Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

mickmackmcgoo · 04-03-2017 12:49PM

tomwaterford wrote:

Thomas ryan has had dozens of chances at inter county....must be knocking arounf with 7-8 years and has never taken them??

mountgomery burns wrote:

As for the team on Saturday, Brian O Halloran deserves to start after his impact the last day but Tommy Ryan is like the Andy Reid of Waterford GAA the last two weeks or so. Same fellas suggesting he start probably lambasted him after Cork 2012. Maybe they've forgotten...

My point is that If Tomas Ryan and others are deemed good enough to be on the panel then they should be getting their chance to start in the league just like others got their chance against Tipp last time. If they don't take their chance so be it but they should be getting a start to prove their worth

ThaiTanic · 04-03-2017 04:07PM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

I reckon some people are jealous, maybe they were never picked by Derek for the Harty cup panel in school and it irkes them now to see the more talented boys make it at senior county level

I didnt even go to DLS you tit. I for one wont be suprised if Ger Cunningham targets Daniels and Dublin run us close. Dublin +3 with the bookmakers looks a good bet. Hope im wrong

dubcat51 · 04-03-2017 04:38PM

I was at the cirk v dublin game.waterfird -3 very good bet for me.cork full back line were awful.lucky first goal for dublun changed the game.dublin pucjed out to conroy at right half fwd who had a height advantage over coleman.cork never changed anyone onto him and paid the price.dublin not as good as the scoreline.

carq · 04-03-2017 06:13PM

waterford wasteful already, 3 bad wides

Full forward line struggling to win ball

ThaiTanic · 04-03-2017 06:39PM

Waterford lucky to be within 2 points at halftime, their sleepover at carton house dosent look to have done them much good. Dublin missing easy frees and our lucky goal from mahonys free is the only reason we are still in touch. Could be down 7-8 points at this stage easy.

Daniels a liability as I've always said, useless and on a yellow.

Big second half needed

PTH2009 · 04-03-2017 06:39PM

Dublin have there homework done

Daniels is going to get send off

ThaiTanic · 04-03-2017 07:24PM

Pet Dilion is on for his cameo appearance

ThaiTanic · 04-03-2017 07:31PM

Much better second half from Waterford, Aussie and TDB really came into it. Stevie had a good game and poached two goals and also hit two points. Mahony was good on frees, for me man of the match was Shane Fives, brilliant 70 mins from him.

Daniels was always a liability and just isn't good enough simple as that.

PTH2009 · 04-03-2017 07:43PM

Happy with the win but we need to improve a lot. Dublin's wides and giving away 2 careless goals cost them the game. Maurice looked good when he came on,

We're not safe from the relagation but a win over cork next weekend will seal a QF place

Horseboxhead · 04-03-2017 07:50PM

the difference was 5 min before half time , Brick dropped deep and protected our half back line, First half looked dead, again when teams play in that pocket in front of De Burca, always causes us problems, poor game, Connors very unusual for first goal,We, again did not play well , but two wins, Typical Dublin side, just don't have enough hurling, willing enough, but when Waterford upped the intensity matched that, were just better , but still we look like a team in pre season, Stephen Bennett second half, was a plus took his two goals well, but against a better side, Curran and Bennett will be wasted playing like that. thing of Nothing, two win's though, Quarter final now, i can see us struggling all this league, just a feeling.

cul beag · 04-03-2017 07:56PM

Much better in the second half. Shane Fives excellent throughout. Still created no goal scoring opportunity only for 2 fortunate breaks in each half. Agree about Daniels and again Conor Gleeson found out under a stronger opponent. Moran was excellent in the second half as was Stephen Bennett but for God's sake what the f**k is the point in bringing in Dillon? What does Thomas Ryan have to do? Curran was very disappointing as was Jamie Barron but we'll be at least in a semi final now as we'll account for Cork next week so that will see us with a handy enough q/final. TDB cleaned in the first half but as we condensed the spare around him in the second half he powered into the game.

Dick phelan · 04-03-2017 08:27PM

Delighted to get the win very poor first half,Dublin played well but didn't make their advantage count on the scoreboard first half. Fives, TDB, Bennett were excellent, Gleeson and Brick came in to it in the 2nd half Mahony solid as always. Daniels isn't good enough to play top level intercounty hurling and probably never will be. Again hitting a lot of wides some of them bad wides. Great that we should be safe from relegation for another year but still lots to work on.

KevIRL · 04-03-2017 10:22PM

By my reckoning cork beating Kk tomorrow would suit us. Would leave kk on 0 and Dublin on 2 points with them still to play each other. If we were to finish on a level points total with either we'd get the higher league placing based on the head to head result.

PTH2009 · 04-03-2017 10:59PM

KevIRL wrote: »

By my reckoning cork beating Kk tomorrow would suit us. Would leave kk on 0 and Dublin on 2 points with them still to play each other. If we were to finish on a level points total with either we'd get the higher league placing based on the head to head result.

Can't see Kilkenny losing 2morrow, they will be fired up but this is a crazy league and anything can happen
Qf
1St 1A vs 4th 1B
2nd 1A vs 3rd 1B
3rd 1A vs 2nd 1B
4th 1A vs 1st 1B

2nd/3rd or 4th for us means a QF vs one of Wexford/Limerick or Galway.

We got 4 points in 2014 and didn't qualify for the QFs so we could still not make it this year if we lose to both Cork and Clare

chinguetti · 05-03-2017 12:03AM

I was at the match and Waterford were poor in the first half but played better in the second half but God, Dublin were poor. You'ld wonder what are Cork up to at all.

We were gifted a goal by a really poor goalkeeper but our forwards were left isolated again for large periods. Our passing was very sloppy at times, driving the ball anywhere without trying to find a man is criminal. You would wonder what they are training for at all if they don't look to find a man.

Playing a two man forward line gives us some chance of winning the ball (the start of the second half) but the one man forward line is nuts. Twice in the second half, we had 14 men inside the Dublin half and we won the ball, drove it out and Dublin worked it back in and scored a point. A better side than the Dubs would have being further ahead by half time and wouldn't have coughed up a soft goal.

PTH2009 · 05-03-2017 12:22AM

Anyway Good to win, but overall disappointing. It does appear that management are not learning. Shane Bennett needs a break, and a refocus. He clearly has the talent, but seems to spend each game chasing 3/2.on 1's. I believe there is more in him, if given the right role. Great to see Stephen Bennett do damage and Maurice coming on. Still need to be more positive approach ( I know it's rich from me!).

Deskjockey · 05-03-2017 01:05AM

A poor game of rugby today. This one man FF line thing is some ****e

Bonniedog · 05-03-2017 03:43AM

Horseboxhead wrote: »

Typical Dublin side, just don't have enough hurling, .

Usual nonsense. Some hurling gene in Waterford is there

We've won as much as you in last 60 years. Cop on.

Oh, and we have a football team

Fact is if Dublin had a full team they'd have won handily. Now, ponder that .....

Deiseen · 05-03-2017 08:08AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Horseboxhead wrote: »

Typical Dublin side, just don't have enough hurling, .

Usual nonsense. Some hurling gene in Waterford is there

We've won as much as you in last 60 years. Cop on.

Oh, and we have a football team

Fact is if Dublin had a full team they'd have won handily. Now, ponder that .....

But ya didn't win... Ya lost by 5 points..... With us playing poorly..... And with 14 of our players in our own half for a good portion of the game..... Ponder that

robopaddy2 · 05-03-2017 10:16AM

I would be reasonably pleased with that win, knowing that it is still barely March and we'll be a different side in the summer. The main positives from last night was bouncing back from the Tipp defeat with a win in Croke Park, the second half application of the players, and the big one for me, the performance of Stephen Bennett. I think we finally saw him come of age in the senior jersey, just hope he can stay injury free and drive on now for the year ahead.

But we need more from some of the other forwards. Curran in particular. Mahony from open play aswell can offer more. I agree with the poster who said Shane Bennett needs a rest. We need a fully fit and fully focused Maurice aswell. It was encouraging to see him come in a score a point. Brick Walsh can't keep carrying the can forever. Himself and Moran work so hard I get the feeling sometimes players seem to stand back and wait for them to do the donkey work. The first half I thought Dublin were the more aggressive and we were sluggish, but the second half we stepped up the intensity and Dublin didn't really seem to fancy it when it was put up to them. I get a feeling that Dublin side is pretty flaky, I wouldn't be too worried about meeting them later in the championship. Defensively we were ok. Shane Fives was outstanding again, as was TDB. People are giving out about Daniels but I didn't think he did too badly. He can be too rash and he showed that in the KK game aswell. Noel Connors for me is a bigger worry. He was error prone tonight and looks slow anytime he is exposed. Conor Gleeson showed up well in times but I think hes better in the fullback line at the moment, a bit raw to be out midfield. I think he should be seriously considered at corner back instead of Noelie the next day. But we have good options coming off the bench so competition for places should be strong. With the first half performance though you wouldn't have thought so.
Onwards and upwards

mountgomery burns · 05-03-2017 11:11AM

I was at the game, anyone saying there was 14 in our own half for half the game wasn't at the game or wasn't watching. There was two in the full forward line for practically the whole game, and plenty of space to exploit. But the forwards were terrible for most of the game, and I think some peoples tendency to jump straight to blame tactics is giving them an easy way out.

They were a lot better second half, when you see how bad the first touch was in the first half I think its fair to say whatever the preparation were yesterday did not rank highly on the years targets but still a win.

I don't like singling anyone out either, but the difficulties Barry Coughlan had with Ryan O Dwyer was very concering.

Fred C Dobbs · 05-03-2017 11:36AM

Some misc. observations from last night .....

atmosphere in 1st half was very subdued, like a practice match really but intensified as the crowd starting to come in for the football ; this was a bit like our last match, i.e. while Tipp were in control that day, if some incidents had gone the other way, the result could have been different - last night, the Dublin free taker was a bundle of nerves (missed at least 3 very scoreable frees), secondly their goalie presented Stephen Bennett with a gift and you know there's only going to be one outcome in that scenario ;

Most of the players on Fitzgibbon duty have been a bit flat so far in the league - interesting that Jim Gavin said after his game that you wouldn't ask a greyhound to turn out as much as these lads ;

a few good tussles between Aussie and Liam Rushe, each knocking the other to the ground within the space of a few minutes - two real warriors ; finally, could and should Shane Fives be given the full back role ?

redlead · 05-03-2017 11:43AM

Very disappointing to see us revert to the usual self destruct mode in the last ten minutes. I.e build up a strong lead and then try your best to throw it away. I have a lot of respect for McGrath but he still hasn't accepted that parking the bus in hurling doesn't work. It's just stupid play! There is no chance of us getting to an all Ireland final if we keep this up. Overall it's hard complain when you're winning but we really do play a horrible brand of hurling. I don't see that changing in the foreseeable future I'm afraid.

chookieourlaw · 05-03-2017 11:47AM

Find it difficult to understand the optimism of some after Dublin game. Yes, it's great to see SB scoring 2-2 and it's positive to see us grinding out a win, but those goals, although well taken, only arose because of very poor defensive mistakes and they were the difference in the end. IMO a full Dublin team with all Cuala players would've beaten us. Also, we went 24 mins with only one point from play. This, coupled with a lack of scoring spread across the team - only five players scored - is a trend that has been too often replicated over the last year or so. This just won't cut the the mustard come championship.

chinguetti · 05-03-2017 12:28PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

I was at the game, anyone saying there was 14 in our own half for half the game wasn't at the game or wasn't watching. There was two in the full forward line for practically the whole game, and plenty of space to exploit.

Not sure if this is regarding my post last night but they did change from a 2 man forward line to one the further the second half went on. Whether the players do this without thinking or by plan once we're ahead, worries me. I was there and I was watching the match.

As an aside, I stayed to watch the football too. To see Dublin defend in mass and then attack at pace is very impressive to watch.

mountgomery burns · 05-03-2017 12:29PM

chinguetti wrote: »

Not sure if this is regarding my post last night but they did change from a 2 man forward line to one the further the second half went on. Whether the players do this without thinking or by plan once we're ahead, worries me. I was there and I was watching the match.

As an aside, I stayed to watch the football too. To see Dublin defend in mass and then attack at pace is very impressive to watch.

No wasn't in response to your post. They did drop deeper nearing the end of the match, but to be fair the biggest concerns I had by far on yesterdays showing was the first 35 minutes.

PTH2009 · 05-03-2017 01:04PM

chinguetti wrote: »

Not sure if this is regarding my post last night but they did change from a 2 man forward line to one the further the second half went on. Whether the players do this without thinking or by plan once we're ahead, worries me. I was there and I was watching the match.

As an aside, I stayed to watch the football too. To see Dublin defend in mass and then attack at pace is very impressive to watch.

Stayed for the first half of the football amazing play from Dublin but mayo struggled

I'd say if the Waterford footballers played Dublin it would be a horror show but it's amazing were playing westmeath today who played in the last 2 Leinster finals

TheScoringGoal · 05-03-2017 02:46PM

My biggest concern was our half forward line was cleaned out for 20 mins in the first half. In fairness Brick in particular came more into it but it was a concern. I'd have moved Austin Gleeson up a bit further to get under more puck outs. He was steady in the first half but I thought he was excellent in the second.

Is O Regan now the number one? To be fair he's done well. The one aspect he falls a bit short is his puck out isn't as long as the other top goalkeepers.

chookieourlaw · 05-03-2017 04:39PM

Rumours of Kilkenny's demise have been greatly exaggerated! How they are able to parachute in complete unknowns that play brilliantly on their debuts is frightening. Paddy Deegan at midfield excellent against Cork. Richie Leahy in half forwards also very good. Extremely hard to compete against that.

PTH2009 · 05-03-2017 04:49PM

Footballers lost 3-13- 2-11 too Westmeath, we're down 1-7-0-01 at one stage

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