians advanced on Berlin in the end and behaved like dogs.

They raped and pillaged like Vikings.

They never faced any consequences for their ground forces vile actions.

You talk about Brits and Yanks being dishonourable, well the Russians were on a different plain altogether.

They were a two timing, war crime committing disgrace. They even attempted to lay blame on the Nazis for some of their antics. Most notably the Katyn Massacre.

Utter scum.

Yes, the Russians behaved as shockingly as they had suffered under the Germans.

But this idea that the Brits or Americans were somehow morally superior is laughable.

During WWII the British starved millions in India. Winston Churchill, a fanatical racist, who the Brits worship pretty much said they deserved it.

After WWII, the Brits were still using concentration camps in Africa. And sure why not? After all it was from the British that Hitler was inspired to build his own camps. And you know all that agent orange that the lovely Amricans dropped on Vietnamese civilians during their barbaric wars in SE Asia? Inspired by the British dropping agent orange in Malaysia.

Have you ever seen the effects of agent orange on humans? :mad:

And lest we forget the genocide the Americans carried out against the native Americans. Murdering millions of them. Even mocking their slaughter to this day with their Thanksgiving holiday. Twisted evil scum.

The British and Americans were every bit as evil as the Germans and Russians. But the never ending propaganda machine goes on. There's countless documentaries on the final solution. Hard to find any on the genocide in the Americas or Australia, or Britain's crimes in Africa and Asia.....

Not many people even know about the Belgian genocide in the Congo.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Yes, the Russians behaved as shockingly as they had suffered under the Germans.

But this idea that the Brits or Americans were somehow morally superior is laughable.

During WWII the British starved millions in India. Winston Churchill, a fanatical racist, who the Brits worship pretty much said they deserved it.

After WWII, the Brits were still using concentration camps in Africa. And sure why not? After all it was from the British that Hitler was inspired to build his own camps. And you know all that agent orange that the lovely Amricans dropped on Vietnamese civilians during their barbaric wars in SE Asia? Inspired by the British dropping agent orange in Malaysia.

Have you ever seen the effects of agent orange on humans? :mad:

And lest we forget the genocide the Americans carried out against the native Americans. Murdering millions of them. Even mocking their slaughter to this day with their Thanksgiving holiday. Twisted evil scum.

The British and Americans were every bit as evil as the Germans and Russians. But the never ending propaganda machine goes on. There's countless documentaries on the final solution. Hard to find any on the genocide in the Americas or Australia, or Britain's crimes in Africa and Asia.....

Not many people even know about the Belgian genocide in the Congo.

Do you find living on the moral high ground lonely? :rolleyes: