Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

Wrongway1985 · 13-10-2016 06:31PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Has there been a date set for the next 205 presser?

Thursday November 10th

mdwexford · 13-10-2016 06:33PM

There has to be a deterrent though so this kind of behaviour isn't replicated in the future.

People need to be hit where it hurts and money and time are what hurts most people. Fines have to be relative to each persons wealth. No point having it as a flat 5k fine. Unknown fighters won't be able to afford it, and super wealthy fighters won't give a toss about paying it.

I've seen a lot of people give out about this situation but have seen nobody offer an alternative punishment that will frighten potential future offenders.

Turtyturd · 13-10-2016 06:36PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

His lawyers response to that question has been completely overlooked on this forum and in the media.

The Commission asked would it be a hardship for Conor to do the community service in Nevada and noted that on his fighter paperwork, they pointed out his Residence is listed as USA, not Ireland.. His lawyer said,

"Conor is in the process of finalising the purchase of a property in Southern California and spends most of his time in America, but he is currently in Dublin".

She went out of her way to avoid saying Conor lives in Ireland. Now, this could be to do with tax reasons i don't know.

But that's why the Community Service was applied for America.

The problem i have is simple. A fine based system is completely unfair.

Jeff Roman fought on the undercard of WSOF 30 under the same jurisdiction. It was in Vegas.

He was paid $500 show money. Even by WSOF standards this is incredibly low.

Under the same fine-based system, he would have received a fine of $25 for the exact same infraction that McGregor was fined $150,000 for. And if Floyd Mayweather was fined for a similar incident against Manny, he'd have been fined $5,000,000.

You can't have a situation where 3 fighters, committing the exact same infraction are fined a) $25 b) $150,000 and c) $5,000,000.

Obviously it's inconceivable they would fine Roman 150 grand he can't afford. But it's equally inconceivable that the exact same offence can yield fines ranging between $25 dollars and $5 million dollars.

I believe that there should be no, or little, monetary punishment.

More to the point, the McGregor fine isn't really $150,000.

He's being compelled to film an anti-bullying advert. His rates for the Budweiser commerical or similar would have been $500,000.

50 hours of his time, well how do you put a value on time? But it's safe to say if he put those 50 hours into photo-shoots for magazines, for paid-interviews, for tv appearances, that 50 hours could be worth another $500,000.

The fine is $150,000 but the true nature of the fine is well over $1 million.

That's an egregious abuse of power.

The community service element i'm ok with as long as there's no fine on top of it. That way all fighters can be treated equally because the loss of their time has a uniform impact on their lives.

Your cherry picking of figures to promote/defend McGregor throughout this thread is hilarious.

wonderfullife · 13-10-2016 06:40PM

mdwexford wrote: »

There has to be a deterrent though so this kind of behaviour isn't replicated in the future.

People need to be hit where it hurts and money and time are what hurts most people. Fines have to be relative to each persons wealth. No point having it as a flat 5k fine. Unknown fighters won't be able to afford it, and super wealthy fighters won't give a toss about paying it.

I've seen a lot of people give out about this situation but have seen nobody offer an alternative punishment that will frighten potential future offenders.

Community service is, in itself, a deterrent and an equal deterrent.

50 hours of Conor McGregors time away from training will have a similar impact as 50 hours of Jon Dodsons time. It'll disrupt their training schedules.

As i said above, Conor could probably put that 50 hours of work into making a lot more money than Dodson could.

In that respect, it's not equal but a double punishment of a fine and community service hits fighters in the pocket twice.

It also deters fighters wanting to fight in Nevada.

Let's be real here - what would Conor be more worried about? 150 grand or having to sit with kids teaching jiu-jitsu for 50 hours?

It's the community service that's the real deterrent - not 5% of purse.

wonderfullife · 13-10-2016 06:51PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Your cherry picking of figures to promote/defend McGregor throughout this thread is hilarious.

Take it you chose to completely ignore Axwell's warning about personal attacks?

I wrote a lengthy reply as to why it's unfair FOR ALL FIGHTERS to have a fine-based system. It's just as unfair for McGregor as it would be for Bryan Carraway.

wonderfullife · 13-10-2016 06:54PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Your cherry picking of figures to promote/defend McGregor throughout this thread is hilarious.

Incidentally, i chose to criticise McGregor and Kavanagh for the Luka Jelcic situation, for the Johnny Dargan situation, for the inclusion of Charlie Ward in the camp etc.

Richard tea · 13-10-2016 07:57PM

Serious lack of the mac life videos. Hopefully they start next week

Axwell · 13-10-2016 08:06PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Your cherry picking of figures to promote/defend McGregor throughout this thread is hilarious.

Nice of you to drop in with that insightful contribution. If you don't have anything of value to add to the discussion then don't bother to post.

mdwexford · 13-10-2016 08:36PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Community service is, in itself, a deterrent and an equal deterrent.

50 hours of Conor McGregors time away from training will have a similar impact as 50 hours of Jon Dodsons time. It'll disrupt their training schedules.

As i said above, Conor could probably put that 50 hours of work into making a lot more money than Dodson could.

In that respect, it's not equal but a double punishment of a fine and community service hits fighters in the pocket twice.

It also deters fighters wanting to fight in Nevada.

Let's be real here - what would Conor be more worried about? 150 grand or having to sit with kids teaching jiu-jitsu for 50 hours?

It's the community service that's the real deterrent - not 5% of purse.

Of course, I'd agree the community service is much more of a deterrent than the 5% myself.

By the same token I don't think this is too harsh a punishment. This stuff cannot be allowed and should be clamped down on instantly. Imagine this kind of thing happening at a football or basketball team press conference. Obviously tensions run a lot higher when fighters are beside each other but that doesn't excuse it.

These guys are professional athletes and should behave as such.

Throwing cans and bottles is drunken nightclub behaviour.

Lukker- · 13-10-2016 08:38PM

Jon Jones only got 40 hours of community service for actually starting a brawl.

Swashbuckler · 13-10-2016 08:44PM

It amazes me that people are still debating percentages and whatnot and not the actual farce kangaroo court that is the commission. The 5% isn't the issue. The nature of the commission is the problem.

hendo111 · 13-10-2016 08:46PM

Im pretty sure I seen more than Conor and Nate throwing projectiles,from either side,licensed fighters included (Nick,Shields) ect how are these getting off scot free?

mdwexford · 13-10-2016 08:57PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

It amazes me that people are still debating percentages and whatnot and not the actual farce kangaroo court that is the commission. The 5% isn't the issue. The nature of the commission is the problem.

How so?

Genuine question as I didn't watch the verdict, not sure if it was even available to watch.

hendo111 wrote: »

Im pretty sure I seen more than Conor and Nate throwing projectiles,from either side,licensed fighters included (Nick,Shields) ect how are these getting off scot free?

Without a doubt, all fighters should be punished.

Swashbuckler · 13-10-2016 09:05PM

mdwexford wrote:

How so?

mdwexford wrote:

Genuine question as I didn't watch the verdict, not sure if it was even available to watch.

Ya it was online. Youtube I think. Pretty sure somebody linked it here. They're a mickey mouse court. The prosecutor recommended 25k fine. At one stage the commission were considering 300k. They essentially said these campaigns are expensive so they were basically saying let's fine him more to help pay for this anti bullying campaign. I remember the Nick Diaz case aswell. Inconsistent and arbitrary. They're a joke. The Vitor case was another one. Basically saying "will you be a good boy now". You really need to watch one to see just how bad they are.

wonderfullife · 13-10-2016 09:08PM

mdwexford wrote: »

Imagine this kind of thing happening at a football or basketball team press conference.

UFC is heavily reliant on a PPV model and fighters like McGregor/Diaz receive the majority of their pay based on the amount of PPV sales.

So, if Wayne Rooney decided to lob a water bottle at a heckler at a press conference it wouldn't change his salary or earning potential.

Whereas fighters have active, in-built incentives to hype a fight. Brawls like Jones-Cormier or Haye-Chisora ultimately help the fighters where it matters to them most, their pay!

I've seen some estimates that the water-bottle fracas probably increased PPV numbers by 200,000 (estimate was based off google analytic data comparing traffic between UFC 196 and 202). That's a cool $1 million extra for Conor on his PPV-points.

So, fighters are always going to have an incentive to do things in the build-up to hype a fight that are not permitted by Commissions.

hendo111 wrote: »

Im pretty sure I seen more than Conor and Nate throwing projectiles,from either side,licensed fighters included (Nick,Shields) ect how are these getting off scot free?

Nick, to the best of my knowledge, does not have an active fighters license. He's still suspended as he hasn't paid the 75 grand he owes Nevada. I'm surprised also they haven't gone after him for this incident.

Jake Shields was arguably the worst offender, launching piping hot coffee's and trying to throw laptops!!

ASOT · 13-10-2016 09:10PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

UFC is heavily reliant on a PPV model and fighters like McGregor/Diaz receive the majority of their pay based on the amount of PPV sales.

So, if Wayne Rooney decided to lob a water bottle at a heckler at a press conference it wouldn't change his salary or earning potential.

Whereas fighters have active, in-built incentives to hype a fight. Brawls like Jones-Cormier or Haye-Chisora ultimately help the fighters where it matters to them most, their pay!

I've seen some estimates that the water-bottle fracas probably increased PPV numbers by 200,000 (estimate was based off google analytic data comparing traffic between UFC 196 and 202). That's a cool $1 million extra for Conor on his PPV-points.

So, fighters are always going to have an incentive to do things in the build-up to hype a fight that are not permitted by Commissions.

Nick, to the best of my knowledge, does not have an active fighters license. He's still suspended as he hasn't paid the 75 grand he owes Nevada. I'm surprised also they haven't gone after him for this incident.

Jake Shields was arguably the worst offender, launching piping hot coffee's and trying to throw laptops!!

Jake Shields in an absolute mongo, if only palhares held him arm for a few more seconds he wouldnt have been throwing anything.

mdwexford · 13-10-2016 09:15PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

UFC is heavily reliant on a PPV model and fighters like McGregor/Diaz receive the majority of their pay based on the amount of PPV sales.

So, if Wayne Rooney decided to lob a water bottle at a heckler at a press conference it wouldn't change his salary or earning potential.

Whereas fighters have active, in-built incentives to hype a fight. Brawls like Jones-Cormier or Haye-Chisora ultimately help the fighters where it matters to them most, their pay!

I've seen some estimates that the water-bottle fracas probably increased PPV numbers by 200,000 (estimate was based off google analytic data comparing traffic between UFC 196 and 202). That's a cool $1 million extra for Conor on his PPV-points.

So, fighters are always going to have an incentive to do things in the build-up to hype a fight that are not permitted by Commissions.

Can't agree with that. If Rooney did that the club would suspend him and it could well impact his future earning potential and reputation.

It does create hype of course but eventually fighters will start getting long suspensions or even fired if this becomes the norm. Trash talk and a bit of a push and shove all you want but throwing objects across a crowded room is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

wonderfullife · 13-10-2016 09:30PM

mdwexford wrote: »

Can't agree with that. If Rooney did that the club would suspend him and it could well impact his future earning potential and reputation.

It does create hype of course but eventually fighters will start getting long suspensions or even fired if this becomes the norm. Trash talk and a bit of a push and shove all you want but throwing objects across a crowded room is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Rooney is on 300 grand a week. If he launches a water bottle at a presser on friday and plays on Saturday, he still only gets 300 grand. Even when suspended through red cards or injury, players still receive their money.

My point is he doesn't get paid 600 grand on a saturday because he hyped the match up by flinging a bottle of Volvic. He just gets the 300.

There's no in-built incentive in most sports outside boxing and MMA to hype fights.

mdwexford · 13-10-2016 09:42PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Rooney is on 300 grand a week. If he launches a water bottle at a presser on friday and plays on Saturday, he still only gets 300 grand. Even when suspended through red cards or injury, players still receive their money.

My point is he doesn't get paid 600 grand on a saturday because he hyped the match up by flinging a bottle of Volvic. He just gets the 300.

There's no in-built incentive in most sports outside boxing and MMA to hype fights.

My point is he could get fined by the club and it's obviously not in his best interests to behave like this.

Yeah that's a fact, when your wages are improved by ppv buys it changes things.

nomadchocolate · 13-10-2016 10:13PM

The topic has been done to death, and I still think the 150k fine is egregious, but let's move on!

I was listening to Joe Rogan podcast (a podcast that makes you stupid the more you listen to it!). He said Conor is the best ****-talker in the sport and the best at getting in opponents heads.

I think that was true upto a point but more recently I feel his shtick has become stale.

Calling people "bums" etc has lost any limited originality it did have. On his rise in the UFC he was far more charismatic and orginal.

Do you agree or disagree?

hendo111 · 13-10-2016 10:15PM

His most recent press conference was one of his funniest,dont think his stick is gone stale tbh,never been more popular look at his tweet about the fine it had about 50k rt's on twitter.

HattrickNZ · 13-10-2016 10:22PM

Calling people "bums" etc has lost any limited originality it did have. On his rise in the UFC he was far more charismatic and orginal.
I aggree he was alot funnier and less serious. But maybe it is natural progression. Progressing to where I am not sure.
I am not saying he is not funny now, its just a different funny but the tone has changed.
There is also a fine line between confidence and arrogance. I think he crossed that for his 1st fight with diaz.

nomadchocolate · 13-10-2016 10:25PM

HattrickNZ wrote: »

Calling people "bums" etc has lost any limited originality it did have. On his rise in the UFC he was far more charismatic and orginal.
I aggree he was alot funnier and less serious. But maybe it is natural progression. Progressing to where I am not sure.
I am not saying he is not funny now, its just a different funny but the tone has changed.
There is also a fine line between confidence and arrogance. I think he crossed that for his 1st fight with diaz.

i think the turning point was when he turned up to the RDA press conference resembling 'El Chapo'. For me, he went from funny and charismatic to me rolling my eyes to heaven.

Anyway I wait to be accused of being an armchair psychologist!

wonderfullife · 13-10-2016 10:44PM

For me, personally, his most charming and funny was during The Time is Now presser in late-2014. He was pure gold in that presser and Ronda couldn't stop laughing. He stole that show when not a giant star at the time.

I think Conor was influenced by events when it came to the El Chapo stuff. The capture was in the news around that time and then, of course, Narcos came out on Netflix and suddenly Conor is on to wearing a t-shirt of Escobar.

The "50's baby!" McGregor is still there, at times, and he seemed a lot more like his old self at the recent presser.

TimRiggins · 13-10-2016 10:48PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

For me, personally, his most charming and funny was during The Time is Now presser in late-2014. He was pure gold in that presser and Ronda couldn't stop laughing. He stole that show when not a giant star at the time.

I think Conor was influenced by events when it came to the El Chapo stuff. The capture was in the news around that time and then, of course, Narcos came out on Netflix and suddenly Conor is on to wearing a t-shirt of Escobar.

The "50's baby!" McGregor is still there, at times, and he seemed a lot more like his old self at the recent presser.

The lead up to the Poirier fight was pure gold too. Conor just taking the piss and Dustin seething in anger. "A gust of win and he does the chicken dance" gold.

Swashbuckler · 13-10-2016 10:50PM

It's the nature of what he's doing. It's gonna become stale no matter what. But he knows what sells and he may as well stick to it. Some of the stuff during the Aldo world tour was a but much in my opinion but when u see the state of Aldo on fight night it's hard to argue against it.

.ak · 14-10-2016 12:13AM

I dunno, I still think McGregor is very much aware of his persona on 'stage'. I think he's trying to capture the 'Don' character right now, and that gets under fighter's skin. They all want to see him fall. Which is perfect for him, as it makes his next opponent more emotionally committed.

Alvarez right now reminds me of Poirer, only Alvarez so far is doing a better job of holding it together, but you could see in the face off he was clearly jittered.

wonderfullife · 14-10-2016 12:25AM

.ak wrote: »

I dunno, I still think McGregor is very much aware of his persona on 'stage'. I think he's trying to capture the 'Don' character right now, and that gets under fighter's skin. They all want to see him fall. Which is perfect for him, as it makes his next opponent more emotionally committed.

Alvarez right now reminds me of Poirer, only Alvarez so far is doing a better job of holding it together, but you could see in the face off he was clearly jittered.

What he does so effectively is belittle his opponents.

Embarrassing someone produces such a strong emotional reaction and leaves a lasting impression.

I'm sure we've all made a fool of ourselves at a Work Xmas Party or wedding reception and that feeling of embarrassment can really sting.

Brimage, Brandao, Poirier, Mendes, Siver, Aldo..... i'd argue all of the above fought over-emotionally. They all wanted to go in and rip his head off.

The only 2 who seemed to fight fairly composed against McGregor were 2 stoners from Hawaii and California respectively! There could be something to the whole "weed beats speed" quip :pac:

Eddie looked distinctly embarrassed when McGregor brought up his contract. He composed himself and fired back but you could see on his face he was embarrassed and thinking "how the hell does he know that".

Ultimately we'll never know for sure if 'mental warfare' actually works or is the real deal but it can't be a coincidence that so many guys get in the cage wanting to rip his head off.

stephenl15 · 14-10-2016 12:36AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Brimage, Brandao, Poirier, Mendes, Siver, Aldo..... i'd argue all of the above fought over-emotionally. They all wanted to go in and rip his head off.

Agree with everything except Siver, don't think he let his emotions get to him at all

wonderfullife · 14-10-2016 01:21AM

stephenl15 wrote: »

Agree with everything except Siver, don't think he let his emotions get to him at all

Yeah i just thought that Siver went into his shell in that fight but maybe he was just past his best. He didn't seem able to pull the trigger on his shots.

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