Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

FrancieBrady

A Little Pony wrote: »

I wonder how many brown envelops have been passed around.

Or it's that thing called democracy in action?

A Little Pony

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

I wonder how many brown envelops have been passed around.

Or it's that thing called democracy in action?

Never underestimate the dark shadows in the background.

FrancieBrady

A Little Pony wrote: »

Never underestimate the dark shadows in the background.

I agree with you that the British establishment is rotten to the core but this challenge is a legitimate one from what I understand as is both verdicts. Just depends on interpretation.
British refs are not binding.

A Little Pony

If the house of commons passes Article 50, fine. But I don't like the idea of any chance of a delay happening. It needs to happen in March 2017, no later.

Capt'n Midnight

A Little Pony wrote: »

If the house of commons passes Article 50, fine. But I don't like the idea of any chance of a delay happening. It needs to happen in March 2017, no later.

You mean before all the rats leave the sinking ship ?

https://www.lawsociety.ie/Documents/Gazette/Gazette%202016/Gazette_December2016_page11.pdf

The tsunami of new solicitors
has been caused by the Brexit
driven transfer decisions of some
810 England and Wales-qualified
solicitors to take out a second
jurisdictional qualification, in
Ireland.

Fratton Fred

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

You mean before all the rats leave the sinking ship ?

https://www.lawsociety.ie/Documents/Gazette/Gazette%202016/Gazette_December2016_page11.pdf

That was a no brainer for a lot of lawyers. English law qualifications are recognized in Ireland and vice versa, so anyone registered with one law society can register with the other.

They aren't leaving, they are just registering to practice in another country, which will allow them to continue with ECJ cases.

So it's more following the gravy train, than leaving a sinking ship.

FrancieBrady

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That was a no brainer for a lot of lawyers. English law qualifications are recognized in Ireland and vice versa, so anyone registered with one law society can register with the other.

They aren't leaving, they are just registering to practice in another country, which will allow them to continue with ECJ cases.

So it's more following the gravy train, than leaving a sinking ship.

Arlene is just finished doing the same thing - 'it all means nothing, everything is going to be OK' on a BBC interview there. With a little bit of 'look at me, I am a victim' thrown in too.

Fratton Fred

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Arlene is just finished doing the same thing - 'it all means nothing, everything is going to be OK' on a BBC interview there. With a little bit of 'look at me, I am a victim' thrown in too.

what?

do you ever engage brain before mouth?

FrancieBrady

Fratton Fred wrote: »

what?

do you ever engage brain before mouth?

Yes, I can recognise those who are so scared of what they have done that they keep saying 'it'll be OK, honest, it will'.

Fratton Fred

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes, I can recognise those who are so scared of what they have done that they keep saying 'it'll be OK, honest, it will'.

nope, still can't understand you. It looks like you're writing in English, but it sounds like bollocks.

FrancieBrady

Fratton Fred wrote: »

nope, still can't understand you. It looks like you're writing in English, but it sounds like bollocks.

I think you understand perfectly but no odds, it won't stop you dismissing any signs of Brexit having a negative impact. Arlene reckons we'll all live happily ever after eventually btw so you have company.

Fratton Fred

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think you understand perfectly but no odds, it won't stop you dismissing any signs of Brexit having a negative impact. Arlene reckons we'll all live happily ever after eventually btw so you have company.

Aah, you're attempting to say that those lawyers registering to practice in Ireland is another sign of the end of the world.

No, as I pointed out, they have simply registered in a second jurisdiction. Any lawyer who wants to handle ECJ cases must be registered in an eu country, which they are doing. Very few, if any, will be actually moving to Ireland.

FrancieBrady

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Aah, you're attempting to say that those lawyers registering to practice in Ireland is another sign of the end of the world.

No, as I pointed out, they have simply registered in a second jurisdiction. Any lawyer who wants to handle ECJ cases must be registered in an eu country, which they are doing. Very few, if any, will be actually moving to Ireland.

Which will be an inconvenience, an added expense and therefore a negative.

The only person talking about the 'end of the world' are Brexiters and Britain worshippers, funny that isn't it?

steddyeddy

Arelene's not a lawyer is she?

130Kph

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Arlene is just finished doing the same thing - 'it all means nothing, everything is going to be OK' on a BBC interview there. With a little bit of 'look at me, I am a victim' thrown in too.

Have you ever sought professional advice.

It can be most beneficial for relatives of bombers. They have all sorts of cognitive therapy interventions as well as chemical solutions nowadays.

FrancieBrady

steddyeddy wrote: »

Arelene's not a lawyer is she?

LL.B degree from Queen's apparently

Fratton Fred

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Which will be an inconvenience, an added expense and therefore a negative.

a nominal expense at best.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The only person talking about the 'end of the world' are Brexiters and Britain worshippers, funny that isn't it?

I never had you down as a Britain worshipper. Obsessed with Britain, yes, but not a worshipper.

FrancieBrady

Fratton Fred wrote: »

a nominal expense at best.

And an inconvenience.

never had you down as a Britain worshipper. Obsessed with Britain, yes, but not a worshipper.

Wow, drat, how did you do that! :rolleyes:

Fratton Fred

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And an inconvenience:

Getting the PA to send a cheque to Dublin once a year, bummer.

FrancieBrady

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Getting the PA to send a cheque to Dublin once a year, bummer.

I think it might be a bit more complicated than that but it is still something that didn't need to happen.
Like my uncle having to lay off 7 part time mushroom workers on Friday.
Suppose that isn't a negative or an inconvenience either in worshipland.

Fratton Fred

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think it might be a bit more complicated than that but it is still something that didn't need to happen.
Like my uncle having to lay off 7 part time mushroom workers on Friday.
Suppose that isn't a negative or an inconvenience either in worshipland.

did he keep them in the dark and feed them bull****?

FrancieBrady

Fratton Fred wrote: »

did he keep them in the dark and feed them bull****?

Is that another way of downplaying a negative?

catbear

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think it might be a bit more complicated than that but it is still something that didn't need to happen.
Like my uncle having to lay off 7 part time mushroom workers on Friday.
Suppose that isn't a negative or an inconvenience either in worshipland.

I'm sorry for your uncles employees, it's tough competing with poorer countries.

Fratton Fred

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is that another way of downplaying a negative?

It's a shame, no one likes to see any one lose their job.

Junkyard Tom

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Like my uncle having to lay off 7 part time mushroom workers on Friday.

Why?

FrancieBrady

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Why?

The processing plant no longer want his produce due to the downturn since Brexit.

R P McMurphy

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Why?

The mushroom industry is in difficulty with sterling fluctuations because the companies that sell Irish mushrooms negotiate their contracts in sterling. Mushroom prices are generally agreed on fixed contracts 12 months in advance and therefore are non negotiable for that period. If the growers can't absorb the drop in Sterling then they are finished pretty quickly. They also operate on a very low margin. Not the optimum setup for stability when reliant on the British market

dinorebel

R P McMurphy wrote: »

The mushroom industry is in difficulty with sterling fluctuations because the companies that sell Irish mushrooms negotiate their contracts in sterling. Mushroom prices are generally agreed on fixed contracts 12 months in advance and therefore are non negotiable for that period. If the growers can't absorb the drop in Sterling then they are finished pretty quickly. They also operate on a very low margin. Not the optimum setup for stability when reliant on the British market

So with Sterling back up again will they get the jobs back next year?

demfad

So Davis, Hammond and a spokesperson for downing street hinted at paying money for access to the single market. Johnson poured cold water on this and today Theresa May said that Brexit meant taking back control over Finances.
She is taking again about a super free trade deal involving paying no money to the EU, a lot of access to the single market and control over immigration.
The thinking is she will use security as a stick. E.g She has already agreed with Poland she will help with it's security which she can now threaten to withdraw.

BroJo is making a play for the Tory leadership using language just on the hard side of May and undermining her. He is also talking internationally about 'nation states' which is the language of Donald Trump and his advisors.

Michael Barnier the chief EU negotiator will speak on Brexit today for the first time. He wil say priorities are EU border, EU/Brit citizens, and Money owed by Britian. Trade deal to be negotiated after Brexit. A stable transition deal in the meantime relatively unfavourable to Britain.

May seems to be reacting and flipflopping around Tory party politics. Hammond and Davis have formed a clique. Meanwhile Fox has been dispatched to start the WTO preparations. That will have to be agreed by every nation I believe. If they don't get this sorted in time (they won't) then there has to be a transition deal.

Hard messy Brexit or no Brexit as Donald Tusk said still most likleyy outcomes.

One ray of hope was the Lib Dem victory overturning 23,000 votes against the da facto Conservative candidate. Inspite of the LIb Dem being less experienced on the huge local issue of a new airport runway she still made up the defecit. It's all about Brexit now!

R P McMurphy

dinorebel wrote: »

So with Sterling back up again will they get the jobs back next year?

Suppose it depends on how much money was lost so far. That industry definitely needs an overhaul on how it is structured. If it fails would be pretty bad for border regions like county monaghan.