Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

dinorebel wrote: »

So with Sterling back up again will they get the jobs back next year?

Yeh, like most businesses, they are on a tap. Turn them off and turn them on when needed. :rolleyes:

Unpossible wrote: »

The problem is that 27 nations have to agree on a deal, is she going to come up with carrots and sticks for everyone at the table?

I understand that, very true, although security (even though it has nothing to do with EU) is huge given PEOTUS pro Putin stance.
The initial agreement will be transition so it might help in affecting (slightly) the agreement put before the 27 for the transition.
The transition could well turn out to be the true Brexit as apparently the Brit Govt. does not trust Whitehall to continue Brexit once some deal is in place.
It wont go as far as the deal she envisages, or claims to envisage.

Unpossible wrote: »

Are they suggesting that the UK as a NATO member will withhold aid/security to another NATO member, Poland, if Poland don't agree to a favorable BREXIT deal?

No. I believe that they would be implying that there is a range of levels of support that the UK can give within NATO. The deal with Poland the other week demonstrated this. UK's sending 150 extra troops wasn't obligatory. But the UK is the biggest power in the area. It gives them some leverage with some of the Eastern States. As you say you need all 27 and any complications to the process makes a no deal hard Brexit more likley so it would be a foolish move, albeit one they are conpemplating or hinting at.

Merkel addresses her party saying there will be no cherry picking in the brexit negotiations. The bit in bold might indicate some level of trolling

Angela Merkel today issued a clear signal that she does not intend to give Britain much leeway in its Brexit negotiations - as the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator set an 18 month deadline.

The German Chancellor told her party’s conference that Theresa May’s government would need to respect freedom of movement and the single market as it plots to leave the EU.

“We will not allow any cherry picking,” Merkel said to cheers from 1,000 Christian Democrat Union delegates in the western rust belt city of Essen.

“The four basic freedoms must be safeguarded ― freedom of movement for people, goods, services and financial market products. Only then can there be access to the single market,” she added.

Freedom of movement and access to the single market remain stumbling blocks for the government as it wavers between ‘soft’ and ‘hard’ Brexit strategies.

Last week it was reported that Britain could pay to retain access to the single market, reaping the benefits of freer trade with Europe while relinquishing the ability to influence rules and regulations.

Earlier on Tuesday, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier told Theresa May: “We are ready, keep calm and negotiate.”

The EU official repeated the phrase twice, to drive home the pointed reference to the British pre-WWII campaign “keep calm and carry on” poster designed to prepare the population for war.

A No.10 spokesman, asked directly if Barnier had been “trolling” the prime minister, said: “We’re entering the negotiations in the spirit of good will. And we will do it calmly.”

Fratton Fred wrote: »

pretty **** trolling tbh. If he had said "Keep calm and negotiate on" it might have been a bit better.

well he is German. not known for rip-roaring comedy. Es ist ein guter Witz, ja?

Fratton Fred wrote: »

pretty **** trolling tbh. If he had said "Keep calm and negotiate on" it might have been a bit better.

I think you are not understanding just how badly Theresa May has allowed her ministers and hard Brexiters to sour the relationship.
For example it is completely a matter for the British Government to trigger article 50. How article 50 is triggerred is currently being decided in the British supreme court. Yet earlier she made public that she had asked Angela Merkel to 'sort out' the EU/British citizens negotiation before triggering article 50.
This is one of the 3 key areas of article 50 negotiation. It amounts to assembling the entire negotiating teams before article 50 was invoked. This is clearly impossible, May knows its impossible, everyone knows its impossible. The motive can only be to try and make the EU look bad by being dishonest. The hard Brexiters who until now displayed little more than contempt for expats in Europe or in the UK, now publicly accuse the EU of putting process before people.
The UK side are disgracing themselves and their country. Negotiatiosn allegedly start in 3 months. Time to grow up, rapid.

steddyeddy wrote: »

Merkel addresses her party saying there will be no cherry picking in the brexit negotiations. The bit in bold might indicate some level of trolling

Not much love lost there.

catbear wrote: »

January is going to be a real ****storm in the UK. I won't be surprised if there's a cross parliament split.

General election anybody?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

really? there are a lot of tory voters who voted to remain. will they vote for a party that has pledged to leave the EU? Could be the rise of the Lib Dems.

They got a majority with 38% in the last election. Recent polls (yes, I know) have them averaging about 42%. If Labour ditched Corbyn then maybe things could change but, as it stands, it is likely they would increase their majority

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

really? there are a lot of tory voters who voted to remain. will they vote for a party that has pledged to leave the EU? Could be the rise of the Lib Dems.

Last Thursday's by-election could put the Tories off going for an election just now.

greendom wrote: »

Last Thursday's by-election could put the Tories off going for an election just now.

That was always a remain seat, though, and the Tories didn't actually field a candidate.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

labour are a dead duck with Corbyn. May as well bring back Michael Foot. I dont think polls tell the full story. If you dont want brexit why would you vote for the tories?




Brexit is a busted flush. Even the people who voted for it dont want it. Most of them probably couldn't tell you what they actually voted for. Theresa May certainly cant.

Indeed, but many people vote for the Tories for reasons other than Brexit.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they do. but if the supreme court case fails and there is a general election then that election will turn on Brexit.

Even if the government loses the case, they'll still very likely get a Brexit bill through parliament.