Philip Cairns' Murder finally confirmed?

Ferrari3600 · 08-12-2016 03:41PM

Going Forward wrote: »

It's a snapshot in time of how easily certain people gravitate to someone in a certain position thanks to them not being able to differentiate between fact and fiction.

Yes and also I think people with grudges against 'the establishment' (sometimes for entirely legitimate reasons) join the band-wagon without ever considering if the bizarre and outlandish conspiracy theories that O'Callaghan has been spouting are in the family's best interests.

The Parish priest · 08-12-2016 04:10PM

Why are people against GOC ? In fairness to the guy he was 100 percent right that the cooke story was horse****, As well as Philips mother not believing it, it has now been proven that the girl was in primary school that day but of course Garda shills Paul Ryonolds and Barry Commins wouldn't shout that from the rooftops

endacl · 08-12-2016 05:49PM

The Parish priest wrote: »

Why are people against GOC ? In fairness to the guy he was 100 percent right that the cooke story was horse****, As well as Philips mother not believing it, it has now been proven that the girl was in primary school that day but of course Garda shills Paul Ryonolds and Barry Commins wouldn't shout that from the rooftops

Speaking personally, as somebody who knew Philip well and was of an age with him, I don't like what O'Callaghan has to say for two main reasons.

Firstly, as Sandra Cairns stated, he's wrong. On practically every count. He paints a picture of Philip as a child which, quite simply, is nothing like what Philip was as a child. He's insinuated a conspiracy that holds no water, outside of the online ramblings of his followers.

Secondly, because his 'campaign' serves no purpose other than to promote Gareth O'Callaghan.

He's a dick. A self serving dick, and a fantasist.

twill · 08-12-2016 05:49PM

The Parish priest wrote: »

Why are people against GOC ? In fairness to the guy he was 100 percent right that the cooke story was horse****, As well as Philips mother not believing it, it has now been proven that the girl was in primary school that day but of course Garda shills Paul Ryonolds and Barry Commins wouldn't shout that from the rooftops

Yes, he may have been right that the story was baseless, it didn't take a genius to see that it stank to high heaven from the start. But he's been accusing people publicly with no evidence whatever, and it all has the air of complete invention. IF Gardai have been peddling nonsense, isn't that a big story in itself without having to embellish it and take down innocent people in the process?

Going Forward · 08-12-2016 06:11PM

The Parish priest wrote: »

Why are people against GOC ? In fairness to the guy he was 100 percent right that the cooke story was horse****, As well as Philips mother not believing it, it has now been proven that the girl was in primary school that day but of course Garda shills Paul Ryonolds and Barry Commins wouldn't shout that from the rooftops

I think it was the fact that he literally led people up a garden path.

He quickly went very quiet after having victoriously identified an address and assembling a crowd with pitchforks and shovels ready to dig.

He gave no credible explanation for accepting the rather blasé explanation he accepted from one of the "good" gaurds in the country about their refusal to entertain his theory or investigate the garden.

Suddenly it was ok, all the talk of a corrupt state was out the window.

He encouraged people to jam phone lines on Crimecall then panicked and said don't and he didn't take kindly to anyone telling him that supposition is not evidence.

He wouldn't credit and name the one priest who he said he admired greatly but named any dead person or priest under the sun when it suited.

He "uncovered" nothing that is not already in the public domain, from Jimmy Guerin's interesting pieces to Jim Cairns' odder ramblings, not forgetting the rehashing of information already published by Barry Cummins but drew them together, not a terribly difficult task or achievement but complained of being terribly drained and exhausted by his efforts.

He courted all and sundry to "share" their stories with him as if he was wanting a slice of their pain and hurt in order that he might empathise all the better.

Who was benefitting from any therapeutic value from this arrangement is anyone's guess going by the amount of whinging he was doing about the suffering he was enduring to force himself through it.

And then the followers began.

One felt more pain than the next, more hurt more confusion, and each one tripping over another praising the Messiah for bringing them salvation and knowledge of a case they could have researched themselves and should have heard of.

HellSquirrel · 08-12-2016 06:20PM

endacl wrote: »

Speaking personally, as somebody who knew Philip well and was of an age with him, I don't like what O'Callaghan has to say for two main reasons.

Firstly, as Sandra Cairns stated, he's wrong. On practically every count. He paints a picture of Philip as a child which, quite simply, is nothing like what Philip was as a child. He's insinuated a conspiracy that holds no water, outside of the online ramblings of his followers.

Secondly, because his 'campaign' serves no purpose other than to promote Gareth O'Callaghan.

He's a dick. A self serving dick, and a fantasist.

There's a lot of story around the case and his disappearance and relatively little (or at least disputed) about the boy himself. Would you mind telling us a bit about what you remember of Phillip Cairns himself and what the time and place was like? I don't mean just relevant to his disappearance, but human context, really. It's a bit too easy to treat this as a puzzle to be solved rather than what it is.

Although if you reckon he (and his family) should be accorded as much privacy as possible and that'd breach it, that's absolutely okay ofc.

Fleawuss · 08-12-2016 06:33PM

Mischa68 wrote: »

@ enda1
If Philip took your 'alternative route' was he likely to be seen by someone on his way back to school? For me the biggest question always was why nobody saw him after he left his home. There must have been other boys by the dozen heading back to school, too

It is the asking of the apparently most simple questions which point out the most enormous truth.

Going Forward · 08-12-2016 07:14PM

Fleawuss wrote: »

It is the asking of the apparently most simple questions which point out the most enormous truth.

He didn't leave home?

political analyst · 08-12-2016 07:17PM

Presumably, the online campaign is to seek the truth about Philip's disappearance. So why is Philip's sister against it?

Fleawuss · 08-12-2016 07:17PM

Going Forward wrote: »

He didn't leave home?

He asked AFTER he left home.

Losty Dublin · 08-12-2016 07:41PM

Mischa68 wrote: »

As far as I got it all of Eamonn Cooke's victims were girls. So why should he have killed Philip?

One of Cooke's most recent convictions related to a male victim. As the victim was underage the case was reported on with the usual degree of anonymity, thus ensuring that his name was unreported.

political analyst · 08-12-2016 07:43PM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

One of Cooke's most recent convictions related to a male victim. As the victim was underage the case was reported on with the usual degree of anonymity, thus ensuring that his name was unreported.

I haven't come across any indication of any of Cooke's victims being male.

Fuzzy Clam · 08-12-2016 08:06PM

political analyst wrote:

I haven't come across any indication of any of Cooke's victims being male.

He was also very publicly anti homosexual although that may have been just a front.

Going Forward · 08-12-2016 08:34PM

Fleawuss wrote: »

He asked AFTER he left home.

I know.

Losty Dublin · 08-12-2016 10:43PM

political analyst wrote: »

I haven't come across any indication of any of Cooke's victims being male.

According to a friend who worked on a radio news desk, Cooke had been found guilty of abuse charges and sentenced to life in 2011. I gather that one of the victims in this case was a male. Unfortunately that's all I know about it and yes, the information is scant and I understand totally if you don't take it as fact.

political analyst · 08-12-2016 11:53PM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

According to a friend who worked on a radio news desk, Cooke had been found guilty of abuse charges and sentenced to life in 2011. I gather that one of the victims in this case was a male. Unfortunately that's all I know about it and yes, the information is scant and I understand totally if you don't take it as fact.

He was convicted in 2003 then had the convictions quashed and, in 2007, he was convicted in a retrial. The media never said that any of his victims was male. If he had been convicted and sentence of another offence in 2011 it would have been in the news.

political analyst · 09-12-2016 02:30AM

http://www.thejournal.ie/philip-cairns-deeply-hurtful-sister-3127419-Dec2016/

Sandra Cairns spoke yesterday at National Missing Person’s Day at Farmleigh House in the Phoenix Park.

Describing her brother, who disappeared in 1986, as “a kind and thoughtful child who got on with everyone”, Sandra said she was horrified to discover what was being said online about his case and what might have happened to him.

She spoke of her fears that with so much inaccurate reporting on social media, those who may have the information to solve the case could now be apprehensive about coming forward.

She said: “There has been a campaign on social media which has been shocking and deeply distressing for our family. Individuals who don’t know Philip have tried to establish themselves as an authority on every aspect of his life. They have attempted to link Philip to individuals and groups who have no connection to us.

He has been inaccurately described as a troubled, distressed and vulnerable loner. A disturbing narrative has been created which casts a sinister shadow over everything he loved and enjoyed."

It doesn't appear that anything hateful was said about Philip in social media.

Ferrari3600 · 09-12-2016 03:05AM

political analyst wrote: »

Presumably, the online campaign is to seek the truth about Philip's disappearance. So why is Philip's sister against it?

Pathetic, as usual.

monty_python · 09-12-2016 03:45AM

who is GOC??

Seth Brundle · 09-12-2016 07:08AM

monty_python wrote: »

who is GOC??

Philip's DJ cousin (who iirc never met) Gareth O'Callaghan

Kamili · 09-12-2016 09:28AM

political analyst wrote: »

Presumably, the online campaign is to seek the truth about Philip's disappearance. So why is Philip's sister against it?

Because as noted its full of wild allegations and untruths, and is nothing but a ploy to get more followers.

Not to mention the fact that it is interfering massively in the actual investigation by the Gardaí, to the point of hindering it.

this person never knew Phillip, so he shouldn't be carrying on like he was his bessie mate. Nor should he be acusing random priests and people in the area of murder. Completely unfounded and disgraceful.

He's nothing but an idiot on a soap box.

endacl · 09-12-2016 10:58AM

political analyst wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/philip-cairns-deeply-hurtful-sister-3127419-Dec2016/

It doesn't appear that anything hateful was said about Philip in social media.

That he was 'a loner', and 'deeply troubled', for starters.

He wasn't.

The_Kew_Tour · 09-12-2016 01:01PM

Even if he was a loner who cares. Nothing to do with case.

political analyst · 09-12-2016 01:41PM

endacl wrote: »

That he was 'a loner', and 'deeply troubled', for starters.

He wasn't.

Those phrases sound like expressions of sympathy, not hate.

Kamili · 09-12-2016 01:42PM

political analyst wrote: »

Those phrases sound like expressions of sympathy, not hate.

End of the day they are lies.

Mutant z · 09-12-2016 02:08PM

Is there any possibility that he might still be alive.

endacl · 09-12-2016 02:25PM

political analyst wrote: »

Those phrases sound like expressions of sympathy, not hate.

Go find them in context. They're not 'expressions of hate'. They're 'hateful expressions'. If you don't get the difference you're not equipped to follow the nuances of the conversation.

political analyst · 09-12-2016 06:08PM

endacl wrote: »

Go find them in context. They're not 'expressions of hate'. They're 'hateful expressions'. If you don't get the difference you're not equipped to follow the nuances of the conversation.

Expression of hate, hateful expression - same thing. If you think there's a difference then please explain.

political analyst · 09-12-2016 06:41PM

Describing someone as troubled is sympathetic, not hateful.

Losty Dublin · 09-12-2016 06:55PM

political analyst wrote: »

He was convicted in 2003 then had the convictions quashed and, in 2007, he was convicted in a retrial. The media never said that any of his victims was male. If he had been convicted and sentence of another offence in 2011 it would have been in the news.

As I said, names were withheld as the case involved minors so his name wouldn't have gotten out. At the time of his death he was still incarcerated; bear in mind that this was long after he had served his original sentences.

Philip Cairns' Murder finally confirmed?

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