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Just had a bit of a barney with a neighbour

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    SAMTALK wrote: »
    Why would OP take a bottle of wine to his neighbour?

    OP did absoutely nothing wrong here.

    1. Asked kids to leave and they came back and had to be asked again to leave OP's property

    2. Parent arrives at door to attack OP without finding out the other side of the story (because as we all know kids will always tell the truth), and then proceeds to kick the door.

    If anyone should be grovelling its the parent with the kids long with him

    The OP had a go at him about his parenting skills before he did that. I think a "go f*** yourself questioning me about my ability to discipline my own children" would be a better response than kicking the door, granted. But for all the aggro in the first post here, the worst that is alleged about the kids is that they stared in a window and leaned on a sill. It's hardly a big deal, it doesn't suggest they are scrotes or whatever else was said about them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Make it non-alcoholic wine though.

    Then have a respectful chat about the situation over a couple of glasses, ending with a mutually acceptable outcome.

    Then, right at the end, say "HAHAHA, it's only non-alcoholic wine you malignant ****" and run out the door.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    I don't recall reading that the OP said FO at all.

    Well he did!
    Specialun wrote: »
    No. the bike was in my lawn. How was i aggressive. I asked them to FO, they came back. When somebody comes to my door looking 4 a barney and having a go am i to offer them a box of butlers chocs and a spa weekend away


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    VonLuck wrote: »
    Well he did!

    It looks like crossed wires and lots of upping the ante.

    I fundamentally disagree with this whole "my castle" stuff. It's bricks and mortar. Kids will be kids, they'll be nosey. Really not worth falling out with a neighbour, and it's so easily mended.

    I guess in my job I've seen neighbours fall out spectacularly, I have seen neighbours throw fortunes at legal battles, years of feuding, physical confrontations, lots of posturing and "I can't take this on my doorstep"/"he can't walk all over us" type talk. I remember one client who lost over 200k in costs after fighting a battle over an extension going a metre into neighbouring lands. He then came to me and asked would I have advised anything different, I gave him the "I'd have told you to go round with a bottle of whiskey and 2 glasses to your neighbour of 30 years"...and he said that in all the people telling him to go for injunctions and fire out writs and appeal and not to take it...not one person had suggested that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,264 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    VonLuck wrote: »
    Well he did!

    Thanks for pointing that out. However my original opinion still stands. The OP did nothing wrong. Some of the sanctimonious crap on this thread highlights some of the reasons kids grow up to be out of control A-holes. Then they become convicts, solicitors and politicians.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    Some of the sanctimonious crap on this thread highlights some of the reasons kids grow up to be out of control A-holes.

    Yes. A combination of leaning on their neighbours windowsill and posts on an anonymous forum will ruin the next generation...:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Good on you OP. The amount of rubbish being spouted on this thread about being 'abusive' to the kids - get a grip.

    Kids get away with far too much these days, with little or no discipline from their parents. I would have told them the second time to get the 'f**k off my lawn' - is that 'abusive'? :rolleyes:

    I see I with the kids around our neighbourhood. The parents let them run wild and couldn't give a **** what they get up to.
    Specialun wrote: »
    So i was up stairs an hour ago and i could hear my dog going nuts barking..a ran down, opened the door to see 3 kids staring in my living room window..they were actually leaning on the window sill. I went out a said go away..10 mins later its off again..i stormed out and shouted at them " i said go away, this isnt your house and get off my lawn" . I caught a kids bike and pushed it back into the middle of the green

    15 mins later i hear my door bell and its my neighbour

    "What gets you off shouting at my kids" is what im greeted with
    " they were on my lawn twice pal, this is my house and not there playground" says I
    " you have no right to raise your voice at my kids" says he
    Im a bit pissed off now so I says " listen her pal dont come to my door mouthing off. Wouldnt it be more in line if you disciplined the kids. You dont own this green and they shouldnt be on my lawn. Now go away "

    He this boots my front door and storms off

    What a massive dick.

    Have you had any instances like this. Are your neighbours dicks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Good on you OP. The amount of rubbish being spouted on this thread about being 'abusive' to the kids - get a grip.

    Kids get away with far too much these days, with little or no discipline from their parents. I would have told them the second time to get the 'f**k off my lawn' - is that 'abusive'? :rolleyes:

    I see I with the kids around our neighbourhood. The parents let them run wild and couldn't give a **** what they get up to.

    Yes it is.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Good on you OP. The amount of rubbish being spouted on this thread about being 'abusive' to the kids - get a grip.

    Kids get away with far too much these days, with little or no discipline from their parents. I would have told them the second time to get the 'f**k off my lawn' - is that 'abusive'? :rolleyes:

    The OP told the kids to "f*** off" the first time. The kids were looking in a window. If my neighbours kids were outside my house looking in, I wouldn't tell them to "f*** off" the first time. I'd probably laugh it off. There is no right reaction of course, just different strokes for different folks I guess.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,715 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    I remember knick knocking on neighbour's doors and running away - climbing on neighbour's walls and been shouted at - getting the ball burst if it went into a particularly pissed off neighbour's flowers etc - basically being part of a group of little rips and often getting chastised for it.

    Some would say kids will be kids and they invariably will be - but the OP's post makes me very glad I live in the middle of nowhere and the only thing that wanders into my garden is a fox or a badger! I wouldn't have any patience for other people's children hanging around, annoying me and certainly not for the conflict of their narky parents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,264 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Yes. A combination of leaning on their neighbours windowsill and posts on an anonymous forum will ruin the next generation...:)

    Simplify it all you like.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Sensitive much?
    Yes it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Some people are going on like these are curious toddlers who don't know what they are doing. At 10-12 they know well what they can and can't do. It is their parents responsibility to teach them to respect others, their properties and know boundaries.

    Also, you will be aware that kids of this age are involved in petty crimes, including vandalism, theft and burglary.

    Not everyone sees their home as bricks and mortar, we were brought up to work and strive to own your own home, you would be safe, no one could take it away from you.

    I work hard for what I have and I'm not going to give a Bottle of wine and an apology to someone who abuses me and damages my property. That's just common sense to me, . Maybe it's a council house mentality, but that's how I was brought up, I will be polite to neighbours, but I wont Be a pushover.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    It looks like crossed wires and lots of upping the ante.

    I fundamentally disagree with this whole "my castle" stuff. It's bricks and mortar. Kids will be kids, they'll be nosey. Really not worth falling out with a neighbour, and it's so easily mended.

    I guess in my job I've seen neighbours fall out spectacularly, I have seen neighbours throw fortunes at legal battles, years of feuding, physical confrontations, lots of posturing and "I can't take this on my doorstep"/"he can't walk all over us" type talk. I remember one client who lost over 200k in costs after fighting a battle over an extension going a metre into neighbouring lands. He then came to me and asked would I have advised anything different, I gave him the "I'd have told you to go round with a bottle of whiskey and 2 glasses to your neighbour of 30 years"...and he said that in all the people telling him to go for injunctions and fire out writs and appeal and not to take it...not one person had suggested that.

    That would be a lovely solution but nightmare neighbours aren't always so easy turned into friends. I have Neanderthal Man for a neighbour. He doesn't wish to be on good terms. Some people are aggressive by default. I think both parties are a bit hotheaded for their own good. What are the chances of either climbing down off their high horses?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Sensitive much?

    No


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    Thanks for pointing that out. However my original opinion still stands. The OP did nothing wrong. Some of the sanctimonious crap on this thread highlights some of the reasons kids grow up to be out of control A-holes. Then they become convicts, solicitors and politicians.

    I'd understand if this is a regular occurrence, but if these kids were just behaving innocently (we were all curious when we were young), then I don't see any reason to tell them to FO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    anewme wrote: »
    Some people are going on like these are curious toddlers who don't know what they are doing. At 10-12 they know well what they can and can't do. It is their parents responsibility to teach them to respect others, their properties and know boundaries.

    Also, you will be aware that kids of this age are involved in petty crimes, including vandalism, theft and burglary.

    Not everyone sees their home as bricks and mortar, we were brought up to work and strive to own your own home, you would be safe, no one could take it away from you.

    I work hard for what I have and I'm not going to give a Bottle of wine and an apology to someone who abuses me and damages my property. That's just common sense to me, . Maybe it's a council house mentality, but that's how I was brought up, I will be polite to neighbours, but I wont Be a pushover.

    Or they could have been just looking at his dog.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,264 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    VonLuck wrote: »
    I'd understand if this is a regular occurrence, but if these kids were just behaving innocently (we were all curious when we were young), then I don't see any reason to tell them to FO.

    The reaction of their father says it all, regardless of being told how he should discipline his kids. Kicking a door? Says it all really. I was innocent once. I was curious too. Never went onto a property without an invite. I have a 9 year old daughter, who wouldn't dare step into a neighbours property to peer in a window at a dog or anything else. This thread is littered with justification and enabling of kids behaviour that isn't right. At the same time its trying to undermine the OP for uttering the words Fcuk Off! He/she was right and if I was told a similar story by my daughter, I'd tell her, serves you right. The next time I'd see that neighbour I'd discuss it in a reasonable fashion, without the macho man BS.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    The OP had a go at him about his parenting skills before he did that. I think a "go f*** yourself questioning me about my ability to discipline my own children" would be a better response than kicking the door, granted. But for all the aggro in the first post here, the worst that is alleged about the kids is that they stared in a window and leaned on a sill. It's hardly a big deal, it doesn't suggest they are scrotes or whatever else was said about them.

    Twice.

    What's interesting is not what the kids did, but how they and their parents reacted when accosted.

    Kids will be kids. I lived on the edge of an estate in Dublin. Although our house was older than the estate. Just behind us was an even older house with an acre of back garden with some apple trees.

    That's going to attract the youth. So we would try to steal the apples in season.

    An old man lived there, generally he didn't react or notice, but he knew me by sight. One say he did catch us, or got close enough to shout at us and wave his stick while we scampered over the wall.

    Here's what didn't happen.

    I didn't go home and tell my folks that the nasty old man whose apples we were stealing from his property shouted at us. My dad didn't upon hearing this go straight to the old man's house and give him a bollocking for shouting at me. He didn't kick the door.

    Here's what did happen.

    The old man complained. I got the bollocking. Was grounded. Told that I shouldn't be in other people's property etc.

    So yeh, kids were kids. But we had parents who reprimanded us for tresspass not the other way around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Or they could have been just looking at his dog.

    They could, and I'm not saying for one minute that these particular kids were up to no good, but the fact is that not all Kids of that age are innocent little children who don't know right From wrong and to believe otherwise is very naive of on people's behalf.

    The dog was going nuts, obviously distressed, it's the Op's house, he does not want people looking in the window distressing the dog. The neighbours need to teach their kids boundaries. Otherwise, a lot worse will happen than being told to F off by what they see as a narky owlfella.

    And mark my words, the Da will kick the wrong door, where not everyone will offer an apology and a bottle of wine as a response.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    The reaction of their father says it all, regardless of being told how he should discipline his kids. Kicking a door? Says it all really. I was innocent once. I was curious too. Never went onto a property without an invite. I have a 9 year old daughter, who wouldn't dare step into a neighbours property to peer in a window at a dog or anything else. This thread is littered with justification and enabling of kids behaviour that isn't right. At the same time its trying to undermine the OP for uttering the words Fcuk Off! He/she was right and if I was told a similar story by my daughter, I'd tell her, serves you right. The next time I'd see that neighbour I'd discuss it in a reasonable fashion, without the macho man BS.

    But the kicking of the door happened after the kids looked in the window, so how can you justify telling the kids to FO beforehand? There must have been some other reason or past interaction that made him get aggressive from the get go.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭__Alex__


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    Thanks for pointing that out. However my original opinion still stands. The OP did nothing wrong. Some of the sanctimonious crap on this thread highlights some of the reasons kids grow up to be out of control A-holes. Then they become convicts, solicitors and politicians.

    "Oh sure, NOW he's just a little boy stealing little toys. But some day he'll be a grown man, stealing stadiums and... quarries"

    535300.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    VonLuck wrote: »
    But the kicking of the door happened after the kids looked in the window, so how can you justify telling the kids to FO beforehand? There must have been some other reason or past interaction that made him get aggressive from the get go.

    I would not see a big mystery?

    He said the dog was going nuts. Dog barking can go through your head.

    The dog barking was probably going through the op's head and seeing the kids making the dog go mad would be enough for the op to tell them to F off to stop the noise.

    Then they come back and it all kicks off again.

    You can't blame him for being annoyed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,264 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    VonLuck wrote: »
    But the kicking of the door happened after the kids looked in the window, so how can you justify telling the kids to FO beforehand? There must have been some other reason or past interaction that made him get aggressive from the get go.

    Well then you explore that particular possibility with the OP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭__Alex__


    But for all the aggro in the first post here, the worst that is alleged about the kids is that they stared in a window and leaned on a sill. It's hardly a big deal, it doesn't suggest they are scrotes or whatever else was said about them.
    Yes. A combination of leaning on their neighbours windowsill and posts on an anonymous forum will ruin the next generation...:)

    Yes, for all the big talk on this thread, this just doesn't seem like that big a deal. We don't even know what these kids are like. I can't imagine myself getting mad at some smiley kid. Maybe it's because I grew up in a very laid back rural community. And all this nonsense about "kids these days, out of control". Please. If anything, children are restricted to their homes far more now than when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s.

    Also, I agree that the OP wasn't abusive to the kids. But in the same vein, a kick isn't going to damage a front door and if it does, that's not a very good front door and you need something stronger to protect your homestead. So will people shtop with the "criminal damage" nonsense. That's every bit as melodramatic as saying that the OP was abusive to the kids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,264 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    __Alex__ wrote: »
    Yes, for all the big talk on this thread, this just doesn't seem like that big a deal. We don't even know what these kids are like. I can't imagine myself getting mad at some smiley kid. Maybe it's because I grew up in a very laid back rural community. And all this nonsense about "kids these days, out of control". Please. If anything, children are restricted to their homes far more now than when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s.

    Quite possibly that is the reason you can't relate to this. Was your childhood home set back from the laneway/small road? Were you surrounded by other one off houses? Or did you live in a small housing estate in that laid back rural community where everyone knew each other and worked locally?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭__Alex__


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    Quite possibly that is the reason you can't relate to this. Was your childhood home set back from the laneway/small road? Were you surrounded by other one off houses? Or did you live in a small housing estate in that laid back rural community where everyone knew each other and worked locally?

    We had a lot of houses around. A hamlet, if you will. And we were always going into our neighbours' houses as kids to say hello and kids coming into our garden. It was very normal. None of this trepassing nonsense. They're children. It's all very melodramatic. We don't even know what these kids are like. A lot of empty big talk in this thread that I can see. Stuff that people wouldn't actually do in reality. It doesn't really matter if the OP knows the kids or not. It was just a very hostile way to act towards them unless they were causing trouble. My cousins grew up in a large town and their street was much the same. And don't get me started on the dramatics of "This is why kids are out of control these days". This is probably the most isolated generation of children ever, certainly more isolated than a generation ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    __Alex__ wrote: »
    Also, I agree that the OP wasn't abusive to the kids. But in the same vein, a kick isn't going to damage a front door and if it does, that's not a very good front door and you need something stronger to protect your homestead. So will people shtop with the "criminal damage" nonsense. That's every bit as melodramatic as saying that the OP was abusive to the kids.

    It's not acceptable in any way to kick a persons front door.

    It's threatening, intimidation and bullying so stop sugar coating it.

    And without being smart, for these of us who live in a Celtic tiger built home, a good kick from a strong man could do damage.

    In the estate next to me two houses were broken into in broad daylight by kicking in the front door. The Gardai said two kicks and they were in because the doors are rubbish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭__Alex__


    anewme wrote: »
    It's not acceptable in any way to kick a persons front door.

    Of course it's not. But only to the most litigious of folk is it criminal damage. Do you want to be one of those crazy lawsuit people? Do you? Because calling throwing a kick to a front door criminal damage makes you one of them. You've gone to the dark side.

    If someone threw a kick at my front door, I'd be laughing at how silly they've just made themselves look.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    Telling kids to go away is one thing. Telling them to fúck off is something else entirely. I would be pissed off if some grown man told a child of mine to fúck off.

    And OP you are "that guy" now, the grumpy bollox lives there - he's easy to take a rise out of. Well done.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭__Alex__


    ^^^^

    Yes, telling children to fuck off is terribly classless. Rise above it, people, even if they ARE brats.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭kittensmittens


    anewme wrote: »
    Not always...there were two sets of people....those who had just cause...and those(who in the words of my Dad should have a dress on(i.e. Would call about kids fighting even though their own kids were as bad as everyone else's)

    Said incident occurred when one moaning neighbour called to the house when the Dad was in work and only the Mam was at home. He proceeded to rant about everyone else's kids and got quite abusive to the woman(said a curse!) think he banged in the side glass as well. . Now, that was seen as just disgraceful. Abusing a woman at her own front door while her husband was in work ? Not the done thing.

    Having been given short shrift by the woman, the neighbour made the big mistake of calling back when the husband came home. He got planted into next week week by the husband, "call to the door and abuse a woman(big man!) ". Well you won't abuse MY wife in MY House.

    No Gards involved, no solicitors , and everyone just went back to normal.

    Anyone that was know to be a constant tormentor of kids was duly ignored by parents in the most part and if they became a nuisance were to to, in the most uncertain terms "not to be darkening the door with stupidity".
    Worked both ways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    __Alex__ wrote: »
    Of course it's not. But only to the most litigious of folk is it criminal damage. Do you want to be one of those crazy lawsuit people? Do you? Because calling throwing a kick to a front door criminal damage makes you one of them. You've gone to the dark side.

    If someone threw a kick at my front door, I'd be laughing at how silly they've just made themselves look.

    Well, personally Id look at it more seriously than laughing because as a woman living alone I'd not tolerate a man kicking at my front door in any way shape or form and would be reporting it as the threatening behaviour that it is and expect it to be dealt with as such.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    [QUOTE=kittensmittens;102920285 "not to be darkening the door with stupidity".
    .[/QUOTE]

    "Don't darken this door again"..was the exact words my Granny used!

    That's just taken me back!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭kittensmittens


    anewme wrote: »
    "Don't darken this door again"..was the exact words my Granny used!

    That's just taken me back!

    Grannys are great :) Mine is sadly gone many a year but she was a wonderful and formidable woman


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    The OP had a go at him about his parenting skills before he did that. I think a "go f*** yourself questioning me about my ability to discipline my own children" would be a better response than kicking the door, granted. But for all the aggro in the first post here, the worst that is alleged about the kids is that they stared in a window and leaned on a sill. It's hardly a big deal, it doesn't suggest they are scrotes or whatever else was said about them.

    Wondering if you have ever lived on an estate etc?

    And the problem was that the kids were asked to leave his property and came back. It is that that started this. Not an isolated leaning on a windowsill.. They gave cheek and came back . No respect for privacy or property


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    It looks like crossed wires and lots of upping the ante.

    I fundamentally disagree with this whole "my castle" stuff. It's bricks and mortar. Kids will be kids, they'll be nosey. Really not worth falling out with a neighbour, and it's so easily mended.

    I guess in my job I've seen neighbours fall out spectacularly, I have seen neighbours throw fortunes at legal battles, years of feuding, physical confrontations, lots of posturing and "I can't take this on my doorstep"/"he can't walk all over us" type talk. I remember one client who lost over 200k in costs after fighting a battle over an extension going a metre into neighbouring lands. He then came to me and asked would I have advised anything different, I gave him the "I'd have told you to go round with a bottle of whiskey and 2 glasses to your neighbour of 30 years"...and he said that in all the people telling him to go for injunctions and fire out writs and appeal and not to take it...not one person had suggested that.

    Privacy? Sure they will be nosey but they need to respect also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    The OP told the kids to "f*** off" the first time. The kids were looking in a window. If my neighbours kids were outside my house looking in, I wouldn't tell them to "f*** off" the first time. I'd probably laugh it off. There is no right reaction of course, just different strokes for different folks I guess.

    Has it not happened to you then? The kids were in his garden with no reason or purpose other than to annoy and disturb .

    And they probably hear a lot worse from dad :rolleyes::eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    That would be a lovely solution but nightmare neighbours aren't always so easy turned into friends. I have Neanderthal Man for a neighbour. He doesn't wish to be on good terms. Some people are aggressive by default. I think both parties are a bit hotheaded for their own good. What are the chances of either climbing down off their high horses?

    What a wonderful description!

    Been there; mine was over 80 though.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Jack the Stripper


    Is op still riding neighbour?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭__Alex__


    anewme wrote: »
    Well, personally Id look at it more seriously than laughing because as a woman living alone I'd not tolerate a man kicking at my front door in any way shape or form and would be reporting it as the threatening behaviour that it is and expect it to be dealt with as such.

    I'd imagine if it was ascertained WHY he came over to your house as in the OP, it wouldn't be taken too seriously. It would be treated as a civil matter as it wouldn't be one-sided.


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    Graces7 wrote: »
    And the problem was that the kids were asked to leave his property and came back.

    For accuracy, kids were told by a an adult to "f*** off" and came back.
    Graces7 wrote: »
    Has it not happened to you then? The kids were in his garden with no reason or purpose other than to annoy and disturb .

    And they probably hear a lot worse from dad :rolleyes::eek:

    I just wouldn't swear at children like that. As I said, I'd probably laugh at it and think, Jesus, what if they saw me doing something stupid like playing air guitar or dashing out of the shower for a towel. Sure, if they actually did something wrong on my property, egged a window or something, I'd get annoyed. But not for looking in a window. It just wouldn't bother me like it bothers some.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Adults...not swearing enough at children who wander onto property...is why society "is going down the pan"...

    Well don't understate it anyway!

    This place needs that laughing with tears emoticon you get on Facebook...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    __Alex__ wrote: »
    I'd imagine if it was ascertained WHY he came over to your house as in the OP, it wouldn't be taken too seriously. It would be treated as a civil matter as it wouldn't be one-sided.

    Sorry, but it wouldn't be taken as a civil matter.

    if I give out to kids for being on my property does not change the fact that it's illegal for you to damage my property.

    They are separate incidents.

    You can't just damage people's property or threaten them, these are offences


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Adults...not swearing enough at children who wander onto property...is why society "is going down the pan"...

    Well don't understate it anyway!

    This place needs that laughing with tears emoticon you get on Facebook...

    Most of your posts on this thread are virtue signalling. "Wouldn't bother me mate. I'm liberal on the children staring into my house".

    Great, but not everybody is. The op isn't. Women generally aren't. (And don't put it past young lads to be voyeurs). The old aren't.

    However the main problem here isn't the kids but the parents. Bring told his children were trespassing why did the neighbour get angry with the op? A curse? Big deal?


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    Most of your posts on this thread are virtue signalling. "Wouldn't bother me mate. I'm liberal on the children staring into my house".

    :D

    We've done the "if you don't swear at kids, society goes down the pan" stuff, we have moved to the "not swearing at kids and clearing them off your property is liberal virtue signalling nonsense".

    Do you want to go back, edit your post, and squeeze in something about the "PC brigade"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    :D

    We've done the "if you don't swear at kids, society goes down the pan" stuff, we have moved to the "not swearing at kids and clearing them off your property is liberal virtue signalling nonsense".

    Do you want to go back, edit your post, and squeeze in something about the "PC brigade"?

    Do you want to stop engaging in straw men?

    I'll stop accusations of virtue signalling when you stop engaging in virtue singnalling. nobody cares that you are OK with kids trespassing. That's your business. Most people aren't.

    The thread isn't just about the tresspass but the subsequent events. The idea that it's the shouting at the trespassers is worse than the tresspass, that the parents of the kid get to come over and kick your door.

    You might get that neighbour some wine, I doubt it, but it's not going to appeal to most people, so it's irrelevant


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Do you want to stop engaging in straw men?

    I'll stop accusations of virtue signalling when you stop engaging in virtue singnalling.

    You seem to be getting more excited and focussed on me? Relax, deal with the thread.

    Look, I have no doubt you'd swear at kids. And maybe give them a shoe along the way. But don't assume everyone is angry and defensive about their 300 square metres of land. As I said, I'd laugh it off. If kids being kids makes others angry, that's their right, neither response is "more right"...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,733 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    OP -

    The way I see it is this.

    Your house, your rules.

    You want to tell them to FO, then tell them.

    Your neighbor has a problem with that? Then they shouldn't let their kids wander into your house.

    Your neighbor is having a go at you? Should be apologizing.

    Should be having a go at himself / herself for not having a clue where their kids are.

    A lot worse could happen to kids wandering onto someone's property than being to told to FO. But they haven't given that any consideration.

    If its one thing that annoys me, its the parents that just let the kids wander wherever they please and never monitor them or keep an eye on them.


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