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  • #102
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    roosky wrote: »
    Thats what I was thinking, so does it pay to go to mart or should i just send them straight to the factory, if the other boys are just doing that?

    Was only selling them to clear the place a bit not for the gold rush they will bring !

    Not a good thing to do, you're unlikely to be caught, but some are caught.

    Shouldn't be writing it up here anyway


  • #103
    roosky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭roosky


    rangler1 wrote: »
    Not a good thing to do, you're unlikely to be caught, but some are caught.

    Shouldn't be writing it up here anyway

    No, I have culls that weren't dosed that i would be sending to factory, wouldn't risk sending anything within a withdrawl......not worth the risk !


  • #104
    farawaygrass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    roosky wrote: »
    hi all,

    I dosed all ewes before scanning with ridafluke which has a 60 day withdrawl.

    I have a few empty ewes that i want to sell but can i sell them within the withdrawl or would anyone buy them knowing they cant be killed until march
    Same situation as me last year with sheep and clik I think it was. I brought them and announced the end of the withdrawal date and the product used to the auctioneer. It was written on the statement when I got the cheque too so I have it in writing too.


  • #105
    Dylan collins
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    any man got good suggestions for what wormer to use for lambs
    -


  • #106
    Lambman
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    Dylan collins wrote: »
    any man got good suggestions for what wormer to use for lambs
    -
    Shouldn't need worming now If done properly I was using different wormer till fluke season then used duotech which supposedly does both but lost a few till fluke so have no faith in it


  • #107
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Just a reminder for lads who haven't already sent off the sheep census and welfare scheme forms, the closing date is next Tuesday so the letters have to be sent by post (registered post if you want proof of postage) on Monday at the latest.


  • #108
    roosky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭roosky


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Just a reminder for lads who haven't already sent off the sheep census and welfare scheme forms, the closing date is next Tuesday so the letters have to be sent by post (registered post if you want proof of postage) on Monday at the latest.

    is there anyway to check online that i am signed up to the sheep scheme, I sent in the forms but just like to get confirmation that all was okay


  • #109
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    roosky wrote: »
    is there anyway to check online that i am signed up to the sheep scheme, I sent in the forms but just like to get confirmation that all was okay
    That I don't know, roosky. I was cleaning out the car today and came across the census and welfare scheme letters, thought I had them posted 2 weeks ago:o


  • #110
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    The handout from yesterday's National sheep conference is in a link in the tweet below. It should pass away a few hours reading.

    https://twitter.com/teagasc/status/826804436005769216


  • #111
    rangler1
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    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    The handout from yesterday's National sheep conference is in a link in the tweet below. It should pass away a few hours reading.

    https://twitter.com/teagasc/status/826804436005769216

    WAS anyone at it, Farmers own story was very good , he brought his gross margin from about 300/ha to about 850/ha in four years and that was even with high mortality due to toxo last year. He's well on target for the 'magic' 1000/ha gross margin.
    He didn't build any extra accomodation but increased his numbers by 100 ewes and lambed the ewe lambs. Ideal subject to show what the Teagascs better farm project can do if they get a farmer that's not afraid of work. don't know if it's the same farmer in Carlow.
    Gottsteins presentation was a bit of crack too, about rearing orphan lambs


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  • #112
    razor8
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    rangler1 wrote: »
    WAS anyone at it, Farmers own story was very good , he brought his gross margin from about 300/ha to about 850/ha in four years and that was even with high mortality due to toxo last year. He's well on target for the 'magic' 1000/ha gross margin.
    He didn't build any extra accomodation but increased his numbers by 100 ewes and lambed the ewe lambs. Ideal subject to show what the Teagascs better farm project can do if they get a farmer that's not afraid of work. don't know if it's the same farmer in Carlow.
    Gottsteins presentation was a bit of crack too, about rearing orphan lambs

    I was at it and thought it very good too. Just shows what of bit of focus and attention can do to bottom line.

    Not a mention or update of the New Zealand sheep in athenry.


  • #113
    razor8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭razor8


    Anyone using smyths of liffords hi milk 19% ewe ration?


  • #114
    Lambman
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    razor8 wrote: »
    Anyone using smyths of liffords hi milk 19% ewe ration?
    Nope but this time next week I will be find smyths feeding stuff very good.


  • #115
    Farrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    Just noticed a springing Ewe with what looks like orf at the back of her teats.
    I don't remember it there when she lambed last year.
    If this is orf, would it be dead, or would it cause infection to the unborn lambs when the suckle


  • #116
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    Farrell wrote: »
    Just noticed a springing Ewe with what looks like orf at the back of her teats.
    I don't remember it there when she lambed last year.
    If this is orf, would it be dead, or would it cause infection to the unborn lambs when the suckle

    is it just a lump on then teat or an open sore


  • #117
    greysides
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    roosky wrote: »
    No, I have culls that weren't dosed that i would be sending to factory, wouldn't risk sending anything within a withdrawl......not worth the risk !

    Good man! The Dept AO's are constantly taking samples.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • #118
    Farrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    rangler1 wrote: »
    is it just a lump on then teat or an open sore
    Looks to be a lump


  • #119
    ganmo
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    Farrell wrote: »
    Looks to be a lump
    I'd say that it's not infectious at this stage whatever it is. BUT I'd be watching her lambs and maybe mark her for culling

    Edit-maybe some sudocreme if it's sore looking


  • #120
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    Farrell wrote: »
    Looks to be a lump

    sometimes a bite on the teat turns into a lump of scar tissue the following year, I'd say that's what you have, most are harmless but an odd one blocks the milk


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  • #121
    390kid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 409 ✭✭390kid


    Have a ewe that lambed Thursday night with triplets. She's making an awful creaking and cracking sound when she goes to get up and lie down? Can anyone shed any light on this for me? I've gave 50 ml of calcium and a life aid to just to be sure.


  • #122
    greysides
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    What age is she?

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • #123
    ganmo
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    Could it be her grinding her teeth?


  • #124
    390kid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 409 ✭✭390kid


    greysides wrote: »
    What age is she?
    She's 2 year old


  • #125
    390kid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 409 ✭✭390kid


    ganmo wrote: »
    Could it be her grinding her teeth?
    No it seems to be the back bones or hips


  • #126
    greysides
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    It sounds like arthritis, unusual in such a young animal. Probably a sign she, and all her offspring, should be culled.

    Give it a couple of weeks to she if she improves. Maybe, just maybe, it could be the effects of the hormone, relaxin, on ligamentous structures around the joints. Its normal role is to relax pelvic connections to facilitate lambing.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



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  • #127
    390kid
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    greysides wrote: »
    It sounds like arthritis, unusual in such a young animal. Probably a sign she, and all her offspring, should be culled.

    Give it a couple of weeks to she if she improves. Maybe, just maybe, it could be the effects of the hormone, relaxin, on ligamentous structures around the joints. Its normal role is to relax pelvic connections to facilitate lambing.
    She's back to normal now no noise since! Good to know about the arthritis it's some I never wuda thought of to watch out for


  • #128
    AntrimGlens
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    I was watching 'The Mart' last night on iplayer and looking at the boys selling the half cheviot ewe lambs. I didn't hear but what were they half bred to? Was it something about a Caithness, or was that the area they lived, they looked very Chevioty to me.
    Anyone?

    The young auctioneer was fairly bricking himself before getting onto the rostrum.. :D


  • #129
    IH784man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 740 ✭✭✭IH784man


    Would running 2 horned ram lambs about 35/40kg along with ewes and lambs be alright?


  • #130
    Lambman
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    IH784man wrote: »
    Would running 2 horned ram lambs about 35/40kg along with ewes and lambs be alright?
    Ewes and lambs as in the ewes have already lambed this year or the ewes yet till lamb and last year's ewe lambs?


  • #131
    stantheman1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭stantheman1979


    I would assume he means this yrs ewes and lambs. I can't see a problem letting 2rams out with them. The pair of them will stick together and won't bother the others.


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  • #132
    IH784man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 740 ✭✭✭IH784man


    This years ewes to lamb,they'll be getting meal together and lambs will be on a creep feeder.Cant see to much damage being done maybe around the creep feeder though.


  • #133
    Ard_MC
    Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Ard_MC


    IH784man wrote: »
    This years ewes to lamb,they'll be getting meal together and lambs will be on a creep feeder.Cant see to much damage being done maybe around the creep feeder though.

    Depend what meal your feeding your ewes..could lead to trouble in the horned ram lambs.


  • #134
    IH784man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 740 ✭✭✭IH784man


    Yea I know about the ewe meals on ram lambs,must check if the one I'm feeding can be fed to ram lambs


  • #135
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    IH784man wrote: »
    Yea I know about the ewe meals on ram lambs,must check if the one I'm feeding can be fed to ram lambs

    You'll need magnesium in it for the ewes after lambing, that won't suit rams.


  • #136
    Ard_MC
    Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Ard_MC


    IH784man wrote: »
    Yea I know about the ewe meals on ram lambs,must check if the one I'm feeding can be fed to ram lambs

    Can you not just separate them...have a few here and if you forget when you're feeding can give you a nice aweakening!


  • #137
    IH784man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 740 ✭✭✭IH784man


    Don't have the numbers for it,Rams easier got in aswell when they're in groups,only reason their still here is because they got away on me while loading the rest


  • #138
    Lambman
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    I wudn look at value off the 2 horned rams of u lose lambs


  • #139
    Username John
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    I know it's a pain with small numbers - but if twas me I wouldn't leave em...

    There is the ration and magnesium element - but the reason I'd separate em is ram lambs can be rough, especially when feeding and wouldn't think twice about puckish a ewe to get at the feed...

    If you had a ewe that lost a lamb, you'd kinda be blaming yourself for it... (well, maybe that's just me, but I would be blaming myself for it, for not taking away the ram lambs)


  • #140
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    Username John wrote: »
    I know it's a pain with small numbers - but if twas me I wouldn't leave em...

    There is the ration and magnesium element - but the reason I'd separate em is ram lambs can be rough, especially when feeding and wouldn't think twice about puckish a ewe to get at the feed...

    If you had a ewe that lost a lamb, you'd kinda be blaming yourself for it... (well, maybe that's just me, but I would be blaming myself for it, for not taking away the ram lambs)

    + 1
    Agreed, I'd be moving them on as well, he could have three hurt before you realise he's pucking them


  • #141
    marathon
    Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭marathon


    How long will it take me to have lambs fit for factory I bought 20 ewes with 30 lambs I have them in shed at minute going let them out to grass next week. They are all around 10 to 12 days old that's the lambs.


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  • #142
    rangler1
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    marathon wrote: »
    How long will it take me to have lambs fit for factory I bought 20 ewes with 30 lambs I have them in shed at minute going let them out to grass next week. They are all around 10 to 12 days old that's the lambs.

    Depends on management from now on, whether they're fed meals, grassland quality, control of parasites, and the quality of the lambs themselves.
    Kept thriving, they could be gone in 12 to 15 weeks, or average growth 6mths and poor management 9-12 mths.
    First priority is giving the ewes enough meals to produce enough milk, especially as they're indoors


  • #143
    marathon
    Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭marathon


    I'm totally new to the sheep but have read up good bit on it I would aim to keep lambs 4 months maximum. Any advise or ways to maximise growth is meal plans etc cheers


  • #144
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    marathon wrote: »
    I'm totally new to the sheep but have read up good bit on it I would aim to keep lambs 4 months maximum. Any advise or ways to maximise growth is meal plans etc cheers

    you'll have to meal feed to get that time frame, start them on a good lamb creep and change over to a good lamb ration when they're eating it well, you'll need a creep feeder to do that, ewes will need a kg/day for about three to four weeks reducing it if there's good grass and as the lambs themselves eat more meal.....lambs will pick at the ewes feed but don't give the ewes feed in the creep feeder, some do that because it's cheaper but then find their lambs dying of kidney stones


  • #145
    marathon
    Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭marathon


    rangler1 wrote: »
    you'll have to meal feed to get that time frame, start them on a good lamb creep and change over to a good lamb ration when they're eating it well, you'll need a creep feeder to do that, ewes will need a kg/day for about three to four weeks reducing it if there's good grass and as the lambs themselves eat more meal.....lambs will pick at the ewes feed but don't give the ewes feed in the creep feeder, some do that because it's cheaper but then find their lambs dying of kidney stones

    Cheers rangler1 all that sounds good advice. I'm open to all good advice cheers again


  • #146
    Farrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    rangler1 wrote: »
    marathon wrote: »
    I'm totally new to the sheep but have read up good bit on it I would aim to keep lambs 4 months maximum. Any advise or ways to maximise growth is meal plans etc cheers

    you'll have to meal feed to get that time frame, start them on a good lamb creep and change over to a good lamb ration when they're eating it well, you'll need a creep feeder to do that, ewes will need a kg/day for about three to four weeks reducing it if there's good grass and as the lambs themselves eat more meal.....lambs will pick at the ewes feed but don't give the ewes feed in the creep feeder, some do that because it's cheaper but then find their lambs dying of kidney stones
    I give Ewe & lamb in the beginning & move over to lamb finisher, should I be wary of not moving early enough


  • #147
    rangler1
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    Farrell wrote: »
    I give Ewe & lamb in the beginning & move over to lamb finisher, should I be wary of not moving early enough

    If its called ewe and lamb it has to be alright, there'd be a warning on the label usually, I'm using ewe ration that isn't suitable for lambs


  • #148
    IH784man
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    Had a ewe due from the 20th on jump a hurdle when I was away,must have got a bad bang because there is a gel like blood lying on the ground,take it the lambs dead,anyone have this happen to them before


  • #149
    charolais0153
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    http://www.sturdyproducts.ie/products/farm-and-equestrian/farm/sturdy-animal-surrogate-feeder
    Is this the sturdy feeder that lads do use. How much is it roughly and how many lambs would it rear?
    I read in older threads about sturdy feeder but not sure if this is the one.


  • #150
    mcgiggles
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    IH784man wrote: »
    Had a ewe due from the 20th on jump a hurdle when I was away,must have got a bad bang because there is a gel like blood lying on the ground,take it the lambs dead,anyone have this happen to them before
    Had a ewe do the same when we were dosing them. Nothing from her since but keeping watch on her. Anything with your one since? could it have been the start of the waterbag?


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  • #151
    orm0nd
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    charolais0153 wrote: »
    http://www.sturdyproducts.ie/products/farm-and-equestrian/farm/sturdy-animal-surrogate-feeder
    Is this the sturdy feeder that lads do use. How much is it roughly and how many lambs would it rear?
    I read in older threads about sturdy feeder but not sure if this is the one.


    they're about 300

    there's a pic of ours over the "new beginnings" feb picture thread

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102607677&postcount=6

    most we ever had on it was 20, ok when they're small we put some of the bigger ones on buckets to make way for babies


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