Netatmo Smart Thermostat for €99 delivered

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arikv wrote: »

Have a few questions could finds answers for:

1. As I've two wired Thermostats (up/down) and programmer to manage both+Hot Water. will I be able to reuse old Thermostats Wired cabling with Netatmo?

2. Does anyone know if Energia now provide multi zone Netatmo (SEAI grant never claimed)?
Can someone who have engineer coming over ask them?
I've hot water, down and upstairs zones with wired thermostats.

3. If not will they be able to leave the programmer in situ so that it can be used for Hot water and other zone so that I can add second Netatmo myself to control other zone(s)?

Not sure if this helps...

I could not reuse existing thermostat wiring as it was just the live looping through them. No neutral available in my case.

I have a 3 channel programmer.
I put the netatmos between the programmer and the heating zone valves with those channels permanent on in controller. Hot water is still under sole control of the programmer.

I fitted mine myself, not through installer.

woidoi

arikv wrote: »

Have a few questions could finds answers for:

1. As I've two wired Thermostats (up/down) and programmer to manage both+Hot Water. will I be able to reuse old Thermostats Wired cabling with Netatmo?

Probably if your stats are wired live, neutral and earth. If they are single wire then I don't think so. You could take a peek and see! Turn off the electricity first if you are unsure.

I was going to replace the three thermostats in my house with Netatmos but in the end I just replaced the clock with the Netatmo smart controller and use the portable Netatmo thermostat. To be honest, it's mostly sitting on a shelf in the hall (as per my earlier post) and everything works beautifully.

Unfortunately my hot water is tied in with the boiler (stupid really) and so is on every-time the boiler is on. Not sure if you can work around that if your water is separate.

gutteruu

woidoi wrote: »

Unfortunately my hot water is tied in with the boiler (stupid really) and so is on every-time the boiler is on. Not sure if you can work around that if your water is separate.

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Its only recently I realised how archaic and basic Irish plumbing seems to be. Plumbers seem to freak when you mention anything electric.

Irish Gunner

Just wondering I've all algorithms set up so heat comes on at x time and goes off at Y.

However with clocks going forward on Sunday does time update automatically or do I have to update the times etc?

d31b0y

I'd be amazed if you have to do anything...

BBMcQ

I've read through the thread but can't see anything on this.

Energia give a free Netatmo with a gas boiler service €85 if your house is built before 2006. I called Energia and they told me it's not compatible with newer boilers. But they let you pay €249 full price for the Netatmo if your house is newer.

This is one of the only smartostats that work with Apple HomeKit, has anybody got one? Or got one with Energia?

Stoner

BBMcQ wrote:

This is one of the only smartostats that work with Apple HomeKit, has anybody got one? Or got one with Energia?

I've a brand new one that I bought at Christmas , I never installed it. I decided to keep my lightwaverf unit. It was a bored at Christmas purchase.

BK has one working away.

bk

BBMcQ wrote: »

This is one of the only smartostats that work with Apple HomeKit, has anybody got one? Or got one with Energia?

I have and it is working away very well and works very well with Apple Homekit. I'm very happy with it. Also set one up for a neighbour/friend who is very happy with it too.

I bought mine directly from Amazon.

The thing with the Energia deal, is that it is using a grant from the government for replacing heating controls in homes older then 2006. It doesn't really have anything to do with the ages of your Boiler.

I bought mine for €99 and I was able to install it myself. But it was a very straightforward install for me. Other peoples boilers are more complicated setup and if you don't have the skills might require an electrician to setup for you.

BBMcQ

Hopefully there is a €99 deal again soon!

BBMcQ

€162 best with Amazon currently and €166 with John Lewis. Probably add €4 extra for PM.

Krusty_Clown

I installed one myself (bought from Amazon), but then removed it, as had one fitted by Energia as part of the service/grant scheme. So I have a spare if anyone wants to take it off my hands. Used for two weeks - €65 seems reasonable.

Might be an idea to branch off a for sale thread, given that there's a significant amount of upgrade'itis on this forum. I've only been playing around with HA since Christmas and already have a handful of boxed barely used devices (Netatmo, a couple of Engenie plugs, security camera).

gutteruu

BBMcQ wrote: »

Hopefully there is a €99 deal again soon!

Nest is 120 to buy if your with electric Ireland.

punisher5112

gutteruu wrote: »

Nest is 120 to buy if your with electric Ireland.

Issue there is you pay higher rate on electricity.

BBMcQ

gutteruu wrote: »

Nest is 120 to buy if your with electric Ireland.

Netatmo is the only one along with Elgato that works with Apple HomeKit.

Krusty I've sent you a PM

gutteruu

punisher5112 wrote: »

Issue there is you pay higher rate on electricity.

Worked out the cheapest for me last year. I switch bang on every 12 months to get the cheapest rate. I'm thinking if I opt to buy the nest they may want another 12 month contract off me though.2

bk

gutteruu wrote: »

Worked out the cheapest for me last year. I switch bang on every 12 months to get the cheapest rate. I'm thinking if I opt to buy the nest they may want another 12 month contract off me though.2

I'm sorry but that simply isn't true. The Electric Ireland Nest deal has some of the highest rates in the market! Only the "standard rates" are higher. You most have gotten your calculations confused.

You can easily confirm the difference in rates on the rates comparison sites. The Nest and Hive deals are always near the end of the lists (in other words some of the most expensive).

For instance according to bonkers.ie right now a person using the Irish average yearly electricity usage would pay €180 per year more on the Nest deal, compared to the best deal on the market.

gutteruu

bk wrote: »

I'm sorry but that simply isn't true. The Electric Ireland Nest deal has some of the highest rates in the market! Only the "standard rates" are higher. You most have gotten your calculations confused.

You can easily confirm the difference in rates on the rates comparison sites. The Nest and Hive deals are always near the end of the lists (in other words some of the most expensive).

For instance according to bonkers.ie right now a person using the Irish average yearly electricity usage would pay €180 per year more on the Nest deal, compared to the best deal on the market.

I didn't sign up for nest. I am just an existing customer. Any existing customer can purchase the nest for 120 but as I said I only seen it yesterday and don't know if it ties me into a new contract.

BTW bonkers is useless for rating companies. It over estimates things like 'level pay' plans, excludes cash back, price of free nests etc. Its almost as bad as that 'one big switch' scam.

How does bonkers.ie sustain itself?
bonkers.ie has commercial deals in place with some suppliers across all our services which means we receive a small commission payment if you choose to switch or apply for a product with us. Our commercial relationships are in place to help make the switching process as convenient as possible for our customers.

Who owns bonkers.ie?
bonkers.ie is privately held by a group of Irish individuals

bk

gutteruu wrote: »

I didn't sign up for nest. I am just an existing customer. Any existing customer can purchase the nest for 120 but as I said I only seen it yesterday and don't know if it ties me into a new contract.

BTW bonkers is useless for rating companies. It over estimates things like 'level pay' plans, excludes cash back, price of free nests etc. Its almost as bad as that 'one big switch' scam.

Actually that is due to the energy regulator who requires all such comparison sites to only compare based on the actual electricity rates and standing charges and not to take into account things like cash back and free nests, etc.

This is done for very good reason as other wise companies could sucker people into otherwise more expensive plans with cash back offers that have difficult terms and conditions to actually get or by saying that the price of the Nests RRP is higher then it actually is in the real world and thus advertising bigger savings.

In other words it allows people to transparently compare prices.

I also change suppliers every 12 months and I use bonkers to first compare details, but I then always double check the numbers with the companies own websites and do the maths for myself and I have to say, bonkers.ie has always been exactly spot on my numbers.

Of course I would then also consider the cash back deals, etc. For instance both deals I took up just one month ago both include cash back deals.

Also when I compared Nest deal versions getting a Netatmo directly myself and install it myself and going for the cheapest electricity deal, I found it to be €150 cheaper then going with Nest from EI.

Of course if you need hot water control (which Nest supports and Netatmo doesn't) or you need an engineer to install it, then yes, the EI deal might work out better overall.

But it certainly is accurate to say that if you take up a Nest deal, you will be paying higher rates.

Currently the rate on the EI Nest deal is:
16.23 cent per kWh (€145.58 annual standing charge)

Versus the best electricity rate from Energia:
12.67 cent per kWh (€158.05 annual standing charge)

And that is indisputable.

BBMcQ

Anybody have any install issues with a smart thermostat? I've been told by our boiler service guy that some electricians start costing a fortune if they need a ground and it's not pre-wired...

Winterlong

BBMcQ wrote: »

Anybody have any install issues with a smart thermostat? I've been told by our boiler service guy that some electricians start costing a fortune if they need a ground and it's not pre-wired...

No ground needed on the Netamo.
If you go for the wired relay option then it needs live, neut and common live and switched live out. Common live and live can come from same source.
If you go for wired thermo option then you just need switched live to the thermo and the relay plugs in to a standard wall socket.

Mr.David

Missed this thread and started a new one, apologies.

I set this up last night and it works for controlling heating. The system I had was a thermostat where I could select heating and hw separately. I disconnected this from the boiler control panel and in its place connected the netatmo relay.

Only afterwards did I realise I no longer have the ability to turn on the boiler to heat hw on its own.

Best thing to do from here? Can I attach the old thermostat AND the netatmo to the boiler control panel and then just use the old thermostat to control HW as I used to?

Zilog

How is your hot water operated?

Is there a motorised valve that the thermostat powered?
Did the thermostat have a separate timeclock for hot water?

On my own system I just reused the existing timeclock for hot water.
It operates the hot water valve motor on the cylinder. When the valve opens, a switch in the motor powers on the boiler.

By the way, I see the Netatmo is available now on Amazon for £91.30:
Netatmo thermostat £91.30 @ Amazon

Mr.David

Zilog wrote: »

How is your hot water operated?

Is there a motorised valve that the thermostat powered?
Did the thermostat have a separate timeclock for hot water?

On my own system I just reused the existing timeclock for hot water.
It operates the hot water valve motor on the cylinder. When the valve opens, a switch in the motor powers on the boiler.

By the way, I see the Netatmo is available now on Amazon for £91.30:
Netatmo thermostat £91.30 @ Amazon

Looked at it last night. The old thermostat is a digital one, which is then wired to a danfoss controller I guess which looks like it controls a valve for hw cylinder/radiator circuit. There is a timeclock there too but i think that is for the electric immersion, I'm not sure though.

You may know the answer to this - I was thinking if i just connect the old thermostat back to the power and then use HW Boost function, I presume that will open valve and boiler heats water for the cylinder. At the end of say the 1hr hw cycle does the valve automatically close again or does it only close when you turn on the heating on the thermostat? if it auto closes at the end of the hw cycle then i could just use old thermostat for HW and netatmo for the heating, if you get what i mean?

Zilog

Each setup is different unfortunately, however typically the hot water circuit works like this (if correctly wired):
- When hot water is required/time programmed the hot water valve receives 230v (i.e. mains voltage) from the timeclock
- This causes the motor on the valve to move and open the valve
- When the valve is fully open, a switch within the valve motor should cause the boiler to switch on

If this is the case, all you have to do to get hot water is to power open the hot water valve somehow. This will be using a switch e.g. timeclock, run-on timer etc.
Providing you are comfortable with electrics, this is easy enough to set up. Otherwise get electrician to do it.

HTH.

PressTheButton

Netatmo smart thermostat now £85.32 on Amazon.
Link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Netatmo-smart-thermostat-works-Amazon/dp/B00GWKW8SY/

PressTheButton

Netatmo smart thermostat: Amazon price jump.

Pique

I have an unused Netatmo if anyone wants it. PM me for info.

Edit: Sold to gutteruu.

Quintis

Hey, resurrecting this, is it compatible with multi-zone heating, i.e. upstairs and downstairs are on the one thermostat with separate timers, but the temperature can be controlled separately on each floor?

Did anyone who bought find a reduction in bills?

JDxtra

I see the Netamo radiator valves are now available. That is a simple way to get multi-zone heating. Has anybody purchased them yet?

bk

Quintis wrote: »

Hey, resurrecting this, is it compatible with multi-zone heating, i.e. upstairs and downstairs are on the one thermostat with separate timers, but the temperature can be controlled separately on each floor?

Did anyone who bought find a reduction in bills?

Yes, Netatmo supports multiple zones, you need to buy two full units, see here for details:

https://www.netatmo.com/en-GB/helpcenter/energy/3/installation-and-prerequisites/4/can-i-connect-multiple-thermostats-to-my-boiler-or-make-multi-zones/80

However it does not support control of hot water zone (where you have a separate hot water boiler tank that is heated by the gas heating). If you have this setup, then Tado or Nest might be a better option.

I haven't particularly noticed a reduction in bills, but then that is because of the way I use it. I was always pretty controlling of my heating, only turning it on when I actually needed it and off when it hotted up. So really not much change.

If you are the type of person who just leaves the heat on all day, then yes you probably will see savings then.

However having said that, I think it is still well worth it, just for the convenience. It is great to come home to a nice warm house after two weeks away on holiday, as you turned on the heating with your phone just as you were boarding the plane

Or turning off the heating while in bed, lovely