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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

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  • #9032
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,894 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Would love to see John and Conor rolling with Marcelo Garcia this week i'd geek out.

    I'd love to see them rolling with him next week, coz that's here I'm headed!


  • #9033
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Anyone who isnt familiar with Danis's backround go check out some video of Marcelo Garcia (his coach) to see what kind of pedigree he's bringing to SBG,

    There's video on youtube of him rolling (dominating) with Maia,Arlovski and even Ben Askren and he laughs at them, him and Rickson I class as the greatest.


  • #9034
    MichaelScarn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 167 ✭✭MichaelScarn


    Just rewatched the fight and build up to Poirer. McGregor annihilated him inside and outside the octagon.

    Remember JK offered for Poirer to train st Sbg any time he wanted too


  • #9035
    ASOT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,764 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Johns mental message of the week is very good this week and a lot more lighthearted; id say wonder is delighted.


  • #9036
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    There's no way on earth Conor is taking $3 million disclosed again. Whatever the number is will be above that. You don't take a pay freeze after delivering the number 1 PPV card of all time, going into the new number 1 PPV card of all time.

    So anywhere from $3.5m to $5m disclosed seems a reasonable guess.

    And still leaves him underpaid relative to what he's bringing in. Even $4m disclosed and top tier PPV of 2m+ sales ($5), that still only makes him $14 million on the night.

    The UFC's cut is still hugely disproportionate. Even after all costs are paid the UFC should be clearing $55 million for the night. That's outrageous. If Conor isn't on this card it does 800,000 to 1,000,000 buys headlined by Woodley, despite the undercard. Max. Simple as that.

    Same with 202. Take Conor out and you're left with a 400,000 buy card max.

    He currently adds 1 million PPV buys by himself to any card. Paying him $14 million total is a bit of a joke. It should be much closer to $20-$22 million.

    You made the same point a while ago. And I pointed out the huge flaw in your logic then, and it's still there now.
    He currently adds 1 million PPV buys by himself to any card.
    Lets say he adds that, a nice round number. Which is worth $55m in PPV buys. With the UFC getting half, so that means he adds $27.5m to their PPV income*. If your $14m estimate is right, that about half. You think that's a joke? Sounds fair to me tbh.

    *But Conor doesn't simply add that to their income. As his extra million buys mean that Eddie, Woodley, JJ and maybe Wonderboy and KK get a PPV increase so. Say at $1.50 per buy average, that reduces the 27.5m to an even 20m.
    So $20-22m you suggested is all the money he adds to the card, they'd make just as much money as doing led buys without him.




    Now, that's a big disingenuous from me. The reality isn't that simple. I'm just pointing out the flaw in your maths above.
    The actually economics of PPVS is way more complicated than fight purses/ppv points VRS buyrates. There are other incomes, and outgoings for a start.


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  • #9037
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    ASOT wrote: »
    Johns mental message of the week is very good this week and a lot more lighthearted; id say wonder is delighted.

    Brought a warm tear to my eye :) perfect usage of paint to block out the surname :)


  • #9038
    scudzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Brought a warm tear to my eye :) perfect usage of paint to block out the surname :)

    Care to share what it was? Bastards at FB have banned me, saying they want proof of my age as FB is for over 16's, i'm north of 40 ffs


  • #9039
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    scudzilla wrote: »
    Care to share what it was? Bastards at FB have banned me, saying they want proof of my age as FB is for over 16's, i'm north of 40 ffs

    A foreign fighter wanted to train at SBG and PM'd John and on the assumption that Irish people speak Irish first, slapped his whole message into google translator.

    John, being like most of us forgotten half our Gaeilge, had to then use Google translator to get the thing back to English :pac:


  • #9040
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Mellor wrote: »
    You made the same point a while ago. And I pointed out the huge flaw in your logic then, and it's still there now.

    ....


    Now, that's a big disingenuous from me. The reality isn't that simple. I'm just pointing out the flaw in your maths above.
    The actually economics of PPVS is way more complicated than fight purses/ppv points VRS buyrates. There are other incomes, and outgoings for a start.

    It's hard to know the exact cut the UFC clears (net) from PPV but if you believe the Fighters Association figures then the gross revenue split is currently 85% UFC 15% Fighters. That doesn't necessarily mean every event is split that way.

    Let's say Conor makes $15 million. Eddie makes $2.5m. Woodley makes $2m. JJ makes $2m. They're reasonable numbers as i don't believe Woodley and Alvarez qualify for the higher tier for a 1st title defence. I doubt Wonderboy played hardball on a PPV cut, nor Karolina.

    Anyway you could argue a case that entire fighter pay for the card will cap out at $24 million total including PPV cuts, with $15m to Conor. I'm arguing that, basically that if the final split of the event comes in at:

    UFC: $30 million net profit
    McGregor: $15 million pay.

    That's not a fair split. It should be $25/$20 million. And there's reasons to believe from the MMA Junkie data dump that the UFC actually achieves 30% net profit from PPV gross (which would put their net profit number at $35 million).

    Remove Conor from that card and you (likely) see the UFC making $10 million for the night.

    I'm not just taking Conors side on this, i believe the same argument applies from top to bottom of the card - they are all underpaid. The UFC revenue split with fighters is the most disproportionate of any of the leading North American and European sports.


  • #9041
    scudzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    Has any of you ever seen the 'Randy' contract, from when he was in dispute with them, he was on a huge cut of the PPV, think he got 2mill just from a ppv, it worked out that he got a certain % up to 250,000 buys, then as the landmark (500, 750k) buys got hit, his % got higher


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  • #9042
    MichaelScarn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 167 ✭✭MichaelScarn


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    A foreign fighter wanted to train at SBG and PM'd John and on the assumption that Irish people speak Irish first, slapped his whole message into google translator.

    John, being like most of us forgotten half our Gaeilge, had to then use Google translator to get the thing back to English :pac:
    Ha! That brought a laugh.

    are you a member of sbg?


  • #9043
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    MichaelScarn wrote: »
    Ha! That brought a laugh.

    are you a member of sbg?

    Not yet....

    Was just thinking how little spoken Irish i have left. I can still read it pretty well, which was a pleasant surprise.


  • #9044
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Gas. Dee Devlin's latest Instagram post, just reading the comments. Half the girls in the comments section are saying "obvious hiding baby bump" and "def pregnant" and the other half are commenting on her handbag :pac:

    They'll have some apologising to do if she just put on weight lol


  • #9045
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    It's hard to know the exact cut the UFC clears (net) from PPV but if you believe the Fighters Association figures then the gross revenue split is currently 85% UFC 15% Fighters. That doesn't necessarily mean every event is split that way.
    Investor document released before the sale show that it was 50/50 with broadcaster, That was up until 2014 (it was previous 44% for the UFC). It might be high now, but 55% or 60%, not 85% I'd guess.

    But that's all too simplistic imo. The reality is, we don't know.

    US PPV is only a slice of the pie too. You have Australian PPVs too, and online PPVs (which aren't include in reported buyrates).
    Plus advertising revenue, which could potentially increase with increased PPVs etc
    MichaelScarn wrote: »
    Ha! That brought a laugh.

    are you a member of sbg?

    It was posted on facebook.


  • #9046
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    In a surprising turn of events, both RDA and Cerrone on UFC Tonight have picked McGregor to beat Alvarez!

    Never thought i'd live to see this day when THOSE two picked Conor to win any fight :pac:


  • #9047
    MichaelScarn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 167 ✭✭MichaelScarn


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    In a surprising turn of events, both RDA and Cerrone on UFC Tonight have picked McGregor to beat Alvarez!

    Never thought i'd live to see this day when THOSE two picked Conor to win any fight :pac:
    To be fair Cerrone picked him as he said whenever he picks Conor to lose McGregor ends up winning!


  • #9048
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    In a surprising turn of events, both RDA and Cerrone on UFC Tonight have picked McGregor to beat Alvarez!

    Never thought i'd live to see this day when THOSE two picked Conor to win any fight :pac:


    They have learned,speak ill of the king and bad karma comes your way.





    :pac:


  • #9049
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Gamebred wrote: »
    They have learned,speak ill of the king and bad karma comes your way.

    Cowboy was pretty complimentary of Conor when conor was firmly a featherweight. He's basically said just the 189 world tour, that if Conor beats Aldo, "y'all gotta shut the fuck up"


  • #9050
    empacher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭empacher


    Connor could stand to make twice the entire rest of the cards pay.

    If he was to make the 14mil.


  • #9051
    empacher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭empacher


    Connor could stand to make twice the entire rest of the cards pay.

    If he was to make the 14mil.


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  • #9052
    TimRiggins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭TimRiggins


    empacher wrote: »
    Connor could stand to make twice the entire rest of the cards pay.

    If he was to make the 14mil.

    How in gods name do you know what Conor is going to make from this or what the rest of the card is? Have you seen the contracts and saw into the future to how many PPV buys it's going to get?


  • #9053
    TheTownie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭TheTownie


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    In a surprising turn of events, both RDA and Cerrone on UFC Tonight have picked McGregor to beat Alvarez!

    Never thought i'd live to see this day when THOSE two picked Conor to win any fight :pac:

    Cerrone in his media scrum was asked who he'd put his money on and said Eddie followed by 'hopefully I can then go fight his (Eddie) ass'


  • #9054
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    TheTownie wrote: »
    Cerrone in his media scrum was asked who he'd put his money on and said Eddie followed by 'hopefully I can then go fight his (Eddie) ass'

    Yeah, saw that. He "flipped" his pick half-jokingly on UFC Tonight because when he picks against Conor he seems to win, so he's trying the reverse-psychology.

    RDA on the other hand seemed to genuinely pick Conor to beat Eddie, but again who knows.

    Tony Ferguson probably had the best reply - "Don't care, they can knock each other out at the same time for all i care".


  • #9055
    TimRiggins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭TimRiggins


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Yeah, saw that. He "flipped" his pick half-jokingly on UFC Tonight because when he picks against Conor he seems to win, so he's trying the reverse-psychology.

    RDA on the other hand seemed to genuinely pick Conor to beat Eddie, but again who knows.

    Tony Ferguson probably had the best reply - "Don't care, they can knock each other out at the same time for all i care".

    Interesting that Tony said he was going to 170 and 145. He'd be a serious force at 145 imo. Expecting him to lose this weekend but one of my fave fighters to watch in the UFC.


  • #9056
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Mellor wrote: »
    Cowboy was pretty complimentary of Conor when conor was firmly a featherweight. He's basically said just the 189 world tour, that if Conor beats Aldo, "y'all gotta shut the fuck up"

    he seemed to like conor untill it became apparent he was moving up and the fight was potentially there for cerrone...strange that!


  • #9057
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,729 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    TimRiggins wrote: »
    Interesting that Tony said he was going to 170 and 145. He'd be a serious force at 145 imo. Expecting him to lose this weekend but one of my fave fighters to watch in the UFC.

    He'd be an absolute monster at 45 of he could make it.

    I fancy him to beat RDA relatively handily.


  • #9058
    MichaelScarn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 167 ✭✭MichaelScarn


    TimRiggins wrote: »
    Interesting that Tony said he was going to 170 and 145. He'd be a serious force at 145 imo. Expecting him to lose this weekend but one of my fave fighters to watch in the UFC.

    Ferguson looked poor in his last fight.

    Eddie Bravo is his jiu jisu coach.

    UFC should encourage more jiu jitsu instead of quick stand ups.


  • #9059
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    MichaelScarn wrote: »
    Ferguson looked poor in his last fight.

    Eddie Bravo is his jiu jisu coach.

    UFC should encourage more jiu jitsu instead of quick stand ups.

    RDA seems very confident if it goes to the ground, basically dismissed Fergusons rubber guard as "tricky" but said he has answers ready for it.

    Ferguson looks poor in a lot of fights. He gets hit A LOT. His style is great to watch but i could see clinical strikers putting his lights out. Lando had him in deep trouble.


  • #9060
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    9pm for the McGregor-Alvarez conference call. Should be fun. I'm gonna guess Conor will be pretty relaxed and chilled in the "Zen" mode he was in before 194.


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  • #9061
    darced
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


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