Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

MilesMorales1 · 19-02-2017 06:49PM

32gb (or 25.9) is fine for Zelda, probably up to Mario Kart, Arms, or Splatoon even, depending on how many games you buy. VC games are small, and indie digital games don't tend to take up huge amounts of space either.

CiDeRmAn · 19-02-2017 06:59PM

The 32GB on board the WiiU was fine for a while too.
The immediate outlay doesn't have to be astronomical, unless you are planning to be purchasing an entirely digital games library, in which case just buy a 128GB card to begin with.

MilesMorales1 · 19-02-2017 07:16PM

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Apparently symths aren't guaranteeing for day one either. So close...

MilesMorales1 · 19-02-2017 07:46PM

Nintendo was the only console brand that generated substantial buzz around its TV ads in the last 30 days — and generate buzz, it did. It captured nearly half of the gaming industry’s digital share of voice and was closely followed by Top Games Inc. Overall, during the period measured, 27 brands spent an estimated $61.6 million running 67 spots over 16,700 times on national television, generating almost 1.9 billion TV ad impressions. As expected, brands that shelled out for Super Bowl ads saw big boosts in conversation.

http://venturebeat.com/2017/02/19/nintendo-dominated-super-bowl-gaming-buzz/

CastorTroy · 19-02-2017 07:47PM

I've said before that there are people complaining about price for a console that's announced weeks or months in advance but then some of these same people queue up to pay 600-800 for a new phone announced with a week's notice.

Nollog · 19-02-2017 07:48PM

A Chinese person has toredown a switch. It's an x1.

Edit already posted by this guy

Corholio wrote: »

Photos of a Switch being taken apart have been put online. I haven't much technical know how on chips etc so only going what people are saying about it on other sites. The battery seems as big as they could have put in though.

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4988497063?red_tag=1794578248

I didn't see it over you all attacking people for saying there's a lot of extras to buy.

CastorTroy · 19-02-2017 07:55PM

So you're saying they're selling the insides separately as well? :pac:

mayordenis · 19-02-2017 07:55PM

/\/ollog wrote: »

I didn't see it over you all attacking people for saying there's a lot of extras to buy.

Jesus wept

Corholio · 19-02-2017 07:55PM

/\/ollog wrote: »

A Chinese person has toredown a switch. It's an x1.

Edit already posted by this guy

I didn't see it over you all attacking people for saying there's a lot of extras to buy.

Attacking?

Inviere · 19-02-2017 08:04PM

mayordenis wrote: »

if you believe not having external HDD support from day 1 is a step too far then fair enough, but I genuinely can't see the logic.

I wouldn't call it a step too far, not at all, I feel the console will before long become a "must have". As a user though that'll likely never remove the Switch from the dock, it's a tad frustrating that I've to buy small capacity and expensive card memory to increase the storage, rather than simply using a nice, cheap portable 2TB external drive. I accept I'd be in the minority in terms of how I'd use the Switch, but I was hoping Nintendo wouldn't favour any particular side of their hybrid approach.

Personally though, I feel Nintendo are going to play the waiting game on the matter - if they find people are complaining and running out of storage very quickly, I wouldn't be surprised if they enable HDD support in the future via an update. If people are happy to use card memory, they'll likely save the r&d time and not bother with the external drive route. I suppose it's important to note it's not as simple as just enabling support, they'd need to considerably alter the system security, implement a content management system, and a few other bits & bobs.

I will harken back though to the point of hacking consoles, and the likes of the hacked PS3 and 360 consoles could all use external storage for games LONG before the manufacturer allowed it. I personally feel it'd be wise for Ninty to implement it before someone else does

CiDeRmAn · 19-02-2017 08:06PM

Corholio wrote: »

Attacking?

I think the word should probably be "debating"

Ultimately there is a lot to spend money on, if you want to.
If you want to play BotW to begin with, you should be spending no more than €390.
That's kinda the minimum right now.

But it's all about choice, the choice of how much you have to spend and does it represent value.
As adults we have to pull on our big boy pants and decide for just ourselves if that means getting a Switch at launch or waiting a few months.

Buying a Switch in September will mean a console that costs about the same, but the games will be available for less in CEX and there'll be more of them. Also, a 128/256GB will be probably a bit cheaper too.
And, while you wait, you can play through that back catalogue of WiiU games and BotW too.

CiDeRmAn · 19-02-2017 08:08PM

Inviere wrote: »

I wouldn't call it a step too far, not at all, I feel the console will before long become a "must have". As a user though that'll likely never remove the Switch from the dock, it's a tad frustrating that I've to buy small capacity and expensive card memory to increase the storage, rather than simply using a nice, cheap portable 2TB external drive. I accept I'd be in the minority in terms of how I'd use the Switch, but I was hoping Nintendo wouldn't favour any particular side of their hybrid approach.

Personally though, I feel Nintendo are going to play the waiting game on the matter - if they find people are complaining and running out of storage very quickly, I wouldn't be surprised if they enable HDD support in the future via an update. If people are happy to use card memory, they'll likely save the r&d time and not bother with the external drive route. I suppose it's important to note it's not as simple as just enabling support, they'd need to considerably alter the system security, implement a content management system, and a few other bits & bobs.

I will harken back though to the point of hacking consoles, and the likes of the hacked PS3 and 360 consoles could all use external storage for games LONG before the manufacturer allowed it. I personally feel it'd be wise for Ninty to implement it before someone else does

Perhaps the 32GB Switch will go the way of the 20GB PS3 in time.
As SSD storage gets cheaper over time the available Switch consoles will expand in terms of storage and we'll have a 250GB device with us in a year or two.

Corholio · 19-02-2017 08:14PM

The Switch apparently already supports external HDD but Nintendo haven't enabled the option. I guess switching back and forth between TV and Handheld/Tabletop mode may be a problem with transferring everything to the handheld to keep on playing and half defeating the whole pick up and go attraction of it. I'm sure some sort of compromise could be made though, especially as more and more games are released.

Flaccus · 19-02-2017 08:18PM

Don't think I will bother with the Joycon charging grip because when I'm not playing, the screen will be in the cradle with the joycons attached. It's more important to be able to charge the switch/joycons when outdoors so a portable batter is more important I think.

Incidentally, an surprised there is only 1 chancer so far selling a preorder for 650 euro!!
http://www.adverts.ie/nintendo/nintendo-switch-console-grey-limited/12326110

RasTa · 19-02-2017 08:24PM

Is there much footage of BOTW running on the Wii-u?

Both launch on the same day, March 3.
Both have a frame rate of 30fps.
Both versions of the game offer the same content.
On a TV, the Nintendo Switch version of the game renders in 900p while the Wii U version renders in 720p.
The Nintendo Switch version has higher-quality environmental sounds. As a result, the sound of steps, water, grass, etc. are more realistic and enhance the game’s Open-Air feel.
The physical copy of the Wii U version will require 3GB of available memory on the Wii U system or an external drive.
Some icons, such as onscreen buttons, differ between the two versions.
A Special Edition and Master Edition of the Wii U version are not available.

I'm no paying €500 for a few more pixels. Could Mario Oddessy run on the Wii-u?

sligeach · 19-02-2017 08:39PM

Another thing that could eat all your storage on day 1 is if there's VC. Or if there's a system transfer from Wii U/3DS to Switch. We really should be able to login on the Switch and it knows all your previous purchases thanks to your NNID, for you to then reupload from the eShop. There should be no cumbersome transfer methods. Leave the existing games where they are on existing platforms. Then there's the issue of game save files. How would they transfer? Yet more in the myriad of questions we have.

Digital Solitude · 19-02-2017 09:01PM

RasTa wrote: »

Is there much footage of BOTW running on the Wii-u?

I'm no paying €500 for a few more pixels. Could Mario Oddessy run on the Wii-u?

Poor effort with the €500, yes it would probably run on aWiiU, no, it probably won't be released on it though

Nollog · 19-02-2017 09:04PM

Attacking was a strong word yes. But since January Nintendo fans here and on the subreddit have gone super "us or them" mode

I miss the good old wiiu days where we laughed at people coming here and saying "lol Nintendo" or whatever instead of engaging them.

RasTa · 19-02-2017 09:04PM

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Poor effort with the €500, yes it would probably run on aWiiU, no, it probably won't be released on it though

Well as I said before this isn't a new console and the different in performance for Zelda confirms this for me.

They have put the Wii-u inside a new gamepad and adjusted a few things.

I'm off traveling for 6 months on the 3rd of March too

MilesMorales1 · 19-02-2017 09:11PM

RasTa wrote: »

Well as I said before this isn't a new console and the different in performance for Zelda confirms this for me.

They have put the Wii-u inside a new gamepad and adjusted a few things.

I'm off traveling for 6 months on the 3rd of March too

But also it is a new console. Good try though.

Corholio · 19-02-2017 09:16PM

/\/ollog wrote: »

Attacking was a strong word yes. But since January Nintendo fans here and on the subreddit have gone super "us or them" mode

I miss the good old wiiu days where we laughed at people coming here and saying "lol Nintendo" or whatever instead of engaging them.

I think that's a little one sided if I'm honest. If only some did just say 'lol Nintendo'. There's been plenty of discussion about it from both sides, and mostly it's been fine but you can clearly see those who are just looking to get a reaction, and that's par for the course on most forums I guess, but it's unfortunate that someone trying to discuss with them would be seen as 'us vs them'.

earthwormjack · 19-02-2017 09:26PM

RasTa wrote: »

Well as I said before this isn't a new console and the different in performance for Zelda confirms this for me.

They have put the Wii-u inside a new gamepad and adjusted a few things.

I'm off traveling for 6 months on the 3rd of March too

But it is a new console, it's also much more powerful than a Wii U. Especially when docked.

Nice to see they squeezed as much battery in there as possible too.

Digital Solitude · 19-02-2017 09:35PM

earthwormjack wrote: »

Nice to see they squeezed as much battery in there as possible too.

There's something oddly satisfying about opening a tablet and seeing this nice, fat battery starting back at you

LilRedDorcha · 19-02-2017 09:40PM

Found these bad boys at home this weekend, after getting out the DS with phantom hourglass last weekend. That satchel will be accompanying me to the midnight launch in Dundrum. The hype is real

sligeach · 19-02-2017 09:41PM

earthwormjack wrote: »

But it is a new console, it's also much more powerful than a Wii U. Especially when docked.

Nice to see they squeezed as much battery in there as possible too.

Is it though? I haven't seen any evidence yet.

Digital Solitude · 19-02-2017 10:01PM

sligeach wrote: »

Is it though? I haven't seen any evidence yet.

WiiU is reportedly about 600gigaflops, Switch is about 1teraflop (1000gigaflops), so about 165% the power of the WiiU. Nintendo never released the actual value for the WiiU so it's an estimate.

Also, apparently about 10% of the Xbox Ones processing power runs on the OS, so it runs games at about 1.1TF, just 10% faster than the Switch.

From what we've heard about how easy it is to develop for, looks promising for third party support if Nintendo can get a few million shipped this year.

Would it be such a bad idea for Nintendo to give 'compensation' (bribes) to companies to port games over, until they can get 10million or so sold and it won't be a big deal to have third party games coming.

Also Sligeach I'm sorry for being bitchy towards you on the last page it was unnecessary

RasTa · 19-02-2017 10:07PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

But also it is a new console. Good try though.

earthwormjack wrote: »

But it is a new console, it's also much more powerful than a Wii U. Especially when docked.

Nice to see they squeezed as much battery in there as possible too.

Same FPS and 900 v 720p wouldn't indicate a new console to me.

It's the Wii-u-3DSXL-pro

earthwormjack · 19-02-2017 10:09PM

sligeach wrote: »

Is it though? I haven't seen any evidence yet.

It is. Mario Kart going from 720p/60fps to 1080p/60 in the deluxe release for splitscreen. Breath of the Wild running far smoother in handheld mode than the Wii U footage shown so far while having a far superior draw distance and LOD on Switch. Fast racing Neo being bumped up to 1080p for 4 player splitscreen(although this could use dynamic resolution).

These are all 1st wave games. nVidia's API, a more efficient architecture as well as possible pascal improvements integrated into this Tegra chip would have it as a far more powerful machine.

Wii U released as a 176gflop machine 4 1/2 years ago, the Switch will be noticeably more powerful.

Not long to go to find out either way, for good or bad

RasTa wrote: »

Same FPS and 900 v 720p wouldn't indicate a new console to me.

It's the Wii-u-3DSXL-pro

That makes no sense.

CiDeRmAn · 19-02-2017 10:11PM

RasTa wrote: »

Same FPS and 900 v 720p wouldn't indicate a new console to me.

It's the Wii-u-3DSXL-pro

Well, that's your opinion and your entitled to it.

But it is a brand new format, brand new architecture, new OS, new form factor, new capabilities.
It's a new machine.
And people don't have to buy it if they're not convinced.
But they could wait until they see it before making up their minds....

RasTa · 19-02-2017 10:12PM

Mario Kart should be running at 4k if it was a new console

Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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