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05-03-2017 07:23PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

was impressed with that McHugh lad at 15. Showed for ball, got a couple of scores. Looks a good prospect. Will he be around come championship?

His father is a Swinford man. Would likely start for Mayo if we had him. Murphy/Donegal and the Brogans/Dublin also Mayo stock, we seem to export our best forwards so he'll probably turn into a star.

Gael85 · 05-03-2017 07:38PM

Noddyholder wrote: »

Where is the lad from then ?

Kerry?

Kavrocks · 05-03-2017 09:39PM

Despite what everybody is saying I thought Coldrick had a good game. McLoughlin deserved the line though. He didn't deserve a red but he did deserve at least a black if not more for stuff that happened right under Coldrick's nose.

I was very disappointed in the football game last night. It was disgusting to watch and the only thought I had coming out was Mayo didn't look like they wanted to play football. They looked like they just wanted to punch, pull and antagonise Dublin. Most of it was so expertly done that you can't help but wonder is that what they are actually being taught to do in training.

I thought the hurlers were fantastic though and deserved at least a draw. If Maguire had been in goal and a different referee (Johnny Ryan never gives us anything) I think it would have been a completely different game. With that said in the last 10 minutes when it counted Waterford won every puck out and 50/50 ball to see out the game.

That's 2 good performances in a row, even if Ger Cunningham won't admit it. I think we can definitely take Clare and possibly sneak it against Kilkenny to stay up. With the Cuala lads back we could push for another Leinster title or All-Ireland semi-final. I'm willing to give Ger the year to see if he can keep the consistency going and help us build.

Bonniedog · 05-03-2017 09:44PM

I thought football was good enough, but you are right. The kitchen sink will be thrown at Dublin this year. Murphy's gbh on Fenton last year is indication of what is likely to happen and if they have the right ref then they will get away with it.

On other hand. The days when teams could kick Dublin off the pitch are long gone. Heffo learned that lesson and no Dublin team is going to lie down in front of that. that's why they need certain chaps who have the ruthlessness and the slyness to punish offenders. That's one of main reasons they serially beat them fkers from the west.

gormdubhgorm · 05-03-2017 09:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

His father is a Swinford man. Would likely start for Mayo if we had him. Murphy/Donegal and the Brogans/Dublin also Mayo stock, we seem to export our best forwards so he'll probably turn into a star.

If you had all those players Mayo would probably play them in the full back line, or the half back line!

I think Mayo are better off sticking to hurling, at least they would be the best team in Connacht, now that Galway play in Leinster.

TCDStudent1 · 05-03-2017 10:56PM

Kavrocks wrote: »

Despite what everybody is saying I thought Coldrick had a good game. McLoughlin deserved the line though. He didn't deserve a red but he did deserve at least a black if not more for stuff that happened right under Coldrick's nose.

I was very disappointed in the football game last night. It was disgusting to watch and the only thought I had coming out was Mayo didn't look like they wanted to play football. They looked like they just wanted to punch, pull and antagonise Dublin. Most of it was so expertly done that you can't help but wonder is that what they are actually being taught to do in training.

I thought the hurlers were fantastic though and deserved at least a draw. If Maguire had been in goal and a different referee (Johnny Ryan never gives us anything) I think it would have been a completely different game. With that said in the last 10 minutes when it counted Waterford won every puck out and 50/50 ball to see out the game.

That's 2 good performances in a row, even if Ger Cunningham won't admit it. I think we can definitely take Clare and possibly sneak it against Kilkenny to stay up. With the Cuala lads back we could push for another Leinster title or All-Ireland semi-final. I'm willing to give Ger the year to see if he can keep the consistency going and help us build.

What did mcloughlin do? I don't recall anything....

The fan beside me (a neutral) reckoned that Higgins was very lucky to stay on for his part in the shemozle just before HT. I didn't see what he did though, got a yellow for whatever it was

Stoner · 05-03-2017 10:57PM

LuckyLloyd wrote:

So the record is tied if Dublin avoid defeat next weekend, right? Do people here care much about it?

Don't care about it either. We were a bit lucky against Tyrone, the two draws mask over it a bit.

Kavrocks · 05-03-2017 11:22PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

What did mcloughlin do? I don't recall anything....

There were a lot of body checks off the ball and jumping on players as they were running for the ball. As I said, most of it was expertly done but there were two definite black cards for body collisions right under the referee.

MayoAreMagic · 06-03-2017 12:29AM

Stoner wrote: »

Ahhh every county has their fair share of idiots. If you were actually from Mayo some of your posts might just underline that fact to me, but it's not the case.
This Dublin and Mayo supporters get on fine. Possibly better than most. The regular goodwill challenge games between the two county boards over the years point to that, along with some genuine goodwill between some of the posters here. It's good to focus on the positives in our sport.

What are you talking about? A) Im from mayo. B)sorry but you are supposed to be a mod yet you are clearly commenting in the poster there and not the post, and incorrectly at that...

Re mayo and dublin fans getting along. Listen, who are you trying to kid? Go over onto the hill 16 facebook page, or indeed any comment section from the mayo-dublin game and you will see what they think of each other. A lot more than 'just a few idiots'.

PARlance · 06-03-2017 12:44AM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

What are you talking about? A) Im from mayo. B)sorry but you are supposed to be a mod yet you are clearly commenting in the poster there and not the post, and incorrectly at that...

Re mayo and dublin fans getting along. Listen, who are you trying to kid? Go over onto the hill 16 facebook page, or indeed any comment section from the mayo-dublin game and you will see what they think of each other. A lot more than 'just a few idiots'.

That's because you're judging it from looking online... it's generally where the idiots hang out (not so much on here but still a fair few).

Our own "banter" page can be an embarrassment a lot of the time. Plenty of goodwill between the 2 counties in real life. At the same time, it would be nice if we gave them a few real reasons to create a bit of an edge.

MayoAreMagic · 06-03-2017 01:05AM

PARlance wrote: »

That's because you're judging it from looking online... it's generally where the idiots hang out (not so much on here but still a fair few).

Our own "banter" page can be an embarrassment a lot of the time. Plenty of goodwill between the 2 counties in real life. At the same time, it would be nice if we gave them a few real reasons to create a bit of an edge.

No im not. Ive attended 90% of the games between the two teams over the last 10 years. Its not just online. At yesterdays game i heard everything and anything mayo related being lambasted from lots of different dublin fans, and with such ferocity, while getting no response from opposing mayo fans. Be it enda kenny (?), inbreds, thick ignorant culchies, and more nasty personalised type stuff that i couldnt post. This was from start to finish...
It doesnt make me angry, it more makes me sad, even confused as to why this attitude is so prevalent. There just seems to be a distinct lack of respect, sportsmanship and decency there.

PARlance · 06-03-2017 01:13AM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

No im not. Ive attended 90% of the games between the two teams over the last 10 years. Its not just online. At yesterdays game i heard everything and anything mayo related being lambasted from lots of different dublin fans, and with such ferocity, while getting no response from opposing mayo fans. Be it enda kenny (?), inbreds, thick ignorant culchies, and more nasty personalised type stuff that i couldnt post. This was from start to finish...
It doesnt make me angry, it more makes me sad, even confused as to why this attitude is so prevalent. There just seems to be a distinct lack of respect, sportsmanship and decency there.

Well I was stuck in the Hill for the replay and out of the thousands surrounding me, it was 3 Mayo idiots that stood out. Shouting all kinds of immature crap and these lads were late 20's / early 30's. I can't say there was too much cringe worthy stuff apart from that.

But you do have a point, I just don't think it a big problem. It is creeping into the game / supporters more and more though. I blame Social Media, it has started to creep into real life.

corny · 06-03-2017 06:40AM

Let's not kid ourselves Dublin are well up for the off the ball nonsense. Paul Flynn doing his best to rile Colm Boyle, McMahon upsetting all and sundry, everyone body checking dangerous runners. It mightn't be a game plan with Dublin (as in we'd probably prefer an open, free flowing game) but if it comes to it we wouldn't be multiple AI winners if we hadn't learned how to fight fire with fire.

I can think of loads of games where Dublin were awfully cynical. Mayo semi 2015 and last year against Kerry impeding their runners come to mind.

blanch152 · 06-03-2017 10:02AM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

No im not. Ive attended 90% of the games between the two teams over the last 10 years. Its not just online. At yesterdays game i heard everything and anything mayo related being lambasted from lots of different dublin fans, and with such ferocity, while getting no response from opposing mayo fans. Be it enda kenny (?), inbreds, thick ignorant culchies, and more nasty personalised type stuff that i couldnt post. This was from start to finish...
It doesnt make me angry, it more makes me sad, even confused as to why this attitude is so prevalent. There just seems to be a distinct lack of respect, sportsmanship and decency there.

I don't think there is a lack of sportsmanship and decency among Dublin supporters. When they travel they bring more colour than most and more fun and money.

A lack of respect for Mayo could be explained by Mayo's recent run against Dublin, with no wins in 11 games, there may well be a certain arrogance among some Dublin supporters when we play Mayo. Not my way of shouting at games but it is understandable given the Mayo record.

MayoAreMagic · 06-03-2017 11:25AM

blanch152 wrote: »

I don't think there is a lack of sportsmanship and decency among Dublin supporters. When they travel they bring more colour than most and more fun and money.

A lack of respect for Mayo could be explained by Mayo's recent run against Dublin, with no wins in 11 games, there may well be a certain arrogance among some Dublin supporters when we play Mayo. Not my way of shouting at games but it is understandable given the Mayo record.

Im not talking about a lack of respect for the football team, Im talking about a lack of respect for the people in general. Im fully aware people get wound up at matches, but this wasnt that - the game was a dead rubber before halftime. Like the type of insults that were flying at the most run of the mill foul out on the field, was actually unbelievable - right up to the last few minutes. In a dead rubber game, clearly there is something else going on when that is the case.
The football seemed to be an excuse to hurl abuse at people they didn't like - and that is who the insults were aimed at, not the players but the entire population. No abuse was coming back their way, yet it continued from start to finish. It got me wondering - replace the word mayo with black and how would that sound.

This isn't the first time and it wont be the last. So Im trying to have an adult conversation about it.
Now Im not saying mayo fans are saints by any means. But to me, they generally seem to be acting in a reactionary manner. The booing of rock's free for example; clearly a reaction to every C O'C free being booed.

Dyr · 06-03-2017 11:38AM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

, yet it continued from start to finish. It got me wondering - replace the word mayo with black and how would that sound.

Have Mayo achieved ethnic status now?

I didn't hear a dickie bird that was out of order at the match.

Tombo2001 · 06-03-2017 11:42AM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Im not talking about a lack of respect for the football team, Im talking about a lack of respect for the people in general. Im fully aware people get wound up at matches, but this wasnt that - the game was a dead rubber before halftime. Like the type of insults that were flying at the most run of the mill foul out on the field, was actually unbelievable - right up to the last few minutes. In a dead rubber game, clearly there is something else going on when that is the case.
The football seemed to be an excuse to hurl abuse at people they didn't like - and that is who the insults were aimed at, not the players but the entire population. No abuse was coming back their way, yet it continued from start to finish. It got me wondering - replace the word mayo with black and how would that sound.

This isn't the first time and it wont be the last. So Im trying to have an adult conversation about it.
Now Im not saying mayo fans are saints by any means. But to me, they generally seem to be acting in a reactionary manner. The booing of rock's free for example; clearly a reaction to every C O'C free being booed.

I'm a neutral - from neither county; and was at the game.

Think you are being a bit over the top here. In your own words, you are trying to have an adult conversation here, so be an adult about it and see it for what it is; a bit of craic.

Do you really think that any of the Dublin fans in the hill wouldn't be quite happy to sit down and have a pint with a Mayo fan after the game. There is no real malice in it.

Not sure what you mean by a dead rubber game - a dead rubber is a game that counts for nothing; I doubt very much that Mayo management see the league as a nothing competition. The game could potentially have swung back to Mayo up until the 50th minute or so.

You mighnt like the booing from the hill - however you could say that at least it means that Mayo is respected enough as an opponent that they get a reaction. Would it be worse if beating Mayo was something that the Dubs take for granted?

MayoAreMagic · 06-03-2017 11:56AM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I'm a neutral - from neither county; and was at the game.

Think you are being a bit over the top here. In your own words, you are trying to have an adult conversation here, so be an adult about it and see it for what it is; a bit of craic.

Do you really think that any of the Dublin fans in the hill wouldn't be quite happy to sit down and have a pint with a Mayo fan after the game. There is no real malice in it.

Not sure what you mean by a dead rubber game - a dead rubber is a game that counts for nothing; I doubt very much that Mayo management see the league as a nothing competition. The game could potentially have swung back to Mayo up until the 50th minute or so.

You mighnt like the booing from the hill - however you could say that at least it means that Mayo is respected enough as an opponent that they get a reaction. Would it be worse if beating Mayo was something that the Dubs take for granted?

You aren't listening to what I am saying. Any foul were awarded - 'you pack of dirty fn inbred cs'. Any foul that went against mayo - good man deano/mick/etc etc, show them useless fn scumbag kn***ers'. Any mayo wide, big cheer followed by similar tirade, etc etc. From start to finish, game long since decided. Not just one or two, maybe 20 different sources.

Mothers and kids sitting there listening to it. There was an old lad over from me who was visibly insulted and afraid. That isn't a bit of craic, it is disgusting and makes me feel ashamed.

Im not trying to start a big long argument here. Im just calling it how it was. How anyone could be trying to class that stuff as a bit of craic I will never know.

Tombo2001 · 06-03-2017 11:57AM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

You aren't listening to what I am saying. Any foul were awarded - 'you pack of dirty fn inbred cs'. Any foul that went against mayo - good man deano/mick/etc etc, show them useless fn scumbag kn***ers'. Any mayo wide, big cheer followed by similar tirade, etc etc. From start to finish, game long since decided. Not just one or two, maybe 20 different sources.

Mothers and kids sitting there listening to it. There was an old lad over from me who was visibly insulted and afraid. That isn't a bit of craic, it is disgusting and makes me feel ashamed.

Im not trying to start a big long argument here. Im just calling it how it was. How anyone could be trying to class that stuff as a bit of craic I will never know.

Maybe I am completely deaf but I didn't hear anything like that even once during the game....

sorry :-)

Edit: I'm not completely deaf. Plus, I bring my kids to the game - If I was hearing anything like that any more than once or twice during a match, I wouldn't be bringing them.

MayoAreMagic · 06-03-2017 11:57AM

Bambi wrote: »

Have Mayo achieved ethnic status now?

I didn't hear a dickie bird that was out of order at the match.

Why would you need an ethnic status for that to be deemed unacceptable behaviour? It is hate based on where someone is from or the different upbringing they have had or life they live.

Past30Now · 06-03-2017 12:03PM

DoctaDee wrote: »

The one surprising thing to me is that there's no Castleknock lads involved, could be that there's no one eligible I suppose....

Only seeing this now!

One of the difficulties with being a young club is the inconsistencies between years. The team that won Feile hurling in 2007 are all 24 later this year. 11 of the starting 15 in the Senior Champ Final came from the juvenile section of the club, and all were 1993 boys or younger.

There are a few lads in the years above and below those teams who have represented the club at inter-county level. At juvenile level we have a lot of representation at county and development squads, but there is the odd gap. We've a couple of very good footballers in the minor panels this year. Hopefully as the years go on, we'll have a more consistent presence on the likes of the U21 panels in both codes.

Tombo2001 · 06-03-2017 12:06PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Why would you need an ethnic status for that to be deemed unacceptable behaviour? It is hate based on where someone is from or the different upbringing they have had or life they live.

It would be unacceptable if it happened - I was at the match, and it certainly didn't happen anywhere near me.

You were at the match - why didn't you inform the stewards about it and make a proper complaint. I really don't see what your point is in coming on to Dublin Gaa forum an boards to raise it as an issue. What do you hope to achieve - raise awareness amongst the 10-12 people who will read your post?

Tombo2001 · 06-03-2017 12:11PM

Past30Now wrote: »

Only seeing this now!

One of the difficulties with being a young club is the inconsistencies between years. The team that won Feile hurling in 2007 are all 24 later this year. 11 of the starting 15 in the Senior Champ Final came from the juvenile section of the club, and all were 1993 boys or younger.

There are a few lads in the years above and below those teams who have represented the club at inter-county level. At juvenile level we have a lot of representation at county and development squads, but there is the odd gap. We've a couple of very good footballers in the minor panels this year. Hopefully as the years go on, we'll have a more consistent presence on the likes of the U21 panels in both codes.

I'd say its an issue with being a smaller club rather than a younger club; having said that I don't know how big castleknock is.

Its hard to say why one year is better than another; it can be down to the mentors as much as the players.

Possibly its also to do with streaming - you get 30 kids streamed into two groups, versus say 120 kids streamed into 6 groups; then the best of the larger group is playing with what is a much better team with much higher standards of play.

Bonniedog · 06-03-2017 12:26PM

I have to say that in 40 years going to games I have hardly ever seen the type of abuse claimed here, either on the Hill or anywhere else. My daughter and her friend were called "knackers" by a Mayo supporter who claimed to be a school teacher of all things! on Hill at 2013 final. In fairness the rest of people she was with were embarrassed by this. No one reacted abusively to her.

Worst incidents I ever experienced were in 80s on the Hill but that was between rival gangs of Dubs. Was in Omagh in 2005 and had the car kicked and shaken when we were leaving! Not making excuses for it, but it is fantasy to imagine that there is any sort of serious tensions between GAA supporters beyond the normal back and forth you get even at club games.

Joekers · 06-03-2017 12:27PM

Believe me Mayo fans can give as good as they get when they want maybe the fact they knew they were in for a beating after 10 mins of play didn't give them a leg to stand on

but even at that I had a woman sitting behind me in the hogan saying all sorts of not so lovely stuff about O'Gara she probably just didn't want to say it too load with the fact Mayo were getting played off the park

Tombo2001 · 06-03-2017 12:32PM

Just once I've seen an 'incident' - that was Kerry v Monaghan about ten years ago where Monaghan were ahead in a QF and Kerry did their usual turn the style on with ten minutes to go......Monaghan lad was mouthing off all game; and when Kerry went ahead, some Kerry fan made a smart remark - Monaghan guy lost the plot completely, up out of his seat, roaring at your man.......couldn't control himself.

As regards behaviour described above; only seen it once - time Galway beat Kilkenny in the Leinster final......20 years of hurt came out in the form of some fairly aggressive language from a bunch of Galway lads in front of us.

No excuse for behaviour in either case (though alcohol a big factor in both); and in both cases stewards intervened.

TCDStudent1 · 06-03-2017 12:35PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

I have to say that in 40 years going to games I have hardly ever seen the type of abuse claimed here, either on the Hill or anywhere else. My daughter and her friend were called "knackers" by a Mayo supporter who claimed to be a school teacher of all things! on Hill at 2013 final. In fairness the rest of people she was with were embarrassed by this. No one reacted abusively to her.

Worst incidents I ever experienced were in 80s on the Hill but that was between rival gangs of Dubs. Was in Omagh in 2005 and had the car kicked and shaken when we were leaving! Not making excuses for it, but it is fantasy to imagine that there is any sort of serious tensions between GAA supporters beyond the normal back and forth you get even at club games.

This would be my experience too. I have seen people trade words alright but nothing like what has been mentioned in previous few posts.

The worst incident I saw was on the hill at Tipp - Galway hurling semi final a couple of years ago where Tipp fans threw bottles at Galway fans at final whistle. The guards intervened. That is certainly an exceptional instance from the games I have attended. And I defitinely wouldnt say Galway and Tipp fans dont get along because of that one experience.

blanch152 · 06-03-2017 12:40PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

You aren't listening to what I am saying. Any foul were awarded - 'you pack of dirty fn inbred cs'. Any foul that went against mayo - good man deano/mick/etc etc, show them useless fn scumbag kn***ers'. Any mayo wide, big cheer followed by similar tirade, etc etc. From start to finish, game long since decided. Not just one or two, maybe 20 different sources.

Mothers and kids sitting there listening to it. There was an old lad over from me who was visibly insulted and afraid. That isn't a bit of craic, it is disgusting and makes me feel ashamed.

Im not trying to start a big long argument here. Im just calling it how it was. How anyone could be trying to class that stuff as a bit of craic I will never know.

The only time I heard anything like that (in 40 years of going to GAA games) was last year at the Kerry league game from two Kerry supporters in front of me. Older men too, I asked them to stop and was given a tirade of abuse. Now I have lots of Kerry friends and none of them are like that, it was just a once-off.

I think you were either singularly unfortunate to meet those supporters, or else you attract that kind through your own rhetoric or you are making it up. Not sure which.

corny · 06-03-2017 12:47PM

I'll add my tale of woe. Had a Waterford chap to one side of me denouncing the Dubs every chance he got. In fairness to him he thought he was being playful but could easily have started a row if someone felt inclined.

The other side of me i had a Dublin girl who was the lowest of the low. ****ing pits of society stuff. Wouldn't shut up about O'Gara. 'Poison, ****ing scumbag, wanker, etc'.....this was when he wasn't in possession now. Imagine her reaction when he kicked into touch when clean through on goal. She kept coughing on me too. ****ing tramp. Been waiting to get that rant out of my system.:pac:

Tombo2001 · 06-03-2017 01:01PM

corny wrote: »

I'll add my tale of woe. Had a Waterford chap to one side of me denouncing the Dubs every chance he got. In fairness to him he thought he was being playful but could easily have started a row if someone felt inclined.

The other side of me i had a Dublin girl who was the lowest of the low. ****ing pits of society stuff. Wouldn't shut up about O'Gara. 'Poison, ****ing scumbag, wanker, etc'.....this was when he wasn't in possession now. Imagine her reaction when he kicked into touch when clean through on goal. She kept coughing on me too. ****ing tramp. Been waiting to get that rant out of my system.:pac:

If we could move on slightly from yer wan; and talk about O'Gara.

Now O'Gara did fire way wide (ok over the sideline) from 6 yards out.

Against that - Dublin had 4 goal chances when he was playing, and he was involved in all of those. Yes two he hit wide himself but he was in the right place and in a position to take the chances. They had no goal chances when he went off, apart from the penalty, and despite Dublin being out of sight on the scoreboard. Dublin haven't been prolific goal scorers.

Felt sorry for him when he hit the ball out over the sideline, his head went down a bit after that and he started playing deeper; crowd reaction didn't help. But he definitely brings an option that I don't see anyone else on the team bringing, unless you move Fenton to full forward, which wont happen.

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