RTE want to double TV licence fee

bladespin · 24-03-2017 2:04pm

LeeroyJ. wrote:

So you agree paying 160 euro for owning a TV for consoles is justified? Even when you don't have or want access to broadcasting?

Not smarting but if that's all you need then just get rid, get a nice monitor and a surround system.

BlinkingLights · 24-03-2017 2:37pm

It's kind of hard to argue that Netflix or similar shouldn't be treated as the same as cable or sky. Both Sky Q and Virgin Horizon are also full and extremely comprehensive IPTV video on demand services too. Sky Q in particular really blurs the line between VOD/IPTV and traditional satellite broadcasting.

I think though RTE needs to be realistic about the limit above which people will stop seeing them as providing value for money.

A lot of people are willing to pay for Public Service Broadcasting, but €320 a year is absolutely taking the ...

How about if 10% of the VAT on Sky, Virgin, EirTv, Irish Netflix subs etc were simply ring fenced for a public service broadcasting fund and Saorview goes encrypted with an annual fee.

I think though it really needs to be for funding BROADCASTING and PROGRAMME MAKING and not just handed to RTE to lash on irrelevant spending that doesn't meet the core criteria of being Irish broadcasting.

looie · 24-03-2017 2:42pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Why don't they switch off the TV and radio stations at midnight like they used to do.

Start them up again in the morning.

I switched their channels off years ago and worked a treat for me.

LeeroyJ. · 24-03-2017 3:41pm

bladespin wrote: »

Not smarting but if that's all you need then just get rid, get a nice monitor and a surround system.

Would be nice, but an equal setup to a TV like that is much more expensive, my 40" 4k Tv was 299 Monitor + sound would be much much more.

Billy86 · 24-03-2017 3:55pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

sell the tv then

What if, like me, you use the TV as a monitor for the computer?

I use it as a TV as well and pay licence, but if I weren't leaving the country soon enough I'd be looking to cancel since I watch all of 1-2 hours television a week and could easily go without as I have done before without much bother.

Its an antiquated system that owning a piece of hardware has a licence fee, might have made sense up until 10 of so years back but not anymore. They need to improve and innovate, to be honest.

jcon1913 · 24-03-2017 5:06pm

NIMAN wrote: »

don't see George Hamilton on that list, I once saw his salary listed at €200K. Or Miriam? Are they self-employed companies?

No weather presenters either?

Yeah the list I used was not by any means inclusive. anyhow the whole point is that the numbers of hours needed to be filled with so many stations drives the expenses, and they are cloud cuckoo land.

Venom · 24-03-2017 5:09pm

BlinkingLights wrote: »

It's kind of hard to argue that Netflix or similar shouldn't be treated as the same as cable or sky. Both Sky Q and Virgin Horizon are also full and extremely comprehensive IPTV video on demand services too. Sky Q in particular really blurs the line between VOD/IPTV and traditional satellite broadcasting.

I think though RTE needs to be realistic about the limit above which people will stop seeing them as providing value for money.

A lot of people are willing to pay for Public Service Broadcasting, but €320 a year is absolutely taking the ...

How about if 10% of the VAT on Sky, Virgin, EirTv, Irish Netflix subs etc were simply ring fenced for a public service broadcasting fund and Saorview goes encrypted with an annual fee.

I think though it really needs to be for funding BROADCASTING and PROGRAMME MAKING and not just handed to RTE to lash on irrelevant spending that doesn't meet the core criteria of being Irish broadcasting.

I really wonder how many people actually see RTE as value for money? I don't mean the one's who are ok paying or begrudgingly pay the license fee because its the law and they don't want the hassle of dealing with going to court, but the people who 100% believe RTE provides good value for money, for the €160 they have to fork over each year?

If the money from the license even went equally to all the Irish TV and Radio stations, I honestly feel people wouldn't be so against paying. RTE should broadcast the news, weather, sport, primetime style shows and show's highlight past and present Irish culture and that's it, not wasting money on soaps and reality shows that can be watched on TV3, BBC and other channels.

mollygreene · 24-03-2017 5:18pm

I own a television but do not have RTÉ, Saorview, Sky or UPC
yet I still have to pay €160 every year to fund RTÉ's ''quality broadcasting service''

It's absolute nonsense, they can ask my arse for 320

please helpThank YOU · 24-03-2017 5:56pm

mollygreene wrote: »

I own a television but do not have RTÉ, Saorview, Sky or UPC
yet I still have to pay €160 every year to fund RTÉ's ''quality broadcasting service''

It's absolute nonsense, they can ask my arse for 320

RTE Want to invest this 320 euros wisely with Bosco Remake maybe Enda would make a great Bosco.:D:)

Graces7 · 25-03-2017 4:57am

They sent me a free -for- life TV licence with the Household Benefit package .

Have no TV and have never had one since before I came to Ireland and have no desire for one, ever.

So the increase?

Wish I could sell the licence

:rolleyes:

Kivaro · 25-03-2017 8:36am

Graces7 wrote: »

They sent me a free -for- life TV licence with the Household Benefit package .

Have no TV and have never had one since before I came to Ireland and have no desire for one, ever.

So the increase?

Wish I could sell the licence :rolleyes:

That's odd.
You wish to sell something that you got for "free".
Free as in other people are paying for you to have it.

NIMAN · 25-03-2017 8:51am

How many people in Ireland get 'free' TV licences?

Moonbeam · 25-03-2017 9:30am

This drives me mad ,we have to pay a licence to own a TV ,not for transmission ,not for usage but just to own one .
I watch the toy show but that is it ,and tbh it would not be the end of the world if I missed it .
We have no TV channels and don't miss them at all .

Permabear · 25-03-2017 9:42am

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NIMAN · 25-03-2017 11:09am

Moonbeam wrote: »

This drives me mad ,we have to pay a licence to own a TV ,not for transmission ,not for usage but just to own one .
I watch the toy show but that is it ,and tbh it would not be the end of the world if I missed it .
We have no TV channels and don't miss them at all .

Why do you own a TV then?
If you want to save €160, get rid of it.

Harry Palmr · 25-03-2017 11:21am

Permabear wrote: »

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This is the generation of pensions who have never had it so good - they will probably be the most comfortable OAP's in history, past and future yet they get all manner of freebies. There are quite a lot of them as well - 65 years and over 535,393 in 2011 according to the CSO.

Paddy Cow · 25-03-2017 11:35am

NIMAN wrote: »

How many people in Ireland get 'free' TV licences?

Mainly the older generation, who are apparently the ones who want RTE and would be most effected if it was axed. So everyone else has to pay for a service they don't need, so others can get it for free.

ZeitgeistGlee · 25-03-2017 11:36am

NIMAN wrote: »

Why do you own a TV then?
If you want to save €160, get rid of it.

Because Netflix, Amazon Prime and/or all other manner of streams aren't a thing. I pay for both Netflix and Prime and it's only marginally more expensive than the licence fee for much better array of quality programming compared to RTE's "offerings".

Cap pay for all positions in RTE at €150k a year, if we're forced to watch/listen to monkeys anyway we might as well pay "peanuts".

Mr.Micro · 25-03-2017 11:38am

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Mainly the older generation, who are apparently the ones who want RTE and would be most effected if it was axed. So everyone else has to pay for a service they don't need, so others can get it for free.

Even they would not pay for it, if it was by subscription.

emo72 · 25-03-2017 12:01pm

Whats that Montrose site worth? Don't sell it. Build apartments in the most affluent part of the city. Rent them out. Use that income to fund their new cheap site in the Midlands. The town that gets rte gets a huge bump, the Midlands revival begins. Happy days, so easy.

But no. Those guys don't want the inconvenience of that. We will pay so they can have a great social life in d4.

Vote for emo. It's my only manifesto.

Moonbeam · 25-03-2017 12:48pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Why do you own a TV then?
If you want to save €160, get rid of it.

Netflix and computer games

Graces7 · 25-03-2017 12:57pm

NIMAN wrote: »

How many people in Ireland get 'free' TV licences?

Not sure but if you get the Household Benefit package, ie some help with ESB and SoldiFuel, t comes automatically. Does not cost the govt or you anything as they print the things . It is more as a free pass..limited to this address else would be elsewhere.

Graces7 · 25-03-2017 1:03pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This is the generation of pensions who have never had it so good - they will probably be the most comfortable OAP's in history, past and future yet they get all manner of freebies. There are quite a lot of them as well - 65 years and over 535,393 in 2011 according to the CSO.

Indeed some yes. Still takes great care and skill to manage many find. We get eg the standing eSB order and a small unit allowance, 25 a week for solid fuel in winter, Living Alone Allowance if that applies, bus pass.. not sure what the latest decision was re medical cards? Irish pension is much higher than the UK one I get

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 25-03-2017 4:13pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Not sure but if you get the Household Benefit package, ie some help with ESB and SoldiFuel, t comes automatically. Does not cost the govt or you anything as they print the things . It is more as a free pass..limited to this address else would be elsewhere.

Sorry but your 'free' TV licence comes at a cost to the state. The government pays a grant to RTE, funded by the licence fee. If you get a free licence the portion of the usual fee is made up by the department for social protection; hence the taxpayer pays for you. Likewise the electricity allowance, free travel, rent subsidy etc.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 25-03-2017 4:15pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Mainly the older generation, who are apparently the ones who want RTE and would be most effected if it was axed. So everyone else has to pay for a service they don't need, so others can get it for free.

Don't be so sure the older generation wants RTE either. I rarely watch it and prefer BBC and my freesat channels. I'd love a means of only paying for RTE if you watch it.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-03-2017 4:16pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This is the generation of pensions who have never had it so good - they will probably be the most comfortable OAP's in history, past and future yet they get all manner of freebies. There are quite a lot of them as well - 65 years and over 535,393 in 2011 according to the CSO.

And what about it? They're the reason we have it easy.

Harry Palmr · 25-03-2017 4:24pm

LexieOnRale wrote: »

And what about it? They're the reason we have it easy.

Yes indeed the people who stood by child rapists of the cloth, were inveterate tax dodgers, elected Charlie Haughey and the like. We owe them so much.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-03-2017 6:53pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Yes indeed the people who stood by child rapists of the cloth, were inveterate tax dodgers, elected Charlie Haughey and the like. We owe them so much.

Like we owe people to continue living in houses they took out mortgages on that they can't afford to pay but still feel entitled to live in the house they're not paying for?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 25-03-2017 7:11pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Yes indeed the people who stood by child rapists of the cloth, were inveterate tax dodgers, elected Charlie Haughey and the like. We owe them so much.

As someone who openly condemned the handling of paedophile priests, always paid my full taxes (at rates much higher than today) and never voted for CJ Haughty in my life, I'm tempted to belittle the current generation who partied through the Celtic Tiger and brought the country to it's knees, sat back when Garda corruption was rife, voted in successive governments who failed to live up to their promises, bailed out banks, saw the introduction of water charges, let the health service decline and homelessness grow to a staggering level. But I know you can't condemn a whole generation for what ensues in their lifetime nor blame the ordinary working man for the failings in society as a whole.

luketitz · 25-03-2017 10:28pm

Lt Dan wrote: »

luketitz wrote: »

Bring back Kevo and Mary Kingston

Mary Kingston? :eek:

I can only assume that she was on yolks or e's when she was presenting. I sincerely hope so

Yeah Kevo sold then to her!

please helpThank YOU · 26-03-2017 12:29am

Next the will want double the Dog licence from140 euros to 280euros ? So RTE pay Ryan Tubridy Salary of 495000 euros a year our 9500 euros a week our 38000 euros a Month. no man should be payed that kind of Salary for having the same Cheesy people on his show week after week.

foxtrot101 · 26-03-2017 1:24am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Yes indeed the people who stood by child rapists of the cloth, were inveterate tax dodgers, elected Charlie Haughey and the like. We owe them so much.

The vast majority of them would have been PAYE workers who had no control over their taxes other than it being taken out of their wages each week.

CaptainR · 26-03-2017 1:32am

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

Would be nice, but an equal setup to a TV like that is much more expensive, my 40" 4k Tv was 299 Monitor + sound would be much much more.

Can I ask what TV you've got that only cost 299? We've a Sony Bravia from 2007 or 08 I'm not certain and I think at the time they were 2500+

My dad is a bit of a snob when it comes to TVs like "Oh that's not as good as a Sony/Panasonic" and I'm just curious as to what you've got and how you'd rate it

Harry Palmr · 26-03-2017 9:39am

We're all a bit **** really (see current malaises) but free stuff for those who simply do not need it does rile me.

uptherebels · 27-03-2017 5:17am

Well it gets even better:mad:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/minister-to-make-tv-licence-fee-payable-for-ipads-laptops-and-pcs-35567457.html

have to protect the "stars" at the top.

retalivity · 27-03-2017 6:53am

Haha they can fcuk right off. Havent paid a tv license in 10 yrs, havent had a tv in 8. No intention of funding these parasites through any other means either, an internet tax - jesus!!

jonon9 · 27-03-2017 7:14am

uptherebels wrote: »

Well it gets even better:mad:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/minister-to-make-tv-licence-fee-payable-for-ipads-laptops-and-pcs-35567457.html

have to protect the "stars" at the top.

Wouldn't it making you ****ing sick, poor cash strapped RTÉ crying to the government. Do they honestly think the people of Ireland only watch RTÉ and nothing else.

Lt Dan · 27-03-2017 7:23am

This is actually one protest against charges that is worthy of the country getting behind. At least water charges are justifiable.

RTE no longer has justification to exist as a Semi State Body.

While I think Pat Kenny is decent, he has failed during his tv stints at TV3 and UTV. His radio show ratings (no criticism of his performance, I like Pat) is probably not what Newstalk hoped for. He has proven that these so called stars in RTE can be let go and replaced. Only one that has proven that he was irreplaceable was Gerry Ryan.

Tubridy, O'Callaghan, sorry lads, ye are replaceable and ye WILL struggle to get a high ranking presenting job in England. (O'Callaghan won't really have to worry , she would get some work presenting if she was bothered, and she is involved in productions)

I for one will not be paying

27-03-2017 8:36am

They can't even offer their catch up services in HD and still they want to be paid for the tripe they serve up. Saw an article in the mail yesterday regarding how many repeats they showed over a recent 2 week period. Shocking stuff.

Bob24 · 27-03-2017 8:40am

Lt Dan wrote: »

This is actually one protest against charges that is worthy of the country getting behind. At least water charges are justifiable.

Yes, pretty much what I thought when I read this:

He has also ruled out the imposition of a so-called 'Broadcasting Charge' which would result in every household in the country receiving a bill regardless of whether they access public service broadcasting. This approach is favoured by Fianna Fáil.

So nowadays Fianna Fail thinks it is scandalous to charge someone 160 euros for the water they use everyday (and only if they use it) and to fund critical infrastructure for the country, but they have no issue saying that anyone should be charged the exact same 160 euros to fund RTE (objectively a much less vital resource) regardless of whether they watch it or not.

Now regardless of what people think of water charges and what the funding model should be for our water infrastructure, I think most of us will see the horrendous political hypocrisy and demagogy there.

Bob24 · 27-03-2017 8:46am

uptherebels wrote: »

Well it gets even better:mad:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/minister-to-make-tv-licence-fee-payable-for-ipads-laptops-and-pcs-35567457.html

have to protect the "stars" at the top.

Note the title of the article is a bit misleading when they say iPad users will have to pay. The actual content clearly specifies it is for devices with a screen size above 11 inches. Since only a tiny minority of iPads (and other tablets) sold are above that number, most iPad users wouldn't be included in that proposal.

But anyway yeah fairly stupid stuff. It's just a proposal though so hopefully they don't manage to get it through (the broadcasting charge which was not all that different seems like it has been buried).

the_pen_turner · 27-03-2017 11:23am

time to get projectors.

Walter H Price · 27-03-2017 11:30am

seeing loads of stuff on Facebook and a load of people in the office giving out sh!te about RTE , and the proposed increase in the licence fee and widening the scope in terms of applying it not just for TV's but ipads, laptops games systems etc.

Personally i think it should be made a subscription service and i would have no issue at all losing it , i don't watch anything on RTE 1 or 2 99% of their programming is either repeats of american shows available earlier on other sky channels , RTE news is shockingly poor and incredibly bias and i don't even own a Radio so can comfortably say i never tune in.

Why are people being asked to pay for a service they don't want , for me this is different to water and i never protested water because my view was i used the service and the charge was justified giving the need to improve the supply and maintain the network, honestly i think i would protest this because i already pay for TV (Sky) and Netflix , I don't watch or listen to RTE so why should i be forced to pay for it.

pumpkin4life · 27-03-2017 11:31am

No.

Shut it down.

Bob24 · 27-03-2017 11:31am

the_pen_turner wrote: »

time to get projectors.

You actually raise a very good point! :-)

Technically is projector an "electronic devices with screen sizes above 11 inches"? If you look at it in isolation probably not but associated to a wall you project the image into you could also ague it is.

Keep it quite though ... lets not mention potential loopholes before it is too late for them to amend proposals and close them.

King George VI · 27-03-2017 11:36am

For Tubridy? Absolutely.

Noveight · 27-03-2017 11:37am

Walter H Price wrote: »

Why are people being asked to pay for a service they don't want

Because RTÉ would have folded long ago if their services were subscription based, and poor auld Tubs would be on less than 400k a year.

Laois_Man · 27-03-2017 11:55am

Never ceases to amaze me the amount of people who have never (or very rarely) watch GAA or the Irish Ruby/soccer team - Irish election debates/coverage/results. Coverage of major events such as the Rescue 116 tragedy, Dublin gang warfare, Paddy's day coverage, 1916 commemorations, industrial disputes/strikes that effect them etc etc

Permabear · 27-03-2017 12:17pm

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Oasis1974 · 27-03-2017 12:21pm

Laois_Man wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me the amount of people who have never (or very rarely) watch GAA or the Irish Ruby/soccer team - Irish election debates/coverage/results. Coverage of major events such as the Rescue 116 tragedy, Dublin gang warfare, Paddy's day coverage, 1916 commemorations, industrial disputes/strikes that effect them etc etc

I could live without all that should ****ee and caught the football elsewhere

RTE want to double TV licence fee

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