Gossies

MattEWES · 30-01-2017 03:34AM

Earlier this week Retro Flame published a blog post regarding Bloggers buying subscribers. She mentioned a tool companies use to check out someones following - a particularly interesting tool when you see how many new subscribers these people get daily. I just checked out facesbygrace23 following on instagram, and as a result of the Gossies drama she has lost 364 followers - not an astounding number of losses, however it highlights that people are not happy with how she has behaved, and are now finally doing what so many posters have asked for so long - if you don't like what an 'influencer' says/does unfollow them. So vote with your fingers and unfollow - it is the influencer currency.

wolfmoon87 · 30-01-2017 10:22AM

I think Vogue's remark is being blown out of proportion.
In her Gossies piece (quote below) Rosemary got a sly dig in at Vogue, and Vogue gave a dig back. tit for tat

The whole thing feels very Celtic Tiger to me

Y’know that whole Lillies / Krystle / Reynard’s scene? Well, the Gossies most definitely plays into that. The aforementioned tickets are €150 each, the dress code is black-tie and the event is hosted by Vogue Williams – could it be any more 2005?

SB_Part2 · 30-01-2017 10:23AM

wolfmoon87 wrote: »

I think Vogue's remark is being blown out of proportion.
In her Gossies piece (quote below) Rosemary got a sly dig in at Vogue, and Vogue gave a dig back. tit for tat

How is that a sly dig against Vogue?

The whole thing screamed of Celtic Tiger which is how Vogue earned her fame.

aine92 · 30-01-2017 10:42AM

anna080 wrote: »

I must be getting soft. I felt a bit sorry for her watching her snapchat and I felt it was a genuine apology. I feel the whole thing needs to be put to bed now.

I also feel for her that none of her clique friends have come out to stand up for her. Where is Holly Carpenter now?

scarbouro · 30-01-2017 10:48AM

Maybe her friends decided to step away from the mess instead of getting involved. Tbh I don't blame them, who wants to be seen publicly sticking up for someone who's been outed as a bully. Maybe they were sending her messages in private.

SB_Part2 · 30-01-2017 10:55AM

My thoughts (not that anyone cares:P) is that the whole Gossies night started off with the precedence of being 'mean' to RMC. Ali's follow ups on snapchat last night prove to me that she really doesn't see anything wrong with booing people or Grace 'mocking' RMC's name because she thinks she's been hard done by by RMC and see's it as her friends sticking up for her. She has really let herself down and I'd be amazed if brands will want to sponsor next years Gossies (if there is one).

I think it's ironic that Grace won Best Influencer but yet was influenced by the likes of Ali etc and the toxic environment of the room to get involved. She was wrong to do what she did and I think she's doing serious damage control at the moment.

However, the backlash that's she's been getting clearly shows that a lot of people are desperately unhappy with her and used this as an excuse to tear her down. The mob mentality of people commenting on her posts calling her fat etc seem to me like they don't really even care what she said to RMC, they just wanted to be mean to her.

meeeeh · 30-01-2017 11:41AM

SB_Part2 wrote: »

However, the backlash that's she's been getting clearly shows that a lot of people are desperately unhappy with her and used this as an excuse to tear her down. The mob mentality of people commenting on her posts calling her fat etc seem to me like they don't really even care what she said to RMC, they just wanted to be mean to her.

Internet bullying has nothing to do with being unhappy about someone. It's people jumping on the bandwagon and kicking someone who is down in the name of internet justice. There is nothing noble in it, there are no understandable motives or excuses, it's just the mob at it's nasty best.

I don't know who said what to whom, neither I care. What I do know is that this would be blown over in couple of days if an army of cheerleaders wouldn't feel then need to interfere and gleefully spread any sorry detail of the spat. People who are criticizing bloggers for bullying are doing exactly the same thing themselves, including many nasty contributions in this thread.

SB_Part2 · 30-01-2017 11:47AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Internet bullying has nothing to do with being unhappy about someone. It's people jumping on the bandwagon and kicking someone who is down in the name of internet justice. There is nothing noble in it, there are no understandable motives or excuses, it's just the mob at it's nasty best.

I'm talking about the people who are unhappy with her behaviour of late. There were two types of people I feel who were commenting. Those who were on the brink of unfollowing her anyway and this pushed them over the edge and then people who are just bullies.

meeeeh · 30-01-2017 11:54AM

SB_Part2 wrote: »

I'm talking about the people who are unhappy with her behaviour of late. There were two types of people I feel who were commenting. Those who were on the brink of unfollowing her anyway and this pushed them over the edge and then people who are just bullies.

And people who were on the brink of unfollowing could do just that. There are all kinds of people in this not just two kinds, they are all wrong.

SB_Part2 · 30-01-2017 11:57AM

meeeeh wrote: »

And people who were on the brink of unfollowing could do just that. There are all kinds of people in this not just two kinds, they are all wrong.

I disagree. I think it was good for her to know why people were unfollowing. What she did was bang out of line and that kind of behaviour shouldn't be tolerated.

scarbouro · 30-01-2017 12:01PM

meeeeh wrote: »

And people who were on the brink of unfollowing could do just that. There are all kinds of people in this not just two kinds, they are all wrong.

Who are all wrong? People who disagree with Grace's behaviour? What she did was wrong. People were annoyed and spoke out. Some people took it too far ill agree with that but letting it slide wasn't an option either.

Sunny Dayz · 30-01-2017 12:11PM

I have to say the comments on her facebook and instragram are uncalled for. A lot of them have overstepped the mark and there's no point in commenting your disagreement with what she said/did - she most likely will turn it around into people bullying her! I would suggest people vote with the unfollow/unlike button. Bloggers/influencers currency is the number of followers and likes they get.
I had a quick look on Social Blade which some else mentioned above, she is showing a drop in followers on instragram of approx 350 but an increase in twitter followers of over 200. Social Blade doesn't show facebook or snapchat. I would have thought a lot more people would have unfollowed her. There's no point in saying you disagree with what she said/did if you still continue to follow her social media.

sashafierce · 30-01-2017 12:13PM

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retro:electro · 30-01-2017 12:17PM

I don't think social blade is an accurate representation of followers dropping when there's drama going on because I know people, myself included, who followed her yesterday for the first time just to see what was happening but I'll unfollow her again today. I'd say she'll lose a lot more in the coming days.

meeeeh · 30-01-2017 12:20PM

sashafierce wrote: »

Ya cant just have her do what she done and let it go.

Can't you? So you are a voluntary moral authority who corrects wrongs on the internet? I thought big girls were involved in the spat and they should be able to sort it out themselves.

sashafierce · 30-01-2017 12:22PM

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scarbouro · 30-01-2017 12:27PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Can't you? So you are a voluntary moral authority who corrects wrongs on the internet? I thought big girls were involved in the spat and they should be able to sort it out themselves.

Are you condoning her behaviour at a public event? She didn't just pass these remarks at a gathering of her own friends! This was on a public stage in front of RM peers and colleagues. It was filmed and she got caught doing it. You just seem to think it's OK to mock someone who isn't there to defend themselves and sure its grand.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 30-01-2017 12:29PM

Am I getting this right, boards poster berates followers for berating grace, because berating is wrong, and people should keep opinions to themselves? I love irony!

lizlemon16 · 30-01-2017 12:30PM

Upon review of the weekend's events, I think it's fair to put a bit of perspective into this thread. Without defending the reaction that it produced, RMC (an experienced professional) knew exactly what she was doing by posting an article full of insinuation (alleging bribery by sponsors) a week before the event at the exact time the post would gain the most traction. Had she produced her think piece after the event, perhaps titled 'Why I DIDN’T Go to the Gossies', I think she would have provoked a fairer and perhaps more effective campaign. Alleging derogatory scripted jokes (she later amended this on facebook) and allowing a tirade of abuse to be led against individuals (which is never ok), would be defined irresponsible journalism – BUT it has the defence of being a think piece built on personal opinion, so I guess the facts can change as frequently as the opinion does or when proved otherwise.

Diverse opinions and free speech are incredibly valuable and important, especially evident right now with recent political events, but I think there should have been more tact and consideration given to it and the fact this is a fledgling Irish business run by a young woman - which is still somewhat an anomaly these days.

Surely in this day and age there are other ways for women to get their point across and initiate change without provocation and victimisation? (Also odds on the blogger mentioned within the article giving her permission to be used as an example).

All in all, the booing and generally reaction = not great, but I can't take RMC's claims totally seriously regardless of any merit when her facts are published without being verified and it turns into a very public display of her capitalising on the takedown of other young women. There are other ways.

In other words, look out for the Regina George in sheep's clothing.

Sunny Dayz · 30-01-2017 12:36PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Am I getting this right, boards poster berates followers for berating grace, because berating is wrong, and people should keep opinions to themselves? I love irony!

No that's not what I meant - people commenting on her weight and her child on social media that was uncalled for. Telling her you are unfollowing her cos of what she said, judging by what people have said about her snapchat she's just turned it around into "poor me". Comments people make can be deleted or overlooked, the number of followers (like customers in a business) are difficult to gain and keep but are easy and noticeable to lose.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 30-01-2017 12:42PM

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

No that's not what I meant - people commenting on her weight and her child on social media that was uncalled for. Telling her you are unfollowing her cos of what she said, judging by what people have said about her snapchat she's just turned it around into "poor me". Comments people make can be deleted or overlooked, the number of followers (like customers in a business) are difficult to gain and keep but are easy and noticeable to lose.

With all due respect what is she at parading her child all over social media? Sinead from tbt keeps her son off all her public platforms so people can't say anything against him because he's not in the public eye. She even had to upload a snap of her child sitting on her mother last night before issuing an apology, and after her child was dragged into her drama. I don't agree with it, I personally didn't comment on any of her social media because I'm not about that life, but she can't do and say what she pleases and expect her life that she's so public about to be off limits to criticism. I'm no fan of RMC either, but this whole "oh but her child, oh but her weight", yes it's nasty and cheap shots but she's the only one putting her child in the firing line

January · 30-01-2017 12:52PM

lizlemon16 wrote: »

Upon review of the weekend's events, I think it's fair to put a bit of perspective into this thread. Without defending the reaction that it produced, RMC (an experienced professional) knew exactly what she was doing by posting an article full of insinuation (alleging bribery by sponsors) a week before the event at the exact time the post would gain the most traction. Had she produced her think piece after the event, perhaps titled 'Why I DIDN’T Go to the Gossies', I think she would have provoked a fairer and perhaps more effective campaign. Alleging derogatory scripted jokes (she later amended this on facebook) and allowing a tirade of abuse to be led against individuals (which is never ok), would be defined irresponsible journalism – BUT it has the defence of being a think piece built on personal opinion, so I guess the facts can change as frequently as the opinion does or when proved otherwise.

Diverse opinions and free speech are incredibly valuable and important, especially evident right now with recent political events, but I think there should have been more tact and consideration given to it and the fact this is a fledgling Irish business run by a young woman - which is still somewhat an anomaly these days.

Surely in this day and age there are other ways for women to get their point across and initiate change without provocation and victimisation? (Also odds on the blogger mentioned within the article giving her permission to be used as an example).

All in all, the booing and generally reaction = not great, but I can't take RMC's claims totally seriously regardless of any merit when her facts are published without being verified and it turns into a very public display of her capitalising on the takedown of other young women. There are other ways.

In other words, look out for the Regina George in sheep's clothing.

Sorry to wade in here, I never posted in this forum before but just want to correct something you've written. RMC did not and has not allowed a tirade of abuse on an individual. In fact, RMC was posting in different groups last night asking people to scale it back and let it go, that Grace had apologised and it was all good between them. She has no responsibility over people doing what they are doing on social media and has actively tried to get people to stop abusing Grace.

meeeeh · 30-01-2017 12:55PM

sashafierce wrote: »

No but surely telling her, not saying publicly or in a nasty way but surely she will take a look at how she acted if she sees why people are unfollowing her?

Knowing people, I very much doubt it. She will feel she was victim of bullying and up to an extent she would be probably right. It's self preservation when we tend to feel misunderstood rather than wrong.

Anyway it's not criticism of you specifically because I don't overly pay attention who said something but even this thread has fair share of comments thar go way beyond criticizing that behavior. It's not nice to see and it comes across as very much ganging on someone. The only reason I ever got involved in blogger threads is that I stumbled across one in Beauty and thought a lot of comments were very nasty and personal. I think threads were moved to this forum to avoid that kind of stuff and it worked up to a point. But now there are again plenty of new accounts that won't contribute anything of value but a few nasty digs. This whole thing is a spat blown but of proportion but I don't think there is anyone who comes out of it well.

lizlemon16 · 30-01-2017 12:56PM

January wrote: »

Sorry to wade in here, I never posted in this forum before but just want to correct something you've written. RMC did not and has not allowed a tirade of abuse on an individual. In fact, RMC was posting in different groups last night asking people to scale it back and let it go, that Grace had apologised and it was all good between them. She has no responsibility over people doing what they are doing on social media and has actively tried to get people to stop abusing Grace.

Absolutely fair enough, I take that line back. However, a tirade of abuse happened and is happening and I can't agree it is merited.

January · 30-01-2017 01:01PM

I never said it was merited I just said that Rosemary is not actively allowing it.

Having been on the NBS group and other groups over the last couple of weeks it's clear to see that Grace is in over her head with all this blogging business. She created NBS after being thrown out of a group for breaking the rules, then she just abandoned it (well before she stepped down as admin) stating she hadn't got the time. She hadn't a clue what was going on with her being sponsored by C&G and whether it was even legal for her to have that sponsorship with her having such a young child. The abuse is not warranted at all but I think she needs to rethink what she's doing and get some sound business advice.

The Talking Bread · 30-01-2017 01:02PM

There is not one party that has come out of this whole pathetic b1tchy, snowflakey, fake, materialistic charade with an ounce of dignity. Seriously! Sit back and analyse what has happened over the last few days! I came across this thread by chance yesterday and being the nosey, inquisitive lurker I am I got sucked in and read back through the events! It felt like a cheap teen TV show script! These are grown women! And I am just as bad to have wasted my time analysing it!

The woman that was the but of the joke (not a joke in strict meaning) could have just sucked it up as playground dig! She slagged the show so she hardly expected some fake niceities!

The whole thing is a never ending merry go round of playing the victim. Pwhich just serves for anot her party to claim to be the victim and so on and so forth. It's pathetic!

But as a people watcher it is intriguing to see this blogging world playing out!

meeeeh · 30-01-2017 01:03PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Am I getting this right, boards poster berates followers for berating grace, because berating is wrong, and people should keep opinions to themselves? I love irony!

I will take comfort in the fact that I don't express my opinions only as part of a gang. I am not afraid to do it when clearly more or less nobody agrees with me.

retro:electro · 30-01-2017 01:07PM

I think a lot of her followers are for sure using this as an opportunity to slate and berate her for other things, (the amount of comments I've seen that say "all she does is snap her baby and her cat") which is just giving her the opportunity to play the victim. But if you use this as an opportunity to have a go at her baby or her weight, then you are the worst kind of human.

retro:electro · 30-01-2017 01:14PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I will take comfort in the fact that I don't express my opinions only as part of a gang. I am not afraid to do it when clearly more or less nobody agrees with me.

So we should only share our opinions when we know nobody is going to agree with us? What are you even talking about?

sashafierce · 30-01-2017 01:19PM

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