Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

That_Guy · 21-01-2017 03:54PM

Was listening to The Game Informer Show about their impressions of the Switch.

They were mostly positive but the talk of their online system came up and one (I can't for the life of me think of his name) made a really good point saying that people are making apologies for Nintendo regarding the use of a phone to connect to online servers/access game chat with friends.

If Microsoft/Sony came out with this type of system, they'd be widely slated and rightly so.

I'm paraphrasing I know but they also went on to say that just because Nintendo has its hardcore audience, they shouldn't be afraid to criticise Nintendo for taking a step backwards for what is already available on other consoles.

It was a pretty good conversation and was pretty balanced overall.

CiDeRmAn · 21-01-2017 03:57PM

Most Sony adherents saw little more than the positive side of the upcoming PS2 and PS3 launches, me included.
They were riding a wave of bliss and success following the success of the PS and, thanks in part to amazing marketing and a compliant press, everyone bought in, despite an objectively poor launch line up and, even, a lousy first year of releases.
The machines just seemed to catch a break from those would be buyers and those commentators in the press and the nascent online communities.
The WiiU, coming off the back of wide success with the Wii, seemed to be nothing but maligned from the get go, and this seems to have persisted into the realm of the Switch, with parties not simply being critical of certain features of the new console but actively taking some sort of delight in being a part of its collapse and whatever influence, importance or w@nking material they get from being so very "right".
Malignant trolls and flamers, only chasing some sort of notoriety, shooting them is a waste of a good bullet.

Ace Attorney · 21-01-2017 04:22PM

That_Guy wrote: »

They were mostly positive but the talk of their online system came up and made a really good point saying that people are making apologies for Nintendo regarding the use of a phone to connect to online servers/access game chat with friends.

If Microsoft/Sony came out with this type of system, they'd be widely slated and rightly so.

I'm paraphrasing I know but they also went on to say that just because Nintendo has its hardcore audience, they shouldn't be afraid to criticise Nintendo for taking a step backwards for what is already available on other consoles.

I really dont believe nintendo would make a huge f up, by requiring a smartphone to access online functionality, i agree that it would be a step back, in that interview Reggie said that part of their online service will be a smart phone app. Im hoping that "part" bit means for switches on the go, like local multiplayer switchs connect to one smartphone server or something like that. Nintendo haven't said much about their online service yet anyway. So i hope they do soon as this is something that nay sayers of nintendo will jump on and run with to the finish line until nintendo clears it up.

johnpatrick81 · 21-01-2017 05:35PM

Ciderman, I bought a PS3 at launch, and even though they're not total classics, Motorstorm and Resistance were epic launch titles. The technical upgrade was clear from day one. Both exclusives too. Fantastic feeling showcasing them.

The Switch has........a WiiU title as its big launch game.

I have no idea how some of you are still defending the paltry Launch lineup.

That_Guy · 21-01-2017 05:37PM

Ace Attorney wrote: »

I really dont believe nintendo would make a huge f up, by requiring a smartphone to access online functionality, i agree that it would be a step back, in that interview Reggie said that part of their online service will be a smart phone app. Im hoping that "part" bit means for switches on the go, like local multiplayer switchs connect to one smartphone server or something like that. Nintendo haven't said much about their online service yet anyway. So i hope they do soon as this is something that nay sayers of nintendo will jump on and run with to the finish line until nintendo clears it up.

I said a few posts ago that I think it's a good idea for when you're out and about but if we're being asked to use phone's all the time for online connectivity then it's a big problem.

I just wish Nintendo would give us the details right out of the gate especially if this is going to be a paid service down the road.

Xenji · 21-01-2017 05:57PM

I quite liked the PS2 launch titles, SSX, Tekken Tag Tournament, Ridge Racer, Dead or Alive 2 and TimeSplitters all provided hours of entertainment.

wtlltw · 21-01-2017 05:57PM

That_Guy wrote: »

I just wish Nintendo would give us the details right out of the gate especially if this is going to be a paid service down the road.

This is the problem, no one will know what the Switch full details are until the system releases (or Nintendo caves in and does another reveal). At the moment it's all speculation based on what we know.

Pac1Man · 21-01-2017 05:58PM

We would all do well not to get so emotional over a box of electronics.

nairy hipples · 21-01-2017 06:01PM

Apparently Switch sold out in 15 mins on Amazon Japan. Going for crazy amounts of money on resellers.
Bodes well for Switch sales (so long as it's not just scalpers buying them)

Corholio · 21-01-2017 06:04PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Ciderman, I bought a PS3 at launch, and even though they're not total classics, Motorstorm and Resistance were epic launch titles. The technical upgrade was clear from day one. Both exclusives too. Fantastic feeling showcasing them.

The Switch has........a WiiU title as its big launch game.

I have no idea how some of you are still defending the paltry Launch lineup.

Are people though? It's a pretty bare bones lineup for sure and rightly criticised that specifically, but who would just buy a console based on a launch lineup? Zelda will sell a huge amount of units on it's own. If Nintendo stagger releases better with the Switch at the expense of a couple of weeks at the start, I'd certainly take that.

johnpatrick81 · 21-01-2017 06:12PM

Yes, people are repeatedly defending the Launch lineup. It's indefensible.

Obviously it doesn't define a console. Coming off a failure though they needed a good start. I just think it's a massive missed opportunity.

Retr0gamer · 21-01-2017 06:35PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Ciderman, I bought a PS3 at launch, and even though they're not total classics, Motorstorm and Resistance were epic launch titles. The technical upgrade was clear from day one. Both exclusives too. Fantastic feeling showcasing them.

They were passable but when you get a launch console with a poor launch line up you try to defend it in your mind. I've been there before. i'm sure Megadrive owners were as well with the god awful Altered Beast. For people that had a 360 those games were kind of laughable compared to what the 360 had after its first year and Sony sent Insomniac out to try and defend why Resistance looked so awful compared to the likes of Gears of War with very unconvincing videos. Still seeing Sony scrambling at launch and making a show of themselves was highly entertaining and they did eventually turn the console around were I'd consider it now a better console compared to the 360, but it took a couple of years to get there.

Xenji wrote: »

I quite liked the PS2 launch titles, SSX, Tekken Tag Tournament, Ridge Racer, Dead or Alive 2 and TimeSplitters all provided hours of entertainment.

Well I'll give you SSX, but the rest were passable again other than DoA2 which was excellent but looked awful compared to the Dreamcast version. Those early PS2 games looks really poor compared to DC games due to the lack of anti aliasing and the DC had such a great first year and launch line up. Took until about 9 months before the PS2 had anything worth playing. PS2 magazines had so little to talk about they had 40 page spreads about getting the most out of your MGS2 demo disc. By it's second Christmas though the system was essential with the likes of Silent Hill 2, GT3, GTA3, DMC, Klonoa 2 and a few others I'm missing.

I hear Mario Odyssey is pretty much complete as well but think Nintendo is doing the right thing staggering releases instead of putting them all out there and having nothing for the rest of the year which hurt the Saturn at launch. They really need to come out swinging in 2018 though and announce some big titles for 2017 (Nintendo have announced big titles weeks before release, although I'm not holding out too much hope of that with the Switch in 2017).

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Yes, people are repeatedly defending the Launch lineup. It's indefensible.

Obviously it doesn't define a console. Coming off a failure though they needed a good start. I just think it's a massive missed opportunity.

It's got the definitive version of what by all accounts is going to be an amazing new Zelda that changes up the stale Zelda formula (and the visual improvements are hardly insignificant) and a new Bomberman. 1, 2 Switch looks like a fun party game. There's more there than most launches but a lot of people and journalists have selective memory just so they can throw a swipe at Nintendo/

Also hearing reports that SnipperClippers could be a real gem of a game and that's out in the first month.

ERG89 · 21-01-2017 06:50PM

If you don't get Zelda at launch it will be a big difference on a first impression. I preordered both on Monday but I'm not sure about the system & if I don't get a system it at launch I won't be overly upset.
They should probably have the eShop with a couple of notable classic games up & running on launch it'd help but I doubt they will.

CosmicSmash · 21-01-2017 07:02PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Ciderman, I bought a PS3 at launch, and even though they're not total classics, Motorstorm and Resistance were epic launch titles. The technical upgrade was clear from day one. Both exclusives too. Fantastic feeling showcasing them.

The Switch has........a WiiU title as its big launch game.

I have no idea how some of you are still defending the paltry Launch lineup.

I said to myself I wasn't going to post in the thread again but I felt compelled to after reading your post. You're comparing the jump from ps2 to ps3, I don't think anybody could argue with the advances with that, how big were the advances from PS3 to PS4? They wouldn't be so impressive to be honest, the same could be said for the 360 to XBOXONE. Why would you expect such a leap between the Wii U to the Switch? I don't think anybody is claiming that Nintendo has an amazing lineup for the Switch at the moment or did I miss something? The WiiU has been a disaster in terms of sales for Nintendo but it still has plenty of titles that make it a worthwhile purchase.

The bit about the Switch having a WiiU title as a launch game really goes to show how little you really know. The Wii had a GameCube game as a launch title in the shape of Twilight Princess and then went on to easily outsell PS3 and the 360 in worldwide hardware sales.

dunworth1 · 21-01-2017 07:04PM

from reddit

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That_Guy · 21-01-2017 07:05PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Yes, people are repeatedly defending the Launch lineup. It's indefensible.

Obviously it doesn't define a console. Coming off a failure though they needed a good start. I just think it's a massive missed opportunity.

I agree with you in part. I think it's a very scant line up. I know the PS4/Xbox One had small launch line ups but there's small and then there's... well, what they're offering for the Switch.

Considering that the Wii U had a launch line up of around 20 games, it is paltry in comparison.

Mario Kart is coming. SnipperClippers is coming. Mario is coming... later.

Zelda, in my eyes is the only meaningful title in the launch line up but it's Zelda and it's the game that will sell systems so maybe Nintendo and its hardcore fanbase prefer the 'quality over quantity' line and tbh, from all accounts, the new Zelda looks and plays fantastically well.

Will it be enough to tide early adapters over? I'd say yes. Mario Kart 8 due in April. Gamecube VC *should* be announced by then among a few less talked about titles..... Splatoon 2 in the summer and Mario due out for the holiday period.

I've criticised the launch line up and I think it warrants a bit of criticism but at the end of the day, Zelda will give us hours and hours of gameplay until the next experience is offered.

If Nintendo can learn from their mistakes regarding the gaps of their releases, I think they'll be fine so long as they can fill those gaps with smaller but equally as fun experiences until that next big title comes out.

The launch line up won't kill them. It's what happens 18 months from March 3rd.

nairy hipples · 21-01-2017 07:10PM

dunworth1 wrote: »

from reddit

Ooh I hadn't seen that "Constructor" game before. Love city building games-Sim City is one of my all time faves. It's seems a perfect fit for Switch's portability

FAILSAFE 00 · 21-01-2017 07:14PM

Whats with the long wait for Skyrim. November 2017. Damn you Bethesda. They could have easily delivered that at launch.

johnpatrick81 · 21-01-2017 07:20PM

CosmicSmash wrote: »

I said to myself I wasn't going to post in the thread again but I felt compelled to after reading your post. You're comparing the jump from ps2 to ps3, I don't think anybody could argue with the advances with that, how big were the advances from PS3 to PS4? They wouldn't be so impressive to be honest, the same could be said for the 360 to XBOXONE. Why would you expect such a leap between the Wii U to the Switch? I don't think anybody is claiming that Nintendo has an amazing lineup for the Switch at the moment or did I miss something? The WiiU has been a disaster in terms of sales for Nintendo but it still has plenty of titles that make it a worthwhile purchase.

The bit about the Switch having a WiiU title as a launch game really goes to show how little you really know. The Wii had a GameCube game as a launch title in the shape of Twilight Princess and then went on to easily outsell PS3 and the 360 in worldwide hardware sales.

Maybe you shouldn't have bothered adding your "wisdom". Yes we are all aware that the Wii had a GameCube title at launch. That wasn't my point and if you had a basic comprehension on the concept of reading you might have understood that.

The ONLY credible launch title IS A WII U GAME.

I'm not asking for an earth shattering technical leap into the unknown masterpiece. I'm asking for a bit of choice.

The stench of fanboys in here is unbearable. I love posting in the Nintendo forums but I'll give this thread a miss from now on as anyone mentioning anything negative about a very questionable launch gets pounced on by absolute half wit comments with no logic in them.

dunworth1 · 21-01-2017 07:28PM

nairy hipples wrote: »

Apparently Switch sold out in 15 mins on Amazon Japan. Going for crazy amounts of money on resellers.
Bodes well for Switch sales (so long as it's not just scalpers buying them)

and people were queuing up all night outside stores
seemingly the stock allocation for them is totally gone since early this morning

350 people outside this place at 8:30

CiDeRmAn · 21-01-2017 07:30PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Ciderman, I bought a PS3 at launch, and even though they're not total classics, Motorstorm and Resistance were epic launch titles. The technical upgrade was clear from day one. Both exclusives too. Fantastic feeling showcasing them.

The Switch has........a WiiU title as its big launch game.

I have no idea how some of you are still defending the paltry Launch lineup.

Motorstorm was not great, and the sequel was much much better.
Resistance was complete tripe, the brownest first person shooter since, well, since Killzone.
The only reason people played them was because there was nothing else to play.
Plus, you had to contend with the Sixaxis and the outright fibs Sony were telling about the unavailability of rumble, because they were arguing about it in court with the owners of the patents.
As a player of Motorstorm at launch, there were much better racing games on the PS2, Xbox and GameCube.
If you are getting hung up on brown HD visuals and particle effects, sure it had those, but they didn't make Motorstorm a superior game. Excite Trucks on the Wii is a better game, though it followed Motorstorm into the market.

Any launch lineup is lucky to have a potential classic in its midst, and the Switch is getting BotW, which is not, as yet, a WiiU game.
Yes, I'd have loved to have seen more games, more originals, more and cheaper too, but I understand, having bought into every console generation since the Gameboy that choice is limited initially, and I'll take quality over quantity any day.
I'm looking forward to seeing what the eshop has in stock on day one, I'm hoping a few things to improve choice.

Keep in mind that the PS4 had one game worth playing in its launch line up, and that was Resogun, and ended up given away free with a PS+ subscription.

dunworth1 · 21-01-2017 07:30PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Maybe you shouldn't have bothered adding your "wisdom". Yes we are all aware that the Wii had a GameCube title at launch. That wasn't my point and if you had a basic comprehension on the concept of reading you might have understood that.

The ONLY credible launch title IS A WII U GAME.

I'm not asking for an earth shattering technical leap into the unknown masterpiece. I'm asking for a bit of choice.

The stench of fanboys in here is unbearable. I love posting in the Nintendo forums but I'll give this thread a miss from now on as anyone mentioning anything negative about a very questionable launch gets pounced on by absolute half wit comments with no logic in them.

the game I'm most interested in is Bomberman

I plan on picking up both
bomberman and zelda

CosmicSmash · 21-01-2017 07:47PM

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Maybe you shouldn't have bothered adding your "wisdom". Yes we are all aware that the Wii had a GameCube title at launch. That wasn't my point and if you had a basic comprehension on the concept of reading you might have understood that.

The ONLY credible launch title IS A WII U GAME.

I'm not asking for an earth shattering technical leap into the unknown masterpiece. I'm asking for a bit of choice.

The stench of fanboys in here is unbearable. I love posting in the Nintendo forums but I'll give this thread a miss from now on as anyone mentioning anything negative about a very questionable launch gets pounced on by absolute half wit comments with no logic in them.

Are you sure you're not running because you got called out for spouting crap? In my post I said there wasn't an amazing lineup, nobody is claiming that there is. I'll be getting Zelda and Bomberman myself and I'm sure they'll both be great. If the consoles not for you it's not for you, just stop bitching about it and calling everybody a fanboy just because they're buying it.

ERG89 · 21-01-2017 07:54PM

dunworth1 wrote:

The game I'm most interested in is Bomberman

At 50 quid you may be on your own.

dunworth1 · 21-01-2017 07:59PM

ERG89 wrote: »

At 50 quid you may be on your own.

whys that?
i don't see anything wrong with paying 50 quid for a decent game

hell I've often spent 70 on a pooy Xbox or ps4 game
i dont drink that mush so quite a lot of my money goes on gaming
and I've zero regrets sometimes you get great value and sometimes you don't

I'm highly sure that Bomberman will be a winner

FAILSAFE 00 · 21-01-2017 08:03PM

nairy hipples wrote: »

Apparently Switch sold out in 15 mins on Amazon Japan. Going for crazy amounts of money on resellers.
Bodes well for Switch sales (so long as it's not just scalpers buying them)

Yep, Its one of the reasons the Switch is sold out. Word is out that stock is very limited so loads of people have pre-ordered the Switch to tout it come launch day.

Just like the NES classic. More stock would be welcomed and kill off all the touts.

FAILSAFE 00 · 21-01-2017 08:05PM

dunworth1 wrote: »

whys that?
i don't see anything wrong with paying 50 quid for a decent game

hell I've often spent 70 on a pooy Xbox or ps4 game
i dont drink that mush so quite a lot of my money goes on gaming
and I've zero regrets sometimes you get great value and sometimes you don't

I'm highly sure that Bomberman will be a winner

50 quid is a lot of money for an arcade title though. It should be a great deal cheaper.

Vyse · 21-01-2017 08:12PM

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

50 quid is a lot of money for an arcade title though. It should be a great deal cheaper.

If I'm not mistaken it's £50 not 50 euros. Smyths have it listed as 65 euros.

A game is worth what people are willing to pay for it.

FAILSAFE 00 · 21-01-2017 08:18PM

Vyse wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken it's £50 not 50 euros. Smyths have it listed as 65 euros.

A game is worth what people are willing to pay for it.

€65 :eek:

Hopefully people will abstain and the poor sales will impact a nice price change for Switch owners.

sligeach · 21-01-2017 08:29PM

CosmicSmash wrote: »

I said to myself I wasn't going to post in the thread again but I felt compelled to after reading your post. You're comparing the jump from ps2 to ps3, I don't think anybody could argue with the advances with that, how big were the advances from PS3 to PS4? They wouldn't be so impressive to be honest, the same could be said for the 360 to XBOXONE. Why would you expect such a leap between the Wii U to the Switch? I don't think anybody is claiming that Nintendo has an amazing lineup for the Switch at the moment or did I miss something? The WiiU has been a disaster in terms of sales for Nintendo but it still has plenty of titles that make it a worthwhile purchase.

The bit about the Switch having a WiiU title as a launch game really goes to show how little you really know. The Wii had a GameCube game as a launch title in the shape of Twilight Princess and then went on to easily outsell PS3 and the 360 in worldwide hardware sales.

Yes the jump in graphics wasn't huge from last gen to both PS4 and XB1. It's still noticeable and they came out 3 years ago. Nintendo could have made a bigger leap had they got the guts but they ducked out of the arms race 15 years ago. It always seems like they've no confidence in themselves or belief that they'll do well. If they don't, then why should we? Nintendo have the potential, that's the annoying thing. I believe they can be the kings of gaming. Give me 1 reason why they can't? And I'll give you at least a dozen reasons why they can. 2 million consoles at launch is nothing. I know the time of year, whatever, but that's not a massive number. I could guess why they've gone with such a low number. None of the answers most people here probably won't like.

Twilight Princess wasn't the cause of the Wii's success. It was great for the hardcore crowd though. Neither will Zelda: BOTW for the Switch determine its ultimate fate. And it is going to be a great game. The 3 biggest things, though I could list more, that will determine if Switch succeeds are price, third party support and online. First party is a given, it wasn't enough for Wii U and won't be enough this time around either. Price is bad, for now, they may lower it and will need to for mass market appeal. Third party support, that's always fickle, especially where Nintendo's concerned. I don't think it's hugely impressive so far. And lastly online, it's too early to tell but so far it sounds bad. Nintendo should be communicating that message better.

Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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