Philip Cairns' Murder finally confirmed?

brooke 2

intheclouds wrote: »

You've really got to wonder at his motives. I feel like he is torturing Phillips mother with some of what he is spouting.

Really trying to deflect from Cooke, for some reason. Has denied he knew anything about the paedophile activities of Cooke, even though he worked with him. AFAIK, he started on Radio Dublin after the incident in which previous djs thrashed the station, allegedly because they became aware of Cooke's abuse of young girls.
Can't believe O'Callaghan had not heard of this at the time.

Going Forward

brooke 2 wrote: »

Really trying to deflect from Cooke, for some reason. Has denied he knew anything about the paedophile activities of Cooke, even though he worked with him. AFAIK, he started on Radio Dublin after the incident in which previous djs thrashed the station, allegedly because they became aware of Cooke's abuse of young girls.
Can't believe O'Callaghan had not heard of this at the time.

I wouldn't mind him deflecting from the Cooke theory at all, but he seems to have assumed a Messiah complex about it, which his followers on Facebook are lapping up if the comments are anything to go by.

He was brave to name a dead priest alright.

Going Forward

Kamili wrote: »

He claims they have the same great grandfather I think. Philip's mother has said she has never met him.

I was glad to see her asking him to forward any information he has to the gaurds.

It's up to him to be credible after that.

twill

brooke 2 wrote: »

Really trying to deflect from Cooke, for some reason. Has denied he knew anything about the paedophile activities of Cooke, even though he worked with him. AFAIK, he started on Radio Dublin after the incident in which previous djs thrashed the station, allegedly because they became aware of Cooke's abuse of young girls.
Can't believe O'Callaghan had not heard of this at the time.

If you are insinuating that he's covering up for Cooke, it's pretty nasty and baseless, although O'Callaghan hasn't exactly covered himself in glory either.

The fact is that he raised some, in my opinion, very valid suspicions about how the Gardaí were publicising the case as solved before the new allegations were even looked at. When Gemma O'Doherty retweeted his Facebook post I think he got notions about being a rogue reporter and uncovering a historical crime and possible coverup. Or perhaps people have contacted him, but he lacks the knowledge of journalism to separate the genuine tip-offs from the spoofers.

I get that people might still be afraid to talk to Gardaí and the mainstream press for fear of repercussions - it's very possible - but the way he's gone about things is seriously ill-judged.

Kamili

Going Forward wrote: »

He was brave to name a dead priest alright.

kinda defeats his argument over pinning it on a man after his death too.

I suspect because he knew Cooke he doesn't want to admit that he didn't notice anything and is pinning it on a man that has no family to defend him and died in 1994.

My family were very fond of Touhy when I was growing up. It was in fact his successor that was the strange one, he was rumoured to have had a child.
Only rumours though and nothing solid. Which you can't go to the Gardaí with.

brooke 2

Kamili wrote: »

kinda defeats his argument over pinning it on a man after his death too.

I suspect because he knew Cooke he doesn't want to admit that he didn't notice anything and is pinning it on a man that has no family to defend him and died in 1994.

My family were very fond of Touhy when I was growing up. It was in fact his successor that was the strange one, he was rumoured to have had a child.
Only rumours though and nothing solid. Which you can't go to the Gardaí with.

I also think that he feels uncomfortable with the fact that he went to work with Cooke at a time when others were aware of the paedophile's activities. I heard him on Joe Duffy strenuously denying that he was unaware of any abuse being perpetrated by Cooke, at the same time as another guy, close to the station and clearly an acquaintance of O'Callaghan, was recounting instances of abuse carried out by Cooke. I guess if he admitted to knowing anything he would leave himself open to questions as to why he did nothing about it.

Stasi 2.0

brooke 2 wrote: »

Really trying to deflect from Cooke, for some reason. Has denied he knew anything about the paedophile activities of Cooke, even though he worked with him. AFAIK, he started on Radio Dublin after the incident in which previous djs thrashed the station, allegedly because they became aware of Cooke's abuse of young girls.
Can't believe O'Callaghan had not heard of this at the time.

A lot of people (hundreds in fact) worked for Radio Dublin after 1978 Cookes denials seemed quite credible (despite other bizarre aspects of his behaviour) at the time given that the police hadnt questioned letalone arrested him and it seemed reasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt but its a bit of a streach that someone could have been involved in the radio scene at the time and heard nothing at all.

Reckon GOC is in denial having heard something back in the day but not believing it at the time. Lots of others did the same though.

brooke 2

twill wrote: »

If you are insinuating that he's covering up for Cooke, it's pretty nasty and baseless, although O'Callaghan hasn't exactly covered himself in glory either.

The fact is that he raised some, in my opinion, very valid suspicions about how the Gardaí were publicising the case as solved before the new allegations were even looked at. When Gemma O'Doherty retweeted his Facebook post I think he got notions about being a rogue reporter and uncovering a historical crime and possible coverup. Or perhaps people have contacted him, but he lacks the knowledge of journalism to separate the genuine tip-offs from the spoofers.

I get that people might still be afraid to talk to Gardaí and the mainstream press for fear of repercussions - it's very possible - but the way he's gone about things is seriously ill-judged.

Am not insinuating anything of the sort. Just think O'Callaghan is covering his own ass. How could he explain doing nothing about the abuse if he admitted to knowing about it, which I believe he did.

Kamili

Stasi 2.0 wrote: »

A lot of people (hundreds in fact) worked for Radio Dublin after 1978 Cookes denials seemed quite credible at the time given that the police hadnt questioned letalone arrested him but its a bit of a streach that someone could have been involved in the radio scene at the time and heard nothing at all.

I think Dave Fanning and Marty Whelan were some of those..

Fanning admits to not realising either

http://www.thejournal.ie/philip-cairns-eamon-cooke-profile-2820105-Jun2016/

Radio Dublin, with Cooke still at the helm, lasted into the late 90s – and launched the careers of an array of household Irish broadcasting names, including RTÉ stalwarts Marty Whelan and Dave Fanning.
Years later, Fanning recalled his years at the pirate radio station:
Station founder “Captain” Eamon Cooke was a bizarre character – a wizened, mature man of indeterminate but possibly pensionable age who drove an old white Rolls Royce and who largely left me alone as he pottered around the house.I always thought he was a harmless eccentric – until, years later, a journalist phoned with the news that the Captain had been sent to jail for sex offences.

LorMal

At first, I honestly think he was harmlessly but rather pathetically seeking affirmation and attention (for example describing Philip's inner thoughts and interests as if he knew him intimately as his 'cousin' - in fact he has never met Philip or any of Philip's family).

I now think this has become something else - denigrating the reputation of an innocent man without any evidence (Fr Touhy) and causing upset to the family by offering complete hearsay as concrete evidence of sexual abuse.

He is also possibly hampering the investigation by very publicly dismissing the evidence of witnesses thereby potentially discouraging others from coming forward.

He is getting something from this - the warm glow of publicity and attention.

Ireland's Nigel Farage perhaps...

Kamili

So this has gone up on Broadsheet

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/07/18/the-world-that-philip-cairns-felt-so-threatened-by-is-becoming-much-clearer/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=web&utm_content=latest_comments#comment-1644008

The last line of the article is very interesting.

You might have taken Philip’s life, but he hasn’t gone away.

Gareth O’Callaghan (Facebook)

‘If DJ has information he should go to gardaí’ – missing Philip Cairns’ mum (Independent.ie)

with a link to the Indo article.

Was that done on purpose?

The comments are interesting too. Basically believing the BookFace Posts.

Sigh

Going Forward

Kamili wrote: »

So this has gone up on Broadsheet

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/07/18/the-world-that-philip-cairns-felt-so-threatened-by-is-becoming-much-clearer/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=web&utm_content=latest_comments#comment-1644008

The last line of the article is very interesting.

with a link to the Indo article.

Was that done on purpose?

The comments are interesting too. Basically believing the BookFace Posts.

Sigh

The comments on O'Callaghan's FB page are some of the most bizarre I've ever read.

One trying to out do the other publishing their personal history and running out of ways to praise him.

Is this the new way????

Going Forward

Kamili wrote: »

I think Dave Fanning and Marty Whelan were some of those..

Fanning admits to not realising either

http://www.thejournal.ie/philip-cairns-eamon-cooke-profile-2820105-Jun2016/

They must not have known about the "mutiny".

Lisha

Going Forward wrote: »

The comments on O'Callaghan's FB page are some of the most bizarre I've ever read.

One trying to out do the other publishing their personal history and running out of ways to praise him.

Is this the new way????

Its pretty bizarre alright

pc7

It's plain wrong, he's not theorising about who was Jack the Ripper. He's posting carelessly about a missing/murdered child whose family are still suffering and wondering what happened their child. If he has information he needs to go to the police, if he's unwell he needs to be hospitalised or helped, his ramblings are dangerous and hurtful.

Kamili

pc7 wrote: »

It's plain wrong, he's not theorising about who was Jack the Ripper. He's posting carelessly about a missing/murdered child whose family are still suffering and wondering what happened their child. If he has information he needs to go to the police, if he's unwell he needs to be hospitalised or helped, his ramblings are dangerous and hurtful.

And not just to the Cairns family.

pc7

Kamili wrote: »

And not just to the Cairns family.

Very true

linda75

Goc has another post yesterday claiming he has been with the gardai and they understand the information is from people who spoke to him confidentially.sorry I cannot seem to post the link here for his latest ramblings but it goes along the same vein as the others. The comments underneath baffle me.I think because Goc claims he was himself abused by a clergy man he's jumping to serious defamatory conclusions.Glory hunting is all hes doing.The only reason im still following his posts is my long time interest in this case.Goc is in my opinion loving all this with no regard foor the Cairns family or respect for the dead

themont85

linda75 wrote: »

Goc has another post yesterday claiming he has been with the gardai and they understand the information is from people who spoke to him confidentially.sorry I cannot seem to post the link here for his latest ramblings but it goes along the same vein as the others. The comments underneath baffle me.I think because Goc claims he was himself abused by a clergy man he's jumping to serious defamatory conclusions.Glory hunting is all hes doing.The only reason im still following his posts is my long time interest in this case.Goc is in my opinion loving all this with no regard foor the Cairns family or respect for the dead

It's outrageous that he writes some of this stuff.

I need to say this to those of you who are terrified of what some gardai were capable of doing thirty years ago: I got a reassurance yesterday from a man who I believe I can trust implicitly, that this team of investigators have the best of intentions at the heart of their work in the search for Philip. This man believes, as indeed do I, that this case can still be solved. These men and women are modern thinkers. They are proactive and empathic and hungry for answers like so many who have been responding here in recent days. They bear no resemblance to the corrupt characters back then that we have been hearing so much about in recent years.

What he's implying about original officers on the case has no basis to it. But "corrupt cops" will get you airtime from cranks on social media.

I need to emphasise that I have nothing personal to gain by my involvement in the disappearance of Philip Cairns. I was abused when I was Philip's age. Thankfully I survived. Sadly Philip didn't.

He once again says it as fact that Philip Cairs was abused. He mentions his own abuse though so nobody can call him up on it. :rolleyes:

The rest of his post is self congratulatory, self righteous nonsense that frames anyone who criticises him as trying to "scare" him to stop.

linda75

The public comments under his posts are unbelievable it just shows how people can so easily believe anything without researching it.

LorMal

themont85 wrote: »

It's outrageous that he writes some of this stuff.



What he's implying about original officers on the case has no basis to it. But "corrupt cops" will get you airtime from cranks on social media.



He once again says it as fact that Philip Cairs was abused. He mentions his own abuse though so nobody can call him up on it. :rolleyes:

The rest of his post is self congratulatory, self righteous nonsense that frames anyone who criticises him as trying to "scare" him to stop.

The corrupt cops thing is just outrageous. I am sure the policemen who were working on that case were are shocked and outraged as we all were and did their very best to find Philip. (I suspect they may not have had the training, experience or resources to do the job effectively but I see no reason to question their motivation or their sincerity).
This DJ would be well advised to stick with playing pop records.

tylercheribini

The TV3 documentary is on again, I forgot how insufferable the blonde tabloid journo was.

linda75

Another post on Facebook today by Gareth Ocallaghan...

Going Forward

linda75 wrote: »

Another post on Facebook today by Gareth Ocallaghan...

It's ok, I'll provide a link;)


He claims to have identified the car as a Daihatsu Charade.
From another confidante.

And describes it as a popular, sporty vehicle of the day....

A 3 cylinder runabout.

"A sporty car to drive and own back in the '80s."

A last resort if on a budget.

"If you drove one of these, you turned heads and were noticed."

Mmmmm.

That said I don't rubbish all his theories, but the combination of God complex and his followers does raise concerns.

Losty Dublin

Not having been on his afternoon show all week, Gareth had time to pluck to more a few more factoids out of his jacksie. If you move quickly you'll even see reference to his comment massaging

https://www.facebook.com/gareth.ocallaghan.1/?fref=ts

Going Forward

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Not having been on his afternoon show all week, Gareth had time to pluck to more a few more factoids out of his jacksie. If you move quickly you'll even see reference to his comment massaging

https://www.facebook.com/gareth.ocallaghan.1/?fref=ts

I quote:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Alfa_Romeo_GTV_Coupé_rear_20070516.jpg/324px-Alfa_Romeo_GTV_Coupé_rear_20070516.jpg

"This is a rare car. It would be regarded today as a collector's item. Certainly it would be considered extremely rare to have seen this car on Irish roads in 1986 when it would have been a head-turner.

It's a red Alpha Romeo GTV. It would have had a very specific loud roar to it. It would have hugged the road surface with its low chassis and motor enthusiasts all over Ireland would definitely want to know who owned it; that's of course if locally many of them didn't already know the owner. The man who owned this car would also most likely have been a member of a motor enthusiasts' club somewhere in the city or beyond.

This car was spotted on a number of occassions around the Rathfarnham/Ballyroan/Terenure areas in the days and weeks prior to Philip Cairns disappearance. The individual who drove the car was in his early 40s, curly grey-hair and clean-shaven.

This is also the car that was sighted on the day of Philip's disappearance. Someone - possibly motorists and others, including students and teachers returning to school along the Ballyroan Road that day - would have seen it. In fact it would have been impossible not to notice this car. It would stand out in a line of traffic because of its unique shape and its loud roar. If you like your cars, you will know instantly the sort of impact this car would make on car enthusiasts.

I believe this car may have, or may not have, belonged to a man who I have been told was a member of a prayer group that Philip had joined in Ballyroan. This man was also a member of the fishing club that Philip and his father and brother and friends were members of. The fishing group were planning to go away for the long October bank holiday weekend - the day after Philip went missing. Philip had also decided not to go to a meeting the night before he disappeared. Was this a meeting of the prayer group? Was he afraid of this man? Could this have been the man who intercepted his walk back to school that day?

This man died in 2006. He was well-connected politically and in social circles because his father was a well-known highly-regarded surgeon and pathologist who would have worked closely on many murder cases in the 70s and 80s.

We will probably never know if he offered Philip a lift back to school that afternoon. However there has to be someone out there who remembers this huge, chunky weird-looking red sports car parked awkwardly at a busy junction in Ballyroan that afternoon.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Daihatsu_Charade_front_20081127.jpg/220px-Daihatsu_Charade_front_20081127.jpg
This is a 1986 Daihatsu Charade. It would have been a popular sporty car to own and drive back in the 80s. If you drove one of these, you turned heads and were noticed. It's also a car that featured in a lot of speculation in the aftermath of Philip's disappearance. At about 1.35pm on that afternoon when Philip left home to return to school, this car was spotted parked awkwardly at the junction of Ballyroan Road and Ballyroan Crescent. The passenger door of the car was open and the driver was talking to a young boy in a school uniform who was standing by the open door. The driver had grey curly hair and was clean-shaven. This is believed to be the last known sighting of Philip. The man who witnessed the scene said it was a red/wine coloured Japanese car. He remembered three digits from the car's registration: ZU and 7.

Another motorist saw a red car dangerously parked at the same junction on the Ballyroan Road at the same time. He was on his way to catch a flight at Dublin airport. He became annoyed at the way the car was parked at an angle, causing other motorists to swerve to avoid him. The man wrote down the registration with a view to reporting the driver to the gardai when he arrived back in Dublin. He noticed a young boy wearing a grey school jumper and carrying a school bag approach the passenger side of the car. In the days that followed his wife cleaned out the car and threw away the piece of paper that held the registration number.

1.35pm is a crucial time for the students returning to afternoon classes. Hundreds of students would be using this same route at exactly the same time. There must be at least one person who remembers seeing this young boy talking to this motorist that day.

Another man who was a young student back in 1986 told me that a red Daihatsu Charade had followed him on a couple of occasions while he was walking down the Ballyroan Road returning to school in Colaiste Eanna. The car slowed down to match his walking pace and the driver watched him until the young boy broke into a run to get away from him. He told me that the registration of the car was MZG 423

Thank fcuk he's stopped going on about a Daihatsu Chardade being a real head turner:pac::pac:

I didn't even bother with the comments yet, are they good as last time??

Stasi 2.0

The comments are even worse than GOC's drivel. Seemingly about 80% of the pupulation back then were part of a powerful elite involved in a massive conspiracy commiting unspeakably terrible crimes against the other 80% of the population and anyone who doesnt agree is hiding something.

Losty Dublin

Going Forward wrote: »

I didn't even bother with the comments yet, are they good as last time??

The same levels of back patting, air high 5's and fist bumps as ever. Since then, he's now on about how he was abused and so on and so forth.

In other words, he'd turned it all around into being about himself :rolleyes:

WonkyMe

Hmm ... the ramblings make me suspect that somebody is trying to divert attention from something/somewhere else....

Kamili

WonkyMe wrote: »

Hmm ... the ramblings make me suspect that somebody is trying to divert attention from something/somewhere else....

I have to agree, seems very attention seeking.

There's been no "press release" from the gardai on any new developments in the case so you kinda have to wonder if anything said by this guy is actually true