Help me understand the 24/7 Heart Attack care report

robtri wrote: »

all I can say is Halligan..... sep 11
" I will reign hell on this Government"

also Red line issue

what a useless self serving leech.....

now they offer us a mobile Lab... a ****ing caravan!!!!

not at all, hes now feeling the wrath of big party politics. not much is gonna change in this country unless we can find a way of changing the two big parties or create a party that can challenge them

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

He hasnt resigned I see. And he never had any intention of resigning. Even if the government had said straight out to him "You will never ever ever get anything for Waterford from us" he still wouldn't have budged. Why would he? Big salary, massive expenses that he claims and free dinners and photo ops almost every night. Hes not going to let a few angry people stop him living his life. Typical self serving useless politician. We were the fools to vote him in.

You have personal information and knowledge that this is true?

Reads more like a whinge from someone who is dissatisfied with themselves and wants to bring others down with them.

Its very hard to disagree with your summation of the facts Wanderer 78. I think in fairness that Coffey (and I am not an FG supporter) has spoken out twice in the Seanad about cardiology services in fairly trenchant terms. Deasy has said he accepts the Herity Report and refuses to answer queries I believe, from local media. Mary Butler has accepted the FF long finger and D Cullinane has done a good job in obtaining information, but how long will it be before SF are in government. I expected more from John Halligan, although I did not vote for him, when he got himself into a Healy Rae position.

Apologies my last post should have read wanderer 2010.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i still stand by my statement above, politics is a finicky 'game', theres a lot of power play at play. our two main parties have ruled the roost for too long and like power, so much so, sometimes they make decisions that arent necessarily in the best interest of the country, but to guarantee their position of power, theres plenty of evidence to show this throughout our political history. as i said previously, i do feel, this is exactly whats happening with halligan, but maybe there is personal reasons why he has done what he has done, who knows, i may find out this at some stage if i have a chat with him. i do think he was a bit naive going into government, but at least hes giving it a shot, its not an easy job, not a job i think id be able to do. halligan is using the threat of resignation to try 'play the game', but unfortunately the odds are seriously stacked against him, this is largely due to the power play of our political system. we truly need to move on from ff and fg in order to move our country forward, but unfortunately there isnt really any party ready to take their place just yet, my opinion of course. some commentators are now saying that we may see a reversal of roles between ff and fg after the next election, this is a possibility, and we roll on for another couple of years with not much happening. time will tell i guess. this in turn is frustrating the hell out of me, theres some really serious problems developing in our country as we speak and some potentially extremely serious problems developing external to ireland that could cause serious problems for our country. if we dont get our house in order soon, really really bad things could potentially be facing us soon, of which we have very little control over. to rob a michael hudson phrase, i think we re potentially facing 'a slow car crash', no wonder hudson is known as dr doom:)

Halligan was/is most likely a bit naive and would lack the larger and more experienced advice available from having a large party behind him.
He seems to have reckoned he could (and even did) gain what he hoped, only to find 'the small print' caught him out.
Not a nice situation in which to find oneself, particularly when in the public eye.

My own view is that all party loyalty should be left outside the 'houses', and representatives should be seated without party sections.
There should be no party loyalty on any issue except those that affect how political parties themselves operate.

The 'government' could consist of representatives that their fellow representatives vote for, with those 'thus elected' selecting their leader.
It would then be up to those 'in government' to agree policy etc by majority, and put major decisions before the main body.

Some form of scheme is badly needed to get rid of the 'choke-hold' that political parties have on proceedings.
Of course the only way to achieve that (destruction of the political party power base) is to have a revolution, which is not going to happen.
So we are stuck!

Speechless.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cardiac-patients-in-waterford-to-be-sent-to-cork-for-treatment-1.2933655

Almost 350 patients in Waterford are to be sent to Cork for treatment under an initiative aimed at defusing controversy over cardiac services in the south-east.
The plan, which is dependent on additional funds being made available to treat the cardiac patients at Cork University Hospital, is being advanced by the South/South West Hospital Group despite opposition from medical staff in Waterford.

So what will it take to have the funding provided to UHW instead of Cork?

It is getting to the time when Halligan will have to stop supporting the gov and preferably encourage his 'friends' to do likewise.

Up to now there was a possibility that he could get what was needed while the gov saved face.
If that is not to happen it is time to pull the plug.

Every poster on here should be at march Saturday.

Max Powers wrote: »

Every poster on here should be at march Saturday.

fricatus wrote: »

I'll be there anyway, with all the family!

yea enough is enough, would bolton street be madness on saturday?

What the heck is a 'mobile cath lab'?
Sounds like something akin to a mobile brothel!

Is it the intention that the personnel are 'mobile' or what does it mean?

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

What the heck is a 'mobile cath lab'?
Sounds like something akin to a mobile brothel!

Is it the intention that the personnel are 'mobile' or what does it mean?

A brothel would be less of a waste of money.

I’d love to know how much flying people to Cork, mobile cath lab, reports, treating people in Whitfield Waterford, treating people in Bon Secours in Cork and treating people in UHC costs in total. I’d be nearly certain it is more expensive than just providing the feck’n second cath lab and 24 cardiac care in Waterford in the first place. But hey since when does logic come into government decisions.

Fair play everyone especially organisers who turned out today, decent crowd of 5000 garda estimated on rte.I was thinking as I was walking, there should really be a 5 figure crowd here but a lot of apathy, ignorance and laziness in the world today.200 people protested in limerick today about their a&e situation (not as big a deal as our protest reason admittedly) which puts our figures in a great light, fair play all.

blue note wrote: »

Halligan is the only one flying the flag for it really though. He's the one in the media all the time for it and he's being treated like a punching bag. He's the only td actually fighting for it and outside of Waterford (including in the rest of the south east) he's being seen as a Healy rae type who is just trying to get local services for Waterford that the population doesn't merit. Inside Waterford he's seen as a out by so many people because he hasn't resigned because the government didn't give us the second Cath lab. Any time I see him past anything on Facebook he's meet with a barrage of criticism for nut resigning (which I think the government would be pretty happy about to be honest).

He gets a barrage of abuse because of election promises for second lab.. his speeches about "reigning down hell on the goverment", this is a red line issue
ect ect ect
and every-time he has back pedaled and shown that he doesnt back up any statements he has made..

I for one was delighted when he got the post as it was a great way to work in the government and make changes... but to speak the way he does and then not to follow his own words/statements makes him look a laughing stock and hence in my opinion the reason for the abuse....

Deiseen wrote: »

I understand what you are saying but take Halligan out of the equation and where would we be? Absolutely no where is where.

and where are we now?? we have a caravan.... woo hoo great stuff

I originally thought the same as Deiseen, but this replay to a parliamentary question by David Cullinane (i am not a member of SF or any party) puts us in our box. Halligan is being made a show of. A mobile lab? A tissue of lies.

QUESTION NO: 1021
DÁIL QUESTION addressed to the Minister for Health (Simon Harris T.D.)
by Deputy David Cullinane
for WRITTEN ANSWER on 17/01/2017

* To ask the Minister for Health his plans to put in place a mobile cath laboratory for University Hospital Waterford as confirmed by the Minister for State in an interview (details supplied); the cost of such a measure; the staffing arrangements; the report, internal or external or both, which led to this plan; and if he will make a statement on the matter.
David Cullinane T.D.
Details Supplied: with the Irish Examiner on 6 January 2016

REPLY.
In recent weeks, the South/South West Hospital Group (SSWHG) has made very significant progress to address cardiology waiting lists at University Hospital Waterford (UHW). Waiting list data, compiled and published by the National Treatment Purchase Fund (NTPF) earlier this week, provide evidence that the cardiology waiting list at the hospital has reduced by almost 20% since the end of November, and the number of persons waiting longer than a year has reduced by some 66%. By year end, a total of 489 patients remained on the NTPF list, with no patient waiting longer than 18 months.
The focus on the cardiology waiting list will continue in 2017. The SSWHG has a robust plan in place to address the remaining backlog which involves access to cath lab capacity across the region. In addition, as recommended in the Herity Report, an additional €.5m funding has been provided to UHW in 2017 which will enable the hospital to provide 2 additional cath lab sessions (8 hours) per week. I am advised that patients waiting over 12 months will have their procedures completed in the first 8 weeks of 2017; patients waiting 3 – 12 months will have their procedures completed by June 2017.
Budget 2017 makes specific provision for those patients waiting longest for treatment within the health service. In this context, I am considering a national cardiology waiting list initiative which will address waiting times for cardiology treatments in a number of hospitals, including UHW. A range of measures are envisaged including sharing of facilities and resources amongst public hospitals, use of private facilities and the deployment of a mobile cath lab for specific periods in specific locations. Further detail will be available in the coming weeks

Deiseen wrote: »

That's a bit ridiculous to label it like that. At the very least it will reduce waiting lists and may save a few lives. On top of that it could lead to the justification for a second cath lab. It's not the perfect solution but it's 100% better than nothing. Do not forget that the consultants themselves suggested this, if it was a mickey mouse solution then they wouldn't have even put it on the table.

So why exactly should we have to take this solution, when like for like other areas don’t?

have a question...

When they say a second Cath Lab.... what do they actually mean we need??

we have one that is open till 5... how come we cant just staff it up and have it remain open 24 (i.e. 3 shifts) surely be a cheaper option then building a new lab... or using a mobile caravan?

To be a 24/7 PPCI centre, that is one where heart attack emergency cases are dealt with, it is essential to have two cath labs. A man from Co Kilkenny spoke at the protest march recently and explained that he was on the operating table in the UHW cath lab getting two stents put in when a heart attack case arrived. he had to be removed from the table with only one stent in while the emergency was dealt with. When they put him back on the table the surgeon was unable for medical reasons to insert the second stent!

JohnC. wrote: »

I also can't help but think about how easy it'll be to take a mobile lab away again.

That's true, this whole thing, the more questions are asked stinks.journal.ie reporting it as a lab that will be going around the country and according to David cullinane, no mention of UHW in his request for info.

robtri wrote: »

i can understand that a bit, but thats like saying we need three Labs, in case a third person comes in ....

But it is supposed to be a Regional centre .......

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

But it is supposed to be a Regional centre .......

yes, but where does it say it needs two only? why not three for the population its covering
or as just one working 24 hours a day

robtri wrote: »

and may I ask who the acute coronary syndrome programme is???

The HSE programme to standardise heart attack treatment..

Squidvicious wrote: »

Good to see the Kilkenny hurling team offering to come on board with the campaign. If full 24/7 coronary care is to be delivered, it needs input from across the South-East. The more different groups that come on board, the more publicity the campaign will get. As the spokesman from Kilkenny GAA said, the only place that South-Eastern counties should line up against one another is on a sports field.

That is fantastic , as from my own experience speaking to people living less than 25 miles from the Waterford City in Tipp and KK , they all perceive this as being a Waterford City and County Issue no thanks to the National Media.