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Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭angryIreGamer


    Given those trade in prices, why would I trade in? I hadn't seen that page, thanks for adding it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    I haven't been following the thread the last few days but there seemed to be some confusion over Gamestop asking people for more money for their pre-order. I called into the Gamestop store where I pre-ordered prior to the Switch reveal. I asked if I had to increase my deposit from €20 to €50.

    The woman working there explained that that was all a misunderstanding. The Gamestop staff were given a new directive to take a minimum of €50 for Switch deposits. Some staff thought they then had to go and get additional money from existing customers with pre-orders and a deposit below €50. Apparently, that was never the case and was simply a badly communicated policy change. Anyone with a pre-order taken out before the pricing change is fine and no additional payment is required until collection of the Switch.

    Funnily enough I was told something different. I was told the day after the Nintendo reveal that Gamestop HQ got on to all stores and told them all pre-orders had to be minimum €50, even ones that had already been put down and that customers would have to top up to €50 of they had not already done so, or risk place in line of pre-orders. It's good to hear that they might not all be doing this though, however I still wouldn't be taking a risk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Atari Jaguar


    Valord wrote: »
    Don't blame Panasonic for the CDi, that was Philips' fault.

    Oops. My bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,396 ✭✭✭dunworth1


    Given those trade in prices, why would I trade in? I hadn't seen that page, thanks for adding it

    Indeed you'd have to be nuts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Atari Jaguar


    And the one select game, likely some brand new €70 quid game they give an extra 20-30 for 🙄 If you're planning to trade in a console for the switch I'd chance my arm selling it on adverts first.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    764dak wrote: »
    Nintendo should follow Sega by only making software.

    That's exactly what will happen. It's just a matter of time.

    It's the smartest play Nintendo can make but they will be very stubborn and hold out until they absolutely have to do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    Are Nintendo completely in the sh1t financially or something?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭wtlltw


    Grayditch wrote: »
    Are Nintendo completely in the sh1t financially or something?


    No Nintendo are financially fine, the WiiU flopped but the 3DS is flying. They could release a new Pokemon game and it would start printing money for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,382 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    OwaynOTT wrote: »
    Sega went software developers in what, 2001/2002? Pretty sure they were on a massive run of poor financial results in the years leading up to that.
    Why would Nintendo follow suit? Sure last year the had the massive success of Pokemon and last year for seven straight months, 3ds software sales were up on the previous year and basically the 3ds is still flying.
    They're not like for like comparisons.


    Nintendo's profits for the last number of years have been poor. Last year they had Pokemon GO and the sale of the Seattle Mariners baseball team to dig them out of a hole during their second quarter. Pokemon GO, they didn't make but obviously are entitled to some of the profits. They had 1 thing to do with that game, make the Pokemon GO Plus accessory and well, we know how they handled that. And the Mariners sale is a one off payment of $661 million.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2016/10/26/nintendo-reports-second-quarter-losses-but-pokemon-go-bolsters-sales-of-3ds-ahead-of-the-holiday-season/#6c805ff17102


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    Anyway, ignoring the stupid people.

    Those trade in prices are very bad. I'd have thought a Wii U would be worth more.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    There's a theme going here that any criticism is roundly set upon and the likes using condescending terms such as triggered. There's people here who have been gaming since the 70s/80s and work in technology so have seen it all before, many times over. I'm happy to read their analysis and criticism rather than see the thread fall down, and I hate this term, the fanboy black hole. It does the forum a disservice.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    What does this forum a disservice is people popping in to grace us with their "wisdom", which equates to the same old tired ill informed nonsense, equating Sega to Nintendo, suggesting they go software only, suggesting their games are for kids and any other number of stereotypes at this stage.
    If someone had something original to add we would all love to hear it, but they don't.
    Most of them tend to be either prolific posters on another console specific forum or appear to have created an account to post inflammatory stuff here.

    Not only that, but there is a diverse range of opinion here amongst posters, regular users, who debate and agree/disagree on issues around the Nintendo hardware and software works, so we are hardly a group of homogeneous fans marching, lockstep, in praise of the brand.

    So, when attention seeking users pop up and trot out the same tired crap, they can expect to be given the reception they deserve, as they would in any other forum.
    I don't see, just because I happen to appreciate Nintendo, why I should be exempt from responding or have the right to reply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,636 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    sligeach wrote: »
    Nintendo's profits for the last number of years have been poor. Last year they had Pokemon GO and the sale of the Seattle Mariners baseball team to dig them out of a hole during their second quarter. Pokemon GO, they didn't make but obviously are entitled to some of the profits. They had 1 thing to do with that game, make the Pokemon GO Plus accessory and well, we know how they handled that. And the Mariners sale is a one off payment of $661 million.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2016/10/26/nintendo-reports-second-quarter-losses-but-pokemon-go-bolsters-sales-of-3ds-ahead-of-the-holiday-season/#6c805ff17102

    While everything isn't rosy for Nintendo, they are nowhere near where sega was in the run up to them Boeing outbid the console market.
    ThisRegard wrote: »
    There's a theme going here that any criticism is roundly set upon and the likes using condescending terms such as triggered. There's people here who have been gaming since the 70s/80s and work in technology so have seen it all before, many times over. I'm happy to read their analysis and criticism rather than see the thread fall down, and I hate this term, the fanboy black hole. It does the forum a disservice.

    Reasonable discussion can be bad but it's hard when people are popping in with frankly stupid remarks, that Nintendo need to go as software developers only.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    Plenty of us 'fanboys' have been extremely critical of Nintendo, and the switch, and the presentation last week, and whatever. Nintendo are nintendo, they're not perfect and they're terrible at communication and scarcity of stuff and keeping game prices high and a lot of other stuff I'm not happy with them about.

    But when people come in and make endlessly negative posts that don't contribute to the discussion beyond trying to look edgy, it does annoy me a tad. Sligeach is very negative about Nintendo sometimes, but he still contributes to the discussion and is fair about it. Popping in to say 'of course they'll go third party cos triggered' is just stupid.



    Anyway. Zelda and Horizon Zero Dawn are out on the same week, 2 days apart. Sorry Horizon Zero Dawn, good opppourtunity to wait for it to drop in price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,396 ✭✭✭dunworth1


    764dak wrote: »
    Nintendo should follow Sega by only making software.

    That's exactly what will happen. It's just a matter of time.

    It's the smartest play Nintendo can make but they will be very stubborn and hold out until they absolutely have to do it.

    That's ridiculous nonsense Nintendo have quite a cash reserve

    And I'd hardly say 2 million consoles on launch (which is looking fairly likely with all the preorder being snapped up) a failure that'll be more than the Xbox one sold on release day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Banjo


    And not to mention, Sega never had that mysterious QOL platform up its sleeve for a rainy day!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Sega sh1te the bed after the Megadrive, bringing out add ons no one wanted, Mega CD and 32X, then made the Saturn that was far too expensive and focused on 2D visuals at the expensive of 3D, and all the goodwill was spent when the pretty great DC arrived, and everyone just wanted a PS2 by then.
    Nintendo have had exactly one major failed home console, and even that still managed to sell 8 million copies of Mario Kart 8.
    That's more than The Last of Us sold on the PS3 or PS4.

    So, to make them equivalent is just displaying ignorance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,394 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    I've cancelled my preorder and instead ordered BotW for the Wii U from Amazon with £10 off.
    I just can't justify the Switch at present. It's a let down for me somewhat. I don't want a hand-held. I play at home not on a train. Why couldn't they launch this under the DS/Gameboy hand-held brand and gives us an actual dedicated home console. I don't want a compromise.

    I was hoping for something beefier or with more games at launch. So instead I'll wait and pick it up at a later stage when decent offers arrive.

    I always buy consoles at launch so this will be hard to hold off from. Need to stay strong and avoid retailer's on launch day because I know I'll cave if I see one there available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,382 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    OwaynOTT wrote: »
    While everything isn't rosy for Nintendo, they are nowhere near where sega was in the run up to them Boeing outbid the console market.



    Reasonable discussion can be bad but it's hard when people are popping in with frankly stupid remarks, that Nintendo need to go as software developers only.

    Don't get me wrong. They're absolutely nowhere near like SEGA and some of the comments here in that regard have been nonsense. But I do wonder if the Switch fails, will they release more hardware? Kinda like throwing good money after bad. I have to say I'm very disappointed with the Switch. I don't care for portability. I'm a home console gamer and this is barely a step up from Wii U. Nintendo have annoyed the hell out of me over the last number of years. I know I'm not alone in feeling that way. They make so many bad decisions. The list is honestly nearly endless.


    We've had to wait ages for Zelda on Wii U because of Switch. We don't get a Special Edition. Gamepad functionality was removed because of Switch.


    Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is barely an upgrade. A proper Battle Mode? That should have been on Wii U. It so easily could have been. The graphics to me don't look any better, maybe they are slightly but I don't see it. I play MK8 every week. Have a session with lads from another forum. I've put hundreds and hundreds of hours into it. I'm expected to spend another €60 on a minimal port?


    There's so much about the Switch hardware that I don't like. Crazy expensive accessories, poor launch. Where are the Western developers? Where's the really big third party games? The online? Nintendo are mad. They've no history of doing online well and they now want to charge us for it? Or how about giving us a NES/SNES rom for a month only to take it back if we don't pay for it.


    The NES Classic Mini. What a disaster that was. I don't think anything has infuriated me as much in a long time. Cancelled pre order from their official partner, Zavvi. The crowd who run their UK Nintendo store. Then another cancelled order from the UK Nintendo Store. No sign of a restock. Nintendo have said nothing about it or when it'll be back in stock in Europe.


    The Wii U? How long have you got?


    And I'm sure there will be more soon. I'm waiting for them to say they're shutting down the Wii U online servers, maybe by the end of the year, if we're lucky.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,636 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    sligeach wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong. They're absolutely nowhere near like SEGA and some of the comments here in that regard have been nonsense. But I do wonder if the Switch fails, will they release more hardware? Kinda like throwing good money after bad. I have to say I'm very disappointed with the Switch. I don't care for portability. I'm a home console gamer and this is barely a step up from Wii U. Nintendo have annoyed the hell out of me over the last number of years. I know I'm not alone in feeling that way. They make so many bad decisions. The list is honestly nearly endless.


    We've had to wait ages for Zelda on Wii U because of Switch. We don't get a Special Edition. Gamepad functionality was removed because of Switch.


    Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is barely an upgrade. A proper Battle Mode? That should have been on Wii U. It so easily could have been. The graphics to me don't look any better, maybe they are slightly but I don't see it. I play MK8 every week. Have a session with lads from another forum. I've put hundreds and hundreds of hours into it. I'm expected to spend another €60 on a minimal port?


    There's so much about the Switch hardware that I don't like. Crazy expensive accessories, poor launch. Where are the Western developers? Where's the really big third party games? The online? Nintendo are mad. They've no history of doing online well and they now want to charge us for it? Or how about giving us a NES/SNES rom for a month only to take it back if we don't pay for it.


    The NES Classic Mini. What a disaster that was. I don't think anything has infuriated me as much in a long time. Cancelled pre order from their official partner, Zavvi. The crowd who run their UK Nintendo store. Then another cancelled order from the UK Nintendo Store. No sign of a restock. Nintendo have said nothing about it or when it'll be back in stock in Europe.


    The Wii U? How long have you got?


    And I'm sure there will be more soon. I'm waiting for them to say they're shutting down the Wii U online servers, maybe by the end of the year, if we're lucky.

    I haven't been massively impressed by the switch and I think Nintendo as a home console developer could be in trouble if the switch goes the way of the WiiU.
    In my opinion the main issue with the WiiU was no marketing with talking about and consumers hadn't a clue what it was about.
    Sure the harcore Nintendo fans knew all about but that's because they were actively looking for info. Everyone else was left in the dark. There people who bought the Wii that still think the WiiU is an add-on.

    While the accessories seem to be overpriced for the Switch, those prices will likely drop q bit yet.
    There's over 80 games in development for the Switch apparently. While there hasn't been enough info (again Nintendo falling down here) about the online side, it could still turn out ok.

    I'm of the mind that the switch hasn't been as an exciting a reveal because our imaginations ran away with us but Nintedno still have time to blow us away.
    Obviously some of us who have fully supported the WiiU will feel disappointed in the switch because so far it's catering for people who never really got a WiiU. Ports of Splatoon and MK8 will be an amazing line up for anyone who has t played them.
    Could you imagine coming to the switch having never played a WiiU. Mario Kart 8 with a battle mode and hopefully a better online experience with splatoon. I'd say it would be amazing. And don't forget Zelda.

    The WiiU owes us nothing. There was some excellent games in it and the fact you're getting 100s of hours out of MK8 speaks volumes for the console.
    I paid less than €300 for it with some games. I've put over 100 hours into Mario Maker, Mario Kart, Smash Bros and a good 30-50 hours into other titles like Hyrule Warriors, xenoblade etc.
    The WiiU was a sales failure and a marketing failure but as a console I don't think it was. It has too many plus points say otherwise.

    And even if the switch does fail like the WiiU, Nintendo still have that massive handheld market to cater for. While its shrinking, it's still there and I think Mobil games like Pokemon go can help grow their handheld dept.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    What does the launch of Switch mean for 3DS?

    Fils-Aime: 3DS has a long life in front of it. We’ve already announced games that will be launching in the first couple quarters of this year. There are a number of big games coming. And in our view, the Nintendo 3DS and the Nintendo Switch are going to live side-by-side. You’re going to be meeting different price points, you’re going to be meeting different types of consumers, you’re going to have the newest, freshest content available on Nintendo Switch, you’ve got a thousand-game library available on Nintendo 3DS, plus some key new ones coming. They’re going to coexist just fine. We’ve done this before, managing two different systems.

    I think there’s a sense that Nintendo Switch is a portable device. It is portable. But at its heart, it’s a home console that you can take with you on the go.

    https://www.wired.com/2017/01/reggie-fils-aime-nintendo-interview/

    Be funny if pokemon stars was a 3DS game like Pokemon BW 2 was.
    I'd assume 3DS support will be dropped pretty fast when the Switch takes off properly. Then again, some form of GBA games were still being released in 06/07.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    I don't see, just because I happen to appreciate Nintendo, why I should be exempt from responding or have the right to reply.

    It's brow beating with the intention to stifle any posts other than this is going to be great. The same is even applied to third party publications that don't tow the party line.

    Edit, I know people come in and look like they're here just on a wind up, they can be ignored but it's not them I'm talking about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,364 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    s.welstead wrote: »
    I've cancelled my preorder and instead ordered BotW for the Wii U from Amazon with £10 off.

    If I already had a Wii U, that's definitely the route I'd go down now, and then reassess getting a Switch when Mario comes out.

    Even then I've been keeping an eye on Adverts and if I see a decent deal on a second-half Wii U I might yet cancel my pre-order and get that to tide me over until the time when the Switch's library is strong enough.

    Reggie's comments about the Switch and the 3DS continuing side by side is a concern for me. It's becoming more and more clear that Nintendo see the Switch first as a home console, second as a console with Wii like motion support and thirdly as a portable console. The fact that they're trying to downplay it as a portable and continuously emphasise it as a home console leaves me thinking we may not see the portable style games that made the 3DS probably my favourite gaming device of the last 10 years.

    The 3DS needs to be put out to pasture now, I was just hoping that the Switch was going to be it's replacement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    There's a pretty good argument for not buying the Switch at launch, in fairness. Early adopters are generally the 'hardcore' fans so to speak, so you expect to be slightly burnt over time, it happens with any product. Wish I'd waited for the PS4 a few months even, maybe till bloodborne, rather than wrecking myself getting one for launch. And 3DS ambassador program set a precedent for such things with Nintendo.

    But I'm still excited for it :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,382 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Our Reactions to the Switch Presentation - Nintendo Voice Chat 338

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGpDZLocOi8

    Hands-On with the Switch - Nintendo Voice Chat Ep 339

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF7QSzs4uQI

    Someone posted a Gamescoop episode a few days ago here and thought overall that they were positive. I listened to it last night and thought overall they were negative. They're usually more impartial than an NVC. I'll have to watch those at a later time. I like listening to them on podcast when I'm out and about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    I'd hope the people pre ordering in Gamestop are getting some sort of employee discount


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    Eh, it's all relative. Sure GameStop can be bad sometimes, but GameStop is a short walk up the road and guaranteeing me a pre order for launch day at the same price as everywhere else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭R.F.


    Anyway, ignoring the stupid people.

    Those trade in prices are very bad. I'd have thought a Wii U would be worth more.

    agree, but Nintendo stuff usually keeps its value

    I reckon a year from now you could fetch a decent price for a wiiU

    Also in GameStop a lot of Nintendo games still seem to have comparatively good trade in value


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    It's brow beating with the intention to stifle any posts other than this is going to be great. The same is even applied to third party publications that don't tow the party line.

    Edit, I know people come in and look like they're here just on a wind up, they can be ignored but it's not them I'm talking about.

    I think the posts here this morning should reassure that debate is encouraged, being a dick is not. (Not suggesting you are a dick!)
    Still, it is good to see the forum so active and hopefully full of future Switch owners


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    The problem is there's a few who's default posting starting position is negative and they'll automatically jump on anything that follows this train of thought. Nothing at all wrong with criticism but when it's absolutely clear as day that the preferred posting stance is to be negative is when criticism gets silly, and then comes the 'but we can criticise if we want to' stuff. I'd much rather to be seen as overly positive than to be overly negative, what's the point in being miserable about something as a pastime? especially when it's something you may possibly buy anyway, which is in itself hypocritical. I've been critical of the Switch but there's a lot I'm looking forward to as well, there's just some that have the criticism and stop there.


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