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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    River Song wrote: »
    but no wifi!

    Equipped on the 75's by Mar 17 ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭River Song


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Equipped on the 75's by Mar 17 ;)

    Last I heard it's at least June, apparently!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,957 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Locker10a wrote: »
    It is, I didn't think EI employed male crew in the 80s, they certainly never used them in any publicity at the time

    The period of no male crew wasn't as long as people think. The first cabin crew of any description were male as they were hired as barmen and almost bouncers (both careers that were 100% male at the time) with female crew being expected to be nurses at the time; the must-almost-be-a-supermodel era was maybe 10 years, mid 60s to mid 70s.

    On the publicity side, you were still mostly selling to men until the LCC era for multiple (not particularly good) reasons.


    The pilot from the last flight was still active a few years ago anyway with a restored Foster Wickner on the display circuit, going on Google.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,101 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Locker10a wrote: »
    It is, I didn't think EI employed male crew in the 80s, they certainly never used them in any publicity at the time
    EI hired their first male cabin crew in the mid to late 1970's. (I think it was 76-78)
    They didnt have a uniform designed for them so just got a black suit with an aer lingus tie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,669 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Flew to Orlando and back on the new 757 lovely job altogether the design of the seats is great with a place to put a book below the screen (not sure thats what it was designed for). Grand and comfortable although the movie choice was poor but thats irrelevant. Lots of transferring passengers from Scotland and England.
    Why do the toilets still have ash trays can anyone tell me? Im sure its standard on these planes as opposed to aer Lingus requesting them but at this stage is smoking allowed on any planes?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭Foggy43


    salmocab wrote: »
    Why do the toilets still have ash trays can anyone tell me? Im sure its standard on these planes as opposed to aer Lingus requesting them but at this stage is smoking allowed on any planes?

    All aircraft have a MEL or Minumun Equipment List. From what I can remember if there is no ashtray in the toilet then the toilet cannot be used. If there is no ashtray on the outside of the toilet then the aircraft cannot fly until replaced regardless of the owners smoking policy. Again from memory.

    Forgot to mention that I am trying to quote from the MEL which is written up by the aircraft manufacturer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    salmocab wrote: »
    Flew to Orlando and back on the new 757 lovely job altogether

    "New", "757" and "Orlando" don't belong in the same sentence. You may be thinking of an A330.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,669 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    EchoIndia wrote: »
    "New", "757" and "Orlando" don't belong in the same sentence. You may be thinking of an A330.

    It was definitely new the pilot said it was a month old and it was only yesterday. might have been an airbus as I don't have a clue about planes but I thought they said 757. Was the plane used in Orlando not damaged a few weeks back maybe they switched out aircraft for maintenance

    seating was 2 4 2 if that helps


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    salmocab wrote: »
    It was definitely new the pilot said it was a month old and it was only yesterday. might have been an airbus as I don't have a clue about planes but I thought they said 757. Was the plane used in Orlando not damaged a few weeks back maybe they switched out aircraft for maintenance

    It was the newest A330 in the fleet, EI-FNH.
    https://www.flightradar24.com/flight/ei121


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭VG31


    salmocab wrote: »
    It was definitely new the pilot said it was a month old and it was only yesterday. might have been an airbus as I don't have a clue about planes but I thought they said 757. Was the plane used in Orlando not damaged a few weeks back maybe they switched out aircraft for maintenance

    seating was 2 4 2 if that helps

    757 seating is 3 - 3 so it was an A330 you flew on.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,669 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    EchoIndia wrote: »
    It was the newest A330 in the fleet, EI-FNH.
    https://www.flightradar24.com/flight/ei121

    Yeah just had a look, my mistake. had a nice new car smell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭lintdrummer


    Ashtrays are required in case someone breaks the law and decides to light up: they must have a safe place to extinguish it without setting the aircraft on fire! As stated, they are a "no go" item in the MEL meaning that the aircraft cannot fly unless the ones on the outside of the lavatory door are present.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭billy few mates


    Ashtrays are required in case someone breaks the law and decides to light up: they must have a safe place to extinguish it without setting the aircraft on fire! As stated, they are a "no go" item in the MEL meaning that the aircraft cannot fly unless the ones on the outside of the lavatory door are present.

    For that reason you quite often find many airlines have the ashtrays chained to the lav door....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    Just checking the A350 production list, not that it means anything really but the EI orders have been removed and I see 2 orders from Iberia.


    https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbproduction/production-list-2


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,101 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Cant remember offhand, think EI werre down as MSN197 for A350.
    I expect IAG to announce a switch to A330neo and A321LR on Friday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    Tenger wrote: »
    Cant remember offhand, think EI werre down as MSN197 for A350.
    I expect IAG to announce a switch to A330neo and A321LR on Friday.
    Yes Tenger, 197 was correct, that however is now down Vietnam Airlines.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,101 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    roundymac wrote: »
    Yes Tenger, 197 was correct, that however is now down Vietnam Airlines.
    Thanks for that.
    Think we found our smoking gun on that long running question re the A350's.
    Shame really, but not unexpected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭sailing


    The A350's won't be coming to EI. They will stick with A330's with a small increase in the medium term along with 11 321 LR's to be announced joining the fleet, starting in 2018 to replace the 757 operation by 2021. I'm sure an announcement will be made shortly along with a new TA route and a beefing up of West Coast operations for next year.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,277 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    sailing wrote: »
    The A350's won't be coming to EI. They will stick with A330's with a small increase in the medium term along with 11 321 LR's to be announced joining the fleet, starting in 2018 to replace the 757 operation by 2021. I'm sure an announcement will be made shortly along with a new TA route and a beefing up of West Coast operations for next year.


    11 321neos ? Will all 11 be configured for long haul, with IFE and business class? Or will some go to short haul ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,256 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Does this mean they'll finally relent to my constant requests and give me the model A350 from the GC lounge?


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,101 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    sailing wrote: »
    The A350's won't be coming to EI. They will stick with A330's with a small increase in the medium term along with 11 A321LR's I'm sure an announcement will be made shortly along with a new TA route and a beefing up of West Coast operations for next year.
    I was referring to actual evidence more than 'just rumours'. The rumours re A350 order have been around since the IAG takeover. Even before from some chicken littles.
    I always went with the stance that "until we see something change officially EI are still planning to accept A350s in 2018"

    And as I keep posting the expected IAG announcement on Friday should provide clarity (and a few weeks debate) for us all here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Tenger wrote: »
    I was referring to actual evidence more than 'just rumours'. The rumours re A350 order have been around since the IAG takeover. Even before from some chicken littles.
    I always went with the stance that "until we see something change officially EI are still planning to accept A350s in 2018"
    And as I keep posting the expected IAG announcement on Friday should provide clarity (and a few weeks debate) for us all here.

    Friday is like Christmas morning!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭sailing


    Tenger wrote: »
    I was referring to actual evidence more than 'just rumours'. The rumours re A350 order have been around since the IAG takeover. Even before from some chicken littles.
    I always went with the stance that "until we see something change officially EI are still planning to accept A350s in 2018"


    And as I keep posting the expected IAG announcement on Friday should provide clarity (and a few weeks debate) for us all here.

    The A350 not coming to EI isn't rumour. Firstly, no project team has been set up to accommodate a new aircraft type. Within a team like this with a minimum of a 24 month lead in time would need to be established to set a training and familiarisation plan within all relevant departments. EI currently operate on a 5 year training plan. It's not to say that they the A350's won't arrive in the future,

    They won't however arrive before 2021 at the earliest. (5 year plan). ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,256 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    sailing wrote: »
    Firstly, no project team has been set up to accommodate a new aircraft type. Within a team like this with a minimum of a 24 month lead in time would need to be established to set a training and familiarisation plan within all relevant departments.

    But isn't that the whole point (mostly) with the Airbus fleet, cross training on AC is minimal.

    What 2/5 year training would Aer Lingus staff/ops need to go through?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,834 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    salmocab wrote: »
    It was definitely new the pilot said it was a month old and it was only yesterday. might have been an airbus as I don't have a clue about planes but I thought they said 757. Was the plane used in Orlando not damaged a few weeks back maybe they switched out aircraft for maintenance

    seating was 2 4 2 if that helps

    They'd have to be very narrow seats to be 2-4-2 on a 757 which is normally 3-3. Think of the 757 as a stretched version of the standard Ryanair plane (I know it's not) and you'all have an idea of the difference.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,101 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Engineering; Need minimum 18 month lead in on training for new aircraft type. Possibly recruitment if new type means more bodies overall in the operation. Stores and parts is additional issue.
    Airbus designed the A350 to operate alongside existing Airbus types so systems are evolutionary rather than revolutionary.

    EI already have new cabins on their latest A330 (EX3 IFE, recaro seats in J class, slimline in Y) so any new type wouldnt be a big job in that regard. Some work needed on cabin config and working with catering department re loading of equipment. (Unless of course EI had planed to surprise us with Y+ on the A350, this could require some work, cant see EI ever doing Premium Y)

    Cabin crew; Training wouldnt require too much lead in. Mainly recruitment for expansion if needed. Issue would be scheduling it in withing disrupting current operation.

    Flight crew; its supposed to be the same type rating but it would still be a 12-18 month lead in for manuals to be written and approved. Instructors to be checked out and then to ensure the right to left shuffle is done a few times to ensure they have sufficient crew for new aircraft entering service.

    Back office/Logistics-wise; Im not sure what logistical systems need to be in place. But similarly would need minimum 18 months lead in for a new type.

    Just as an example: The B757 operation which is a operated by ASL still required several months of disruption to allow EI to train their own Shannon based cabin crew for the B757 and ASL SOP's. Even before this happened the EI pilots who were transferring to the ASL operation were pulled offline from EI in order to be trained up, sim checked and line checked on the B757. So that was 6 months of frontline disruption for a (then envisioned) 3 yr damplease. I dont know what additional prep took place from an administrative/logistical point of view.


    @sailing Im not questioning your truth as you know it.
    Im stating that 'Officially' there has been nothing to say that EI were not accepting A350s until we saw this change to the delivery list.
    Info re internal teams is proprietary EI info and cannot be publically sourced. Anything that cannot be found publically or online is 'rumour'
    I could be Stephen Kavanaghs younger brother but unless I can prove it who would believe me?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,277 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    But isn't that the whole point (mostly) with the Airbus fleet, cross training on AC is minimal.

    What 2/5 year training would Aer Lingus staff/ops need to go through?

    I would imagine there would be a sinificant amount of training and conversion courses for engineers for example! Pilots would then have to do a conversion to an A350 type rating? Followed by cabin crew although this should be only a short conversion, involving door training, aircraft equipment, layout and specs.
    Finally ground staff both above and below the wing would require training but again this should be relatively short course.
    However when you take into account that probably 1000s of staff EI would need to train for all this you would need between 3/4 years at least, to take into account planning, actually scheduling and implementing training and allowing for familiarisation when the aircraft arrives!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭lintdrummer


    IAG to roll out wifi across short haul fleet.

    Beginning next year in conjunction with Inmarsat. BA to be looked after first. ASL 757's will have wifi next year supplied by Gogo. Other group aircraft being modded through to 2019. Supposedly the bandwidth will allow for video streaming and each passenger will be able to connect multiple devices at a time. I expect the mod to be conducted as aircraft go to C Check.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 666 ✭✭✭maximum12


    IAG to roll out wifi across short haul fleet.

    Beginning next year in conjunction with Inmarsat. BA to be looked after first. ASL 757's will have wifi next year supplied by Gogo. Other group aircraft being modded through to 2019. Supposedly the bandwidth will allow for video streaming and each passenger will be able to connect multiple devices at a time. I expect the mod to be conducted as aircraft go to C Check.

    Didn't realise how small Iberia is. Not that much bigger than aer Lingus.

    They'll need to figure out the buying process for this to be a success in short haul. You'd have arrived at your destination if it's like the t mobile service on aer Lingus.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,256 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    maximum12 wrote: »
    Didn't realise how small Iberia is. Not that much bigger than aer Lingus.

    certainly short haul anyway, though they have a slight larger LH fleet with 8 332's & 8 333's, as well as 17 A340-600's


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