Philip Cairns' Murder finally confirmed?

Fleawuss · 21-10-2016 10:17PM

I just checked back in here and four months after the thread started the Cairns case starts to slip beneath the surface again. No word from the Gardai. And it all just drifts back into the familiar darkness.

evolving_doors · 22-10-2016 09:33AM

Gareth Facebook message to Philip doing the rounds now.
He alleges theres a body buried in the garden of a former ' diplomatic' residence which a local superintendent is preventing from being excavated as it has diplomatic immunity status... Or something. The house is in private ownership now though and Gareth is waiting with shovels/dogs/technology ready to be deployed.

, it's one of those things... If you've nothing to hide then let us search it... I dunno, there doesn't seem to be much credence on here for gareths 'work'. Myself included maybe.. But hey, if it's kept in the public eye (albeit conspiracy theories) then maybe sometime might eventually come forward.

Has everyone given up on the idea that it was the radio station guy?

Fleawuss · 22-10-2016 10:03AM

The Cooke thing seems to be gone. I read the GOC FB where he said the sindo had an article where Gardai had abandoned it. Any other source?

snowbabe · 22-10-2016 12:29PM

I actually give alot of credence to GOC posts.There has been people who have gone to the police and nothing was done with their statements.As for the garden surely it would be worth trying it as so many people think the former owner was of dubious character .Anyway there is a silent protest tomorrow which I think would be nice to remember this lost little boy. It's also shocking to think that ex-garda is walking around after he was deemed unfit for trial due to alzehimers ,and unbelievable that 8 years later he is still driving !! The system failed those two girls he abused .Nothing surprises me at all anymore,but I do think GOC isnt too far off the mark in this very sad case.

Losty Dublin · 22-10-2016 05:03PM

GOC's investigation has credence? Seriously? Have you read any of his posts over the last few months? It's just week after week of unproven hyperbole that the Daily Mail would be proud off.

The guy has no evidence bar what we've all read via the conventional media. He's been plucking factiods out of his arse and is feeding it to an audience who, God bless, know no better. It's a trail of mundane family cars and politicians and priests and fishing boats and filled in ponds and totally anon tip offs, all of whom he claims to have been ignored by the Gardaí, of which every single one in Ireland ever has been sworn to secrecy.

It all sounds more like the plot of a Jessica Fletcher on Murder She Wrote. And all of this cracked by Philip's distant cousin with sources that were all known about :rolleyes:

In short, it's rubbish but sure you can read about it all in a new book coming soon :rolleyes:

Edit. Today's FB post claims that the family of Cairns have distanced themselves from his campaign. To his disgust no less.

snowbabe wrote: »

I actually give alot of credence to GOC posts.There has been people who have gone to the police and nothing was done with their statements.As for the garden surely it would be worth trying it as so many people think the former owner was of dubious character .Anyway there is a silent protest tomorrow which I think would be nice to remember this lost little boy. It's also shocking to think that ex-garda is walking around after he was deemed unfit for trial due to alzehimers ,and unbelievable that 8 years later he is still driving !! The system failed those two girls he abused .Nothing surprises me at all anymore,but I do think GOC isnt too far off the mark in this very sad case.

Going Forward · 23-10-2016 03:06AM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

GOC's investigation has credence? Seriously? Have you read any of his posts over the last few months? It's just week after week of unproven hyperbole that the Daily Mail would be proud off.

The guy has no evidence bar what we've all read via the conventional media. He's been plucking factiods out of his arse and is feeding it to an audience who, God bless, know no better. It's a trail of mundane family cars and politicians and priests and fishing boats and filled in ponds and totally anon tip offs, all of whom he claims to have been ignored by the Gardaí, of which every single one in Ireland ever has been sworn to secrecy.

It all sounds more like the plot of a Jessica Fletcher on Murder She Wrote. And all of this cracked by Philip's distant cousin with sources that were all known about :rolleyes:

In short, it's rubbish but sure you can read about it all in a new book coming soon :rolleyes:

Edit. Today's FB post claims that the family of Cairns have distanced themselves from his campaign. To his disgust no less.

The responses/replies to his musings are worth reading.

He's urging them to phone Crimecall on Monday night with his "new information".

They're replying to him asking what should they say....

And advising him to watch his back, stay safe and telling him how great he is.

Dimwits.

There's going to be a lynch mob with pitch forks outside the garden of the house they've identified if it keeps up.

Or his special team of investigators, ready for the call.

Who knows, maybe it needs to be done, there's not much else left to try, thirty years on.....

HS3 · 23-10-2016 09:31AM

That GOC page is a bit odd. I've been following it for a while and honestly cannot believe what he's allowed get away with. It's like the page has turned from finding Kearns into a personal campaign against child abusers. Which, of course, there's nothing wrong with, as long as you're aware that if you name anyone you're diluting the whole fair trial dealio. But my thinking is don't do it in the name of Philip. And why would they kill him and no one else?

All the followers are accepting is diatribe as fact, which is a bit alarming. Trial by fb is very worrying.

From my recollection, the police have always tried to keep the case as much in the spotlight as they can. It was regularly in the media after he went missing and on anniversaries etc. I don't know how they can be accused of brushing it under the carpet? Maybe im remembering it wrong though.

Losty Dublin · 23-10-2016 10:17AM

Going Forward wrote: »

There's going to be a lynch mob with pitch forks outside the garden of the house they've identified if it keeps up.

Or his special team of investigators, ready for the call.

There were reportedly people calling up to a street mentioned on one of his threads.

Going Forward · 23-10-2016 12:35PM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

There were reportedly people calling up to a street mentioned on one of his threads.

That's presumably the one he's identified as the person in the last line here, lived in:

https://m.facebook.com/gareth.ocallaghan.1/posts/686604708153995

He now says he has been told by a 'local superintendent' that the house he has 'identified' is off limits because its connected to an embassy.

But he says it's not true anyway.

But the 'embassy' its connected to wouldn't be ahem, Embassy Estates??

A letting company?

http://www.embassyestates.com/bushy-park.html

That looks like a very complicated deceit on someone's part.

O Callaghan's or the 'local super's'?

GOC, to be able to show a plausible reason for NOT being allowed near the place?

Something something Embassy, which the followers have picked up as meaning diplomatic immunity, something which he hasn't taken the time to contradict.

Fleawuss · 23-10-2016 12:41PM

Again the Gardai ask that people who were young at the time who may know something about the bag to come forward. At this stage it is only to give peace to the family. Someone has lived their life and can give a scrap of comfort to Mrs Cairns.

I think short of spelling it out the Gardai have said what possibilities exist by their statement.

Fleawuss · 03-12-2016 12:06AM

Another month and silence. Sorry for the bump to the thread but it's weird how the thing is just allowed to slip away again.

The_Kew_Tour · 03-12-2016 12:12AM

Its one of those stories where you love to know what really happened and of course for family to have closure

Really is a mystery

I hope we get some light on it sooner then later

Kamili · 03-12-2016 10:01PM

I suspect we wont hear much more on this until the 35th or 40th anniversary, when they try pin it on someone else...

enda1 · 06-12-2016 12:17PM

Just an aside to the route to school debate I saw here earlier.

I grew up very close to poor Philip. I also always went home from school for lunch so would have walked a similar route albeit 10 years later.

Route

In black is a housing estate which was not there at the time it was a working yard with electrical stuff I seem to recall)
In blue is a housing estate that was built after Philip's disappearance.
In red is the alternative route I used to sometimes take. It involved hopping a wall in the corner of the field (Elkwood) and was a bit off the beaten track but was kinda cool for it's "secrecy" or whatever that kids get a kick out of and/or also if you'd a friend on that route you'd call by on the way back to school.

Just an observation.

philstar · 06-12-2016 05:16PM

enda1 wrote: »

I grew up very close to poor Philip.

and what did you hear over the years???

surely someone local knows what happened that day??

enda1 · 06-12-2016 05:40PM

philstar wrote: »

and what did you hear over the years???

surely someone local knows what happened that day??

Nothing

I was born a year before he disappeared

pc7 · 07-12-2016 01:33PM

Very hard listen to his poor sister today, talking about the social media campaign and irresponsible musings and speculation (basically talking about you know who). Hopefully he pipes down now. She made a valid point that someone with real information might doubt it and hold back cause of his high profile waffle and conjecture.

Kamili · 07-12-2016 02:04PM

I'm glad she said that, about time he was put back in his box.

Where was the interview aired? Would love to listen.

pc7 · 07-12-2016 02:20PM

Kamili wrote: »

Where was the interview aired? Would love to listen.

One o clock news on radio one, after 1.30 but before Joe Duffy started

Kamili · 07-12-2016 02:26PM

Cheers! I'll listen out, I'd say they will put it into most bulletins so

Losty Dublin · 07-12-2016 08:18PM

I used to work alongside Sandra and no nicer more gentle a soul you'd meet. Every single time I saw another GOC post on the subject I had somebody that I could actually picture her being hurt yet again by his keyboard banging.

The idea of her and her family hurting that bit more with each of his tactless, tasteless posts have eroded any respect I ever had for it, not to mention the cringeworthy replies from folk who have been duped by his pseudo concerns.

Kamili · 07-12-2016 10:03PM

I knew one of the people GOC accused too, and was horrified he stooped that low. He's only in it for one thing

HellSquirrel · 08-12-2016 12:21AM

The DNA on the bag doesn't really exonerate Cooke though. It just means that the woman's story and the other bits of circumstantial evidence around him didn't get back-up. If it comes to that, there's many possible reasons why his DNA wouldn't be on the bag even if he was involved in Phillip Cairns' disappearance.

There's nothing solid and it would never hold water in court, but he's probably the closest thing to a suspect they have.

Mischa68 · 08-12-2016 01:10AM

@ enda1
If Philip took your 'alternative route' was he likely to be seen by someone on his way back to school? For me the biggest question always was why nobody saw him after he left his home. There must have been other boys by the dozen heading back to school, too

Mischa68 · 08-12-2016 01:24AM

As far as I got it all of Eamonn Cooke's victims were girls. So why should he have killed Philip?

HellSquirrel · 08-12-2016 07:41AM

Mischa68 wrote: »

As far as I got it all of Eamonn Cooke's victims were girls. So why should he have killed Philip?

Thing is, no-one really knows. For obvious reasons, he didn't exactly keep records, and from the sounds of it, people weren't looking too close.

Mind, I'm not saying he was involved. While he was certainly a pretty horrible person and there is some circumstantial evidence linking him to Phillip Cairns, there's nothing really sure about any of it, and he may well be being pointed out because he seems to be literally the only potential suspect in the case (I might be wrong on that, just from what I've read, and I've not really followed the GOC business, nor do I entirely trust his research.)

-Someone- was involved. But unless the poor kid's body is found someday, I'm unconvinced we'll ever know who for sure.

Ferrari3600 · 08-12-2016 01:06PM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

I used to work alongside Sandra and no nicer more gentle a soul you'd meet. Every single time I saw another GOC post on the subject I had somebody that I could actually picture her being hurt yet again by his keyboard banging.

The idea of her and her family hurting that bit more with each of his tactless, tasteless posts have eroded any respect I ever had for it, not to mention the cringeworthy replies from folk who have been duped by his pseudo concerns.

Yep, especially the last bit. The people that have been egging him on Facebook are worse.

Going Forward · 08-12-2016 01:50PM

Ferrari3600 wrote: »

Yep, especially the last bit. The people that have been egging him on Facebook are worse.

It's a snapshot in time of how easily certain people gravitate to someone in a certain position thanks to them not being able to differentiate between fact and fiction.

Mutant z · 08-12-2016 01:58PM

How does anyone knew for sure if they have never found his body.

twill · 08-12-2016 02:03PM

Going Forward wrote: »

It's a snapshot in time of how easily certain people gravitate to someone in a certain position thanks to them not being able to differentiate between fact and fiction.

The problem was that the Garda approach to the Cooke affair made a lot of people very sceptical. They pretty much trumpeted it as case solved when that was by no means the case, then whenever anyone publicly questioned that, such as Cooke's daughter questioning the notion that he had 'virtually' confessed, they used released stories of new allegedly irrefutable evidence or how eeevil Cooke was. (Which he was, undoubtedly.) This was some very shady conduct by the Guards, in my view, and it's no wonder people started to doubt.

O'Callaghan manipulated the situation for his own purposes.

Philip Cairns' Murder finally confirmed?

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