RTE want to double TV licence fee

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yosser hughes wrote: »

I know it's been shelved, but Dee Forbes put it back on the agenda today. This is RTE preferred method of collection and they will push for it.

They can push all they want. The people who actually make these decisions have to stand for election, and they've already decided that the broadcasting tax is more trouble than it's worth.

mikeym

I hate paying the licence fee as it is but I do admit I watch the news sometimes and I watch most of the live International Rugby/Soccer matches that are on.

I also access the rte.ie website.

I delayed the licence fee payment last year and one month after the expiry I see the TV Licence Inspector snooping around the house.

So basically I got a free month. (I used a different name to renew)

€160 is enough money to be giving RTE, especially when they make money from advertisements.

Why should we pay for 2fm? Nobody listens to it.

They need to scrap 2fm right now if they are serious about saving money, they likes of Spin are putting 2fm to shame.

Earthhorse

skankkuvhima wrote: »

You think

On-site professional childcare facilities
Credit Union on-site
squash courts and fitness classes

Are standard?

I have worked for some of the largest tech companies in the world and none have had squash courts or on-site childcare or a credit union

Depends what they mean by on site. Lot's of companies will have access to creches and gyms in the same complex. If it's a specific gym built into the complex then no, that's not standard.

q2ice

Does anyone else find it ironic that her name is Ms Forbes?
I saw other posts calling her Ms Forbes however I thought they were calling her that in relatino to the Forbes rich list. :P


The only time I see RTE is either when I am in the pub or at the parents house.
Watched The Late Late Show for the first time in years last Friday and it is a complete load of crap (in my opinion).
Cannot believe they were showing that DNA crap which is essentially a placed ad (shown as entertainment). Surely there should have been a warning to say it was an ad placement. If this is the level of crud on TV then I am glad that I don't watch it.


For all the slack that Netflix gets (about not enough content), it is much cheaper and much better quality. I am definitely saying that Netflix is the 'be all and end all' but you get a choice on the type of programs that you watch and when.
One of the things they have working for them is that knowing exactly what programs people watch and they cater for it.

Also find it bizzare that people who say they do not watch TV are instantly deemed as Liars.

I think the only reason they don't go to a subscription based model is because then the real numbers of people watching it will contradict the numbers they claim are watching it. Is there still any transparency on how viewership numbers are calculated? And if it is the 'Neilsen' method then how are the people selected?

Capt'n Midnight

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Can you still buy the RTE guide?
That's a ridiculous waste of money if it's still being published.

I only get it for the knitting patterns.

Capt'n Midnight

I 2014 €214m was collected. And €40m * wasn't.
An Post got a tenner per licence so its really only €200m collected out of a potential €250m

On that basis alone the broadcasting charge on electricity would be down to €128.

Paddy Cow wrote: »

She wants to add it to electricity bills to catch avoiders. What happens with people like me who genuinely don't have a tv?

You could opt out. But expect to be fined if you watch broadcast TV.




*From original link
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/its-incredible-value-for-money-rtes-new-director-general-thinks-licence-fee-should-be-doubled-35554991.html

What I am focused on is reform of the fee collection system to recover some €40m per annum that is lost to the entire Irish sector every year through evasion."

Jayop

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

I 2014 €214m was collected. And €40m * wasn't.
An Post got a tenner per licence so its really only €200m collected out of a potential €250m

On that basis alone the broadcasting charge on electricity would be down to €128.




You could opt out. But expect to be fined if you watch broadcast TV.




*From original link
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/its-incredible-value-for-money-rtes-new-director-general-thinks-licence-fee-should-be-doubled-35554991.html

What if you generate your own electricity but watch RTE. You can't allow for freeloading like that!!

cnocbui

Why is she paid so much when she seemingly can't use a calendar and get her April 1st joke out on the right day?

suicide_circus

I have no traditional tv service. We stream stuff on the laptop and chromecast it to the telly screen. RTE do a couple of things well such as Prime Time Investigates and some radio shows like John Creedon. Most of their "original content" (read poor imitations of hit British shows) is truly dreadful car crash cringeworthy viewing. Joe Duffy's misery porn show is a self parody at this stage. Ray D'arcy is insufferable beyond belief. And yet i pay the license fee....but i wont be paying double. I can only assume that the controller general is aiming high with the ridiculous sum of €320 in the hope of getting some slight increase.

Skatedude

Earthhorse wrote: »

The big thing that I think would be missed were the license fee to go is the investigative journalism. Perhaps a private entity would pick up the slack but I doubt it; journalism is really struggling at the moment and is vital to a healthy democracy in my opinion.



Correct. I have an iMac and no TV and don't pay a license fee as a result.

I cannot understand the number of people in this thread who say they don't watch TV anymore but still have television sets; what for?



I agree with you about bloated salaries for the stars but a lot of those benefits seem pretty standard for a large organisation.

"I cannot understand the number of people in this thread who say they don't watch TV anymore but still have television sets; what for?"

Seriously? dvd players, satellite, media players, internet, netflix, youtube, amazon, game consoles etc? Televisions are monitors with a tuner and I'ts been many years since anything needs to be plugged in to the tuner to watch stuff, And all nothing to do with RTE.

mariaalice

In general I would be supportive of national broadcasters because it is a public service, but it really is getting dire at this stage. I caught an Ad for Brendan O'Connors cutting edge now I have never watched it but sounds dire in the extreme the sort of stuff they have on third rate morning television yet its on after the evening news a prim time on television.

Ginger83

They can double mine, it'd still be 0.

Earthhorse

Skatedude wrote: »

"I cannot understand the number of people in this thread who say they don't watch TV anymore but still have television sets; what for?"

Seriously? dvd players, satellite, media players, internet, netflix, youtube, amazon, game consoles etc? Televisions are monitors with a tuner and I'ts been many years since anything needs to be plugged in to the tuner to watch stuff, And all nothing to do with RTE.

I would regard satellite as watching TV. Do you seriously tell people you were watching satellite last night? Everything else you mention can be done on monitors.

Amalgam

Where's Watty when you need him?

Does a radio only license exist at all these days, was it ever a thing? I'd pay for that.

RTE are keen to push for change, remove the idea that your display has to have a tuner to come under the remit of the license legislation, which worries me.

I'd hate to have to pay a premium for buying computer equipment/phones/tablets etc. :mad:

CoolHandBandit

Honestly find it hard to believe the amount of people not paying is only 19%. Maybe it's just the area i live in i don't know but the TV inspector would be laughed at if he made his rounds here.

Larbre34

RTÉ / Govt would want to be fairly careful here. Theres still a lot of Irish Water sentiment knocking about, asking the citizenry to directly fund wastage again could backfire into serious non-compliance.

It should be privatised, get it and TV3 to tender for public service elements that the Govt would then fund dependent on value for money; news, sport, investigative, education, nature and science. As it is, RTÉ is far too cosy by half, it needs gutting.

And the whole Montrose campus should be sold, set up a purpose built modern broadcast site in a regenerating area like the Docklands or the Liberties. Fair City could relocate to Ardmore or Limerick, or to nowhere frankly.

Green farmer

Haven't watched rte in years. Takes 3,000 people pooling their TVs licence fees together to pay tubridy alone. Value for money ???

SEPT 23 1989

Larbre34 wrote: »

And the whole Montrose campus should be sold, set up a purpose built modern broadcast site in a regenerating area like the Docklands or the Liberties. Fair City could relocate to Ardmore or Limerick, or to nowhere frankly.

Docklands Liberties?

A company losing 10m every year for the last ten years cant afford that

A nice big warehouse in west dublin will do them

B.A._Baracus

She wants to double it? What a wan*er thing to say.
Of all the self-serving things I have heard this ranks up as one of the most.

Permabear

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CoolHandBandit

The obvious answer is to make it a subscription service and people who want it can pay for it. Why is this being ignored by both RTE and the government?

Skatedude

Earthhorse wrote: »

I would regard satellite as watching TV. Do you seriously tell people you were watching satellite last night? Everything else you mention can be done on monitors.

Again, nothing to do with RTE, and netflix and streaming is still watching tv, I still watch tv all the time, I just dont use a tv to do so and haven't for many years. But rte is still living in the last century in regard to broadcasting, expecting everyone to support them , even if they don't use any of their services, or want them.

Under their rules i should be paying for a licence because I have a small tv as my cctv monitor. and they want me to pay double to see if anyone is breaking into my house?

Ps, I do actually have a licence, just paying it has absolutely nothing to do with rte.

Venom

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

The obvious answer is to make it a subscription service and people who want it can pay for it. Why is this being ignored by both RTE and the government?

Because they know bugger all people would pay for it.

Capt'n Midnight

Venom wrote: »

Because they know bugger all people would pay for it.

Yeah, so how would that work for people who subscribe to SKY or Virgin or Eir or Vodafone etc. ?

Which is most people.

bladespin

Earthhorse wrote:

Sure but you then have to pay a TV license for having a TV.

I do, no problem with that, my problem is with the fee being used largely to subsidise rte, more so seeking a rise to prop up it's corpse.

Venom

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Yeah, so how would that work for people who subscribe to SKY or Virgin or Eir or Vodafone etc. ?

Which is most people.

Are you asking why people are ok paying a subscription fee for a service they want and use while trying to equate it to the current outdated system we have with the license fee, where RTE gets money just because you own a TV regardless if you use/watch/listen to any of their services or not?

Earthhorse

Skatedude wrote: »

Again, nothing to do with RTE, and netflix and streaming is still watching tv, I still watch tv all the time, I just dont use a tv to do so and haven't for many years. But rte is still living in the last century in regard to broadcasting, expecting everyone to support them , even if they don't use any of their services, or want them.

Under their rules i should be paying for a licence because I have a small tv as my cctv monitor. and they want me to pay double to see if anyone is breaking into my house?

Ps, I do actually have a licence, just paying it has absolutely nothing to do with rte.

I am not sure what your post has to do with anything I've said.

If you are using a TV for CCTV then you are in a tiny minority of people who need to pay a license for that reason.

Capt'n Midnight

Venom wrote: »

Are you asking why people are ok paying a subscription fee for a service they want and use while trying to equate it to the current outdated system we have with the license fee, where RTE gets money just because you own a TV regardless if you use/watch/listen to any of their services or not?

If RTE were to charge than anyone on a subscription service would get that charge lumped on. So for most people there would be no overall change.

Anyway the licence isn't just for RTE. Any broadcaster who makes Irish content can apply for funding.


And besides the licence for the right to own a device that could receive a broadcast TV signal rather than for RTE. ( and there's less loopholes than in the UK )

bladespin

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Anyway the licence isn't just for RTE. Any broadcaster who makes Irish content can apply for funding.

True but RTE gets the lions share, sometimes justified but more often not.
Personally I'd be much more in favor if there was a group of indys funded from the pot rather than the 'state broadcaster' and the rest, who knows what we're missing out on becasue once they've gobbled their share there's f-all left.

q2ice

masculinist wrote: »

Smile while you get shafted and yes more please or else youre a liar , seems to be your argument. Where would that type of argument get you with anyone on this thread ? Wise up.

People are too time poor to be sitting around on their arses being force fed propaganda. My spare time is spent in the gym or connecting with friends,
I watched our MMA Champ McGregor on the internet. Everything is on the internet .
All breaking news gets to the internet first and thats where I always see it first. RTE often never covers an important story at all. Not at all.
I learned about the Cologne New Years Eve rapes on the internet.
I learned the truth about President Trump on the internet and about the corruption of Hillary Clinton, about the Clinton Foundation , and about the EU failing always to balance their budget , Le Pen , Wilders , Merkel , and so on.

RTE continues to censor current scandals in the same way it never exposed Charles Haughey until he had one foot in a coffin. And it genuflected to the child abusers in the church and kissed their rings. I dont' expect change decades later [in some cases over 60 years later] from that incestuous organization therefore I demand it liquidates. Ireland lacks investigate journalism and RTE does not impartially and independently provide them despite being funded by so much public money for so long. The public interest is not served by RTE.
I learned about the IMF coming to Ireland on the internet . It wasnt on RTE. RTE had a news story at 6 pm back then about a potato farmer ''entrepreneur''. Good thing there was plenty of manure from RTE to help this businessman out.

My daughter watches all her favorite shows streamed from the kids version of YouTube and other child friendly restricted areas.

Do you really think anyone has time these days to sit around while a bunch of overpaid professional liars waffle on about their personal opinions as though their opinions were more important than anyone elses ?

The future of media is interactive with huge dollops of libertarian free speech which treats its audience as adults instead of as commodities and subjects. The only channel I would pay for without much ill feeling is TnG even though I dont' watch that one either but thats just my conservative streak and because a much slimmed down Public TV service consisting of only TnG wouldnt cost hardly anything to run. When conservatives are telling you to go sling your hook , then RTE you're in deep deep trouble.

Let me add in also that the smarter more thoughtful section of the population wont be sitting around being force fed propaganda any longer thanks to the internet. We are far too smart to plan our lives around the restricted timetable set out by RTE, its braindead British soap operas and full on censorship against the public interest. Neither do we wish to support this ''everyone without a TV is guilty'' nonsense.

BY the way. If I want to watch RTE I can watch it on the internet without being legally liable to pay for it. I never do. I havent. Nobody in my household does. Our Irishness comes from our location , our connections, interacting with our neighbours , friends and wider society in general - the way Irishness was for thousands of years before the invention of RTE and its' carefully picked propaganda audiences . RTE doth protest too much. It's irrelevant.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Yeah, so how would that work for people who subscribe to SKY or Virgin or Eir or Vodafone etc. ?

Which is most people.

Surely you mean most people you know.
Most people I know don't have either TV packages. At one point people got the basic TV package to get internet into the house, that isn't the case anymore