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Ireland would have been a better place under British rule?

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  • 03-12-2016 8:22pm
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    Johnboner
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    Seeing as how our government is so incompetent makes you think if it would have been better to stay part of the UK. Ireland is so badly managed when you compare it to similar mainland countries like Switzerland and Belgium, Ireland comes out as a bit of a joke.


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    Beanntraigheach
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Beanntraigheach


    Johnboner wrote: »
    Seeing as how our government is so incompetent makes you think if it would have been better to stay part of the UK. Ireland is so badly managed when you compare it to similar mainland countries like Switzerland and Belgium, Ireland comes out as a bit of a joke.
    A brilliant and original argument, eloquently delivered.
    Kudos sir. :rolleyes:

    (There's a thread below inquiring about the apparent decline in numbers using this forum.
    I think part of the answer is right here.)


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    _Whimsical_
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    Johnboner wrote: »
    Seeing as how our government is so incompetent makes you think if it would have been better to stay part of the UK.

    If you're judging it on competence of government then look how Brexit has gone down, how they've treated their disabled in the last few years, how they've blood on their hands, many dead and disabled youth and a terrorist target painted on their backs due to being part of wars they had no business being in. On those basis I'd say no we wouldn't be better off.


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    Junkyard Tom
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    Take a look at the northeast during the 70's/80's if you'd like to see how Ireland would have fared under British rule.


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    Johnboner
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 331 ✭✭Johnboner


    Beanntraigheach wrote: »
    A brilliant and original argument, eloquently delivered.
    Kudos sir. :rolleyes:

    (There's a thread below inquiring about the apparent decline in numbers using this forum.
    I think part of the answer is right here.)

    Can say the same about your argument.


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    Stigura
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    ..... Moves on, in search of a thread worth looking at .....


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    failinis
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    Have you seen Northern Ireland.


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    Ted111
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    Why don't you go off and marry Switzerland.


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    Barry Badrinath
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    Johnboner wrote: »
    Seeing as how our government is so incompetent makes you think if it would have been better to stay part of the UK. Ireland is so badly managed when you compare it to similar mainland countries like Switzerland and Belgium, Ireland comes out as a bit of a joke.

    Yeah, well so is your face!


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    Grayson
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    I doubt it would have done better. I'm not being anti british. It's just that everything in the UK is very London centric. It's become more so post war. We would have seen the same level of interest, if not less, than the north of england.


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    Johnboner
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 331 ✭✭Johnboner


    Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »
    Yeah, well so is your face!

    How do you know?


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    Johnboner
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 331 ✭✭Johnboner


    Ted111 wrote: »
    Why don't you go off and marry Switzerland.

    That's the plan :)


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    Barry Badrinath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭Barry Badrinath


    Johnboner wrote: »
    How do you know?

    Well if its anything like yer aul one.


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    Johnboner
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    I think we should hold a referendum, I know what I would vote for.


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    Grayson
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    Johnboner wrote: »
    I think we should hold a referendum, I know what I would vote for.

    Atari Jaguar?


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    Ted111
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    Johnboner wrote: »
    That's the plan :)

    I believe most central european nation states wouldn't enter into a relationship with anyone with a severe attitude problem.

    Have you got a plan for that?


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    Johnboner
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 331 ✭✭Johnboner


    Grayson wrote: »
    Atari Jaguar?

    British rule over Ireland so we can become great again.


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    Johnboner
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 331 ✭✭Johnboner


    Ted111 wrote: »
    I believe most central european nation states wouldn't enter into a relationship with anyone with a severe attitude problem.

    Have you got a plan for that?


    It's a secret plan.


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    Collie D
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    The same UK that voted to leave the EU and will likely lose Scotland?
    The same Belgium that went almost two years without a government
    The same Switzerland that has a referendum anytime a politician decides what to have for lunch?

    Nah, you're grand


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    Rainman16
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    The OP is not wrong. I mean what have we really gained as an "independent state"? Was all the years of suffering and hardship really worth it?


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    Ted111
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    Johnboner wrote: »
    It's a secret plan.

    Just remember Switzerland is a grubby little, tax haven while we are....eh actually forget that.


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    Johnboner
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    Collie D wrote: »
    The same UK that voted to leave the EU and will likely lose Scotland?
    The same Belgium that went almost two years without a government
    The same Switzerland that has a referendum anytime a politician decides what to have for lunch?

    Nah, you're grand


    Don't know how is it bad about what you said about Switzerland it's actually a good democracy where people actually have the power and stupid rules and regulations are not forced. If you would prefer to live in Nazi Germany then good for you but I don't.


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    CaptainR
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    I love how OP compares us to Switzerland and Belgium... But not the UK.


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    Edgarfrndly
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    Pros
    • NHS.
    • Buses that run on time.
    • Cheap beer.

    Cons
    • Heightened target for terrorist attacks.
    • Stupendous amounts of tax wasted on seemingly futile wars.
    • London-driven politics, with a situation similar to Scotland where a Tory government with little or no MP's in our country, would decide the fate of our country. Ergo, democracy eroded.
    • Neutrality ruined.
    • Diluted identity.
    • Probably being pulled out of the EU, whereas I suspect a majority of Irish people would have voted to stay.
    • Culture & Arts funding probably reduced greatly. Irish language well and truly dusted.
    • Every second generation, we'd see our streets turned into warzones in an effort to achieve independence.

    I mean, I'm trying to weigh up the good and the bad - but as someone who doesn't drink and hates public transport, I think I'll stay independent for now.


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    One_Of_Shanks
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    @ OP, the answer is already there. Northern Ireland is under British rule. So take a look at N-Iron and if you think the answer is yes or no then you have your answer.
    Pros's and cons.

    I was amazed that the Scots didn't want to get out of British rule but they voted to stay. So read into that what you will.

    I share your frustration with our lot. People like Leo Varadkar, Joan Burton, Mary Harney and Inda Kinneh have sucked the life out of my faith in Irish politicians over the years.
    But that's just me.

    If we had been under British rule during that cow Maggy Thatcher's reign then I would have felt like killing her myself. So it's swings and roundabouts.


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    Johnboner
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    CaptainR wrote: »
    I love how OP compares us to Switzerland and Belgium... But not the UK.

    It's more comparable due to size and population.


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    Collie D
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    Rainman16 wrote: »
    The OP is not wrong. I mean what have we really gained as an "independent state"? Was all the years of suffering and hardship really worth it?

    Self-governance which while you may think is not great is a lot better than someone in Westminster making decisions about a place and people they don't really give a **** about. The north and Scotland are already examples of this.


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    Johnboner
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    Collie D wrote: »
    Self-governance which while you may think is not great is a lot better than someone in Westminster making decisions about a place and people they don't really give a **** about. The north and Scotland are already examples of this.


    Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay so your argument is invalid. They voted in favour of staying because they knew it's a smart decision to be part of the UK instead of being isolated like Ireland and having absolutely no advantage.


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    Beanntraigheach
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Beanntraigheach


    Wouldn't it, perhaps, be a good idea to just set up a single "Ireland is Shìte!" thread where those obsessed with the topic can whitter back and forth to one another about it endlessly?


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    darkpagandeath
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    Edgarfrndly wrote: »
    Pros
    • NHS.
    • Buses that run on time.
    • Cheap beer.

    Cons
    • Heightened target for terrorist attacks.
    • Stupendous amounts of tax wasted on seemingly futile wars.
    • London-driven politics, with a situation similar to Scotland where a Tory government with little or no MP's in our country, would decide the fate of our country. Ergo, democracy eroded.
    • Neutrality ruined.
    • Diluted identity.
    • Probably being pulled out of the EU, whereas I suspect a majority of Irish people would have voted to stay.
    • Culture & Arts funding probably reduced greatly. Irish language well and truly dusted.
    • Every second generation, we'd see our streets turned into warzones in an effort to achieve independence.

    I mean, I'm trying to weigh up the good and the bad - but as someone who doesn't drink and hates public transport, I think I'll stay independent for now.

    What Neutrality ?


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    Johnboner
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 331 ✭✭Johnboner


    Edgarfrndly wrote: »
    Pros
    • NHS.
    • Buses that run on time.
    • Cheap beer.

    Cons
    • Heightened target for terrorist attacks.
    • Stupendous amounts of tax wasted on seemingly futile wars.
    • London-driven politics, with a situation similar to Scotland where a Tory government with little or no MP's in our country, would decide the fate of our country. Ergo, democracy eroded.
    • Neutrality ruined.
    • Diluted identity.
    • Probably being pulled out of the EU, whereas I suspect a majority of Irish people would have voted to stay.
    • Culture & Arts funding probably reduced greatly. Irish language well and truly dusted.
    • Every second generation, we'd see our streets turned into warzones in an effort to achieve independence.

    I mean, I'm trying to weigh up the good and the bad - but as someone who doesn't drink and hates public transport, I think I'll stay independent for now.


    You are more likely to win the lottery or die from a lightning bolt than die from a terrorist attack in the UK.


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