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Netatmo Smart Thermostat for €99 delivered

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  • #452
    johnnyrotten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭johnnyrotten


    Quick question

    I have a combi gas boiler with a time clock and no stat.

    Can I use a netatmo and set on/off timeso with it? If so how many on/off settings are allowed per day?

    Thanks


  • #453
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    johnnyrotten wrote: »
    Quick question

    I have a combi gas boiler with a time clock and no stat.

    Can I use a netatmo and set on/off timeso with it? If so how many on/off settings are allowed per day?

    Yes, should be fine. This is fundamentally how all smart thermostats work, they simply send on/off commands to the boiler. They can send an unlimited number of on/off commands per day.


  • #454
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    ^ what bk said.

    Except I would say "practically" unlimited just to pre-empt pedants with pedantry of my own. You just won't run out of time slots in normal sane use.


  • #455
    Winterlong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    Winterlong wrote: »
    Finally got my Netamo sent back to me today. According to their diagnostics report they found the problem with the relay and fixed it.
    But the bloody relay is dead as a do do.
    Does not do anything when connected to the boiler. Does not do anything when connected to a wall socket via their adapter. No blinking blue lights.
    So looks like I will have to go thru their RMA process again. FFS. :mad:

    Finally have some good news. They sent me out a new one (did not even ask me to return the faulty one).
    The new relay just would not work when I tried replacing my existing timer.
    BUT, when I wire in the thermostat to the live output of my existing timer it works. Relay plugged in to a wall power socket.
    So at last I have my €99 netamo up and running. :)


  • #456
    Pique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭Pique


    Winterlong wrote: »
    Winterlong wrote: »
    Finally got my Netamo sent back to me today. According to their diagnostics report they found the problem with the relay and fixed it.
    But the bloody relay is dead as a do do.
    Does not do anything when connected to the boiler. Does not do anything when connected to a wall socket via their adapter. No blinking blue lights.
    So looks like I will have to go thru their RMA process again. FFS. :mad:

    Finally have some good news. They sent me out a new one (did not even ask me to return the faulty one).
    The new relay just would not work when I tried replacing my existing timer.
    BUT, when I wire in the thermostat to the live output of my existing timer it works. Relay plugged in to a wall power socket.
    So at last I have my €99 netamo up and running. :)
    How does that work then? Isn't it the relay that controls the boiler switch on and off and the thermostat just send the signal to the relay? Does your now actually work directly off the thermostat and the relay is just for the wifi connection?


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  • #457
    Winterlong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    Pique wrote: »
    How does that work then? Isn't it the relay that controls the boiler switch on and off and the thermostat just send the signal to the relay? Does your now actually work directly off the thermostat and the relay is just for the wifi connection?

    Exactly. The old timer had a live output that went direct to the boiler. The thermo now sits on that live behaving as a switch.
    So the timer is now 'always on' giving full control of switching to the thermo.
    Relay just does the wifi thing allowing the remote control functionality via phone/tablet.


  • #458
    lolliedog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭lolliedog


    Winterlong wrote: »
    Exactly. The old timer had a live output that went direct to the boiler. The thermo now sits on that live behaving as a switch.
    So the timer is now 'always on' giving full control of switching to the thermo.
    Relay just does the wifi thing allowing the remote control functionality via phone/tablet.

    Is it not the relay that is connected to the old timer and the thermostat is plugged into the wall. I think that is what you have done.


  • #459
    Winterlong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    lolliedog wrote: »
    Is it not the relay that is connected to the old timer and the thermostat is plugged into the wall. I think that is what you have done.

    No!
    It is the thermostat that is connected to the old timer. The thermostat is the one with the desired and actual temperature display on it.
    The relay is the one with the blue light on it.


  • #460
    lolliedog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭lolliedog


    Winterlong wrote: »
    No!
    It is the thermostat that is connected to the old timer. The thermostat is the one with the desired and actual temperature display on it.
    The relay is the one with the blue light on it.

    I always thought is was the other way around. Every day is a school day.


  • #461
    Winterlong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    lolliedog wrote: »
    I always thought is was the other way around. Every day is a school day.

    You can do it both ways. Both the relay and thermo can be wired to act as a switch to control the heating.
    My preferred option would of course to have the relay wired and the thermo be wireless...but for some reason that would not work in my set up.
    The boiler is from the 1980s. That will be the next job...but not a DIY one!


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  • #462
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I really need to create a Netatmo FAQ! This question keeps coming up.

    It is pretty confusing, but the Netatmo can be set up in a couple of different ways, which gives great flexibility, but causes lots of confusing.

    In the box you get two main parts:
    - The Netatmo Thermostat (the one with the e-ink screen on it)
    - A Relay unit.

    The confusing part is that you can use either the relay OR the thermostat to turn on/off the boiler, they both have the same ability for flexibility.

    This means you have two primary set up options:

    1) Wire the relay to the boiler (either next to the boiler or at the end of a powered switch point) and then you can have the Netatmo Thermostat unit wireless in any room you want. In this setup it it the relay unit that is physically sending the on/off command to the boiler.

    2) Wire the Netatmo Thermostat unit to the boiler (usually replacing a pre-existing thermostat/clock in the hall or somewhere similar). You can then plug the relay into any wall socket. In this setup the Thermostat unit is the one actually pyhsically turning on/off the boiler and the relay is simply acting as a bridge/hub to allow the thermostat connect to your wifi.

    Winterlong has set his up like the first option, as have I. But you could also do the second option, though it requires some electrical experience, so you might want to get an electrician if it isn't straight forward.


  • #463
    Winterlong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    bk wrote: »
    Winterlong has set his up like the first option, as have I. But you could also do the second option, though it requires some electrical experience, so you might want to get an electrician if it isn't straight forward.

    I am wired like the second option!


  • #464
    lolliedog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭lolliedog


    Winterlong wrote: »
    I am wired like the second option!

    I was just about to say that!


  • #465
    lolliedog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭lolliedog


    My understanding is that Winterlong has replaced the boiler time clock with the netatmo thermostat.

    Wiring this thermostat into a dumb wall thermostat is slightly different.


  • #466
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Winterlong wrote: »
    I am wired like the second option!

    Sorry, that is what I meant! It is how I have it done too. Sorry, I'm even confusing myself!! :o


  • #467
    earlyapex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭earlyapex


    podger79 wrote: »
    Lads does anybody know if this works with a ideal classic boiler?i tried replacing the two wire thermostat but it did nothing.


    It certainly does work with an Ideal classic boiler. I had mine installed today, very quick done in about 15 minutes. Single zone system, replaced my ancient 24hr programmer.


  • #468
    earlyapex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭earlyapex


    dmaprelude wrote: »
    Would also be interested to know this.

    Yes, see above.


  • #469
    Officer Giggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Officer Giggles


    Do Energia use contractors for the installations or have they their own staff


  • #470
    Irish Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭Irish Gunner


    Officer Giggles wrote: »
    Do Energia use contractors for the installations or have they their own staff
    They are contractors as far as I know as got it installed recently by them
    On another note anyone using the Echo with this as have not used voice activation on it and wondering if anyone has linked it ?

    https://www.dublinarsenal.com/



  • #471
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Irish Gunner wrote: »
    They are contractors as far as I know as got it installed recently by them
    On another note anyone using the Echo with this as have not used voice activation on it and wondering if anyone has linked it ?

    Sure, I have. I don't think it is the best implementation of voice activation, but it does work.


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  • #472
    Irish Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭Irish Gunner


    bk wrote: »
    Irish Gunner wrote: »
    They are contractors as far as I know as got it installed recently by them
    On another note anyone using the Echo with this as have not used voice activation on it and wondering if anyone has linked it ?

    Sure, I have. I don't think it is the best implementation of voice activation, but it does work.
    Ok is it the basic commands turn temperature up/down? Can you use voice to control the away or frost guard or anything else?

    https://www.dublinarsenal.com/



  • #473
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Irish Gunner wrote: »
    Ok is it the basic commands turn temperature up/down? Can you use voice to control the away or frost guard or anything else?

    I haven't used it in ages as I mostly use GHome now. But as far as I remember:

    Set my Home Thermostat to 20
    Increase/decrease my Home Thermostat by 2 *

    * This one is weird, the increase/decrease is offset compared to what your thermostat is currently set to rather then your homes current temperature as most people would expect. For instance if it is currently 18c in your home and your thermostat temperature is currently set to 14c, then this just increases it to 16c which of course wouldn't turn on the boiler. I suspect most people would expect it to increase the temp to 20c. Seems badly thought out to me.

    And no you can't set away and frost guard mode or even ask what the currently via the echo. However you can do that with Siri!

    That is why I say it works, but is a poor implementation.


  • #474
    Dingatron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭Dingatron


    Hi Folks I picked up one of these over Christmas. My boiler is a gas one with just the one zone, no separate wired thermostat just timer. I'm looking for some help with the hard wiring the relay to boiler if possible or using the existing wires for the timer, either is fine. The boiler is a Baxi Megaflow. The power (blue/brown) wires are no issue but I don't see where the grey/black (NS/LR) wires should go to? Attached is the boiler wiring/timer photos if someone has any ideas for the grey/black wires thanks?


  • #475
    d31b0y
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭d31b0y


    One of the cables goes to the live and one goes to the switched live to the boiler. Not sure of the polarity but I am sure it was mentioned on thread somewhere.
    I have black cable going to switched live to the boiler and grey cable going to live and it's working perfectly here.


  • #476
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    What you can do is work off timer.

    That's what I done I took cables out of the back and connected in junction box.

    You won't need timer anymore as you will have full control over phone tablet etc....

    Use the hard wire part and plug WiFi unit in then link all up and away you go.


  • #477
    Stoner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    I've one of these ready to go too. I've lost some motivation to install it but I'll take pictures when I do. I've few more temp sensors around the house and I'd like to test this vs lightwaverf.
    As is standard lightwaverf TRVs can work independently of a boiler switch so I might match them in .


  • #478
    Dingatron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭Dingatron


    Thanks folks, I'll reread the thread and post up the end result for reference.


  • #479
    JDxtra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Got my Netamo today from Energia. Noticed the box has 'Apple HomeKit' logo on it.


  • #480
    yllw.ldbttr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭yllw.ldbttr


    The older of my two devices has developed a hardware fault, and unfortunately it is outside of warranty.

    Our childminder is not technical, so uses the up/ down motion on the thermostat itself to boost the temperature. The up motion stopped working. Down works fine, but I cannot turn the thermostat up using the hardware.

    Annoying, given that it's probably just a spring internally.
    It lasted nearly two years.

    All the software still works fine, but it means I need to train her how to use the app.


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  • #481
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    That's surely fixable, microswitch is goosed probably. I had a quick google but apparently in the same world where "hacking" can now be applied to folding your towels differently, "teardown" doesn't mean teardown anymore it's now just a synonym for "review".


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