Outlaw Pete wrote: » Has there been a date set for the next 205 presser?
wonderfullife wrote: » His lawyers response to that question has been completely overlooked on this forum and in the media. The Commission asked would it be a hardship for Conor to do the community service in Nevada and noted that on his fighter paperwork, they pointed out his Residence is listed as USA, not Ireland.. His lawyer said, "Conor is in the process of finalising the purchase of a property in Southern California and spends most of his time in America, but he is currently in Dublin". She went out of her way to avoid saying Conor lives in Ireland. Now, this could be to do with tax reasons i don't know. But that's why the Community Service was applied for America. The problem i have is simple. A fine based system is completely unfair. Jeff Roman fought on the undercard of WSOF 30 under the same jurisdiction. It was in Vegas. He was paid $500 show money. Even by WSOF standards this is incredibly low. Under the same fine-based system, he would have received a fine of $25 for the exact same infraction that McGregor was fined $150,000 for. And if Floyd Mayweather was fined for a similar incident against Manny, he'd have been fined $5,000,000. You can't have a situation where 3 fighters, committing the exact same infraction are fined a) $25 b) $150,000 and c) $5,000,000. Obviously it's inconceivable they would fine Roman 150 grand he can't afford. But it's equally inconceivable that the exact same offence can yield fines ranging between $25 dollars and $5 million dollars. I believe that there should be no, or little, monetary punishment. More to the point, the McGregor fine isn't really $150,000. He's being compelled to film an anti-bullying advert. His rates for the Budweiser commerical or similar would have been $500,000.50 hours of his time, well how do you put a value on time? But it's safe to say if he put those 50 hours into photo-shoots for magazines, for paid-interviews, for tv appearances, that 50 hours could be worth another $500,000. The fine is $150,000 but the true nature of the fine is well over $1 million. That's an egregious abuse of power. The community service element i'm ok with as long as there's no fine on top of it. That way all fighters can be treated equally because the loss of their time has a uniform impact on their lives.
mdwexford wrote: » There has to be a deterrent though so this kind of behaviour isn't replicated in the future. People need to be hit where it hurts and money and time are what hurts most people. Fines have to be relative to each persons wealth. No point having it as a flat 5k fine. Unknown fighters won't be able to afford it, and super wealthy fighters won't give a toss about paying it. I've seen a lot of people give out about this situation but have seen nobody offer an alternative punishment that will frighten potential future offenders.
Turtyturd wrote: » Your cherry picking of figures to promote/defend McGregor throughout this thread is hilarious.
wonderfullife wrote: » Community service is, in itself, a deterrent and an equal deterrent. 50 hours of Conor McGregors time away from training will have a similar impact as 50 hours of Jon Dodsons time. It'll disrupt their training schedules. As i said above, Conor could probably put that 50 hours of work into making a lot more money than Dodson could. In that respect, it's not equal but a double punishment of a fine and community service hits fighters in the pocket twice. It also deters fighters wanting to fight in Nevada. Let's be real here - what would Conor be more worried about? 150 grand or having to sit with kids teaching jiu-jitsu for 50 hours? It's the community service that's the real deterrent - not 5% of purse.
Swashbuckler wrote: » It amazes me that people are still debating percentages and whatnot and not the actual farce kangaroo court that is the commission. The 5% isn't the issue. The nature of the commission is the problem.
hendo111 wrote: » Im pretty sure I seen more than Conor and Nate throwing projectiles,from either side,licensed fighters included (Nick,Shields) ect how are these getting off scot free?
mdwexford wrote: How so?
mdwexford wrote: Genuine question as I didn't watch the verdict, not sure if it was even available to watch.
mdwexford wrote: » Imagine this kind of thing happening at a football or basketball team press conference.
wonderfullife wrote: » UFC is heavily reliant on a PPV model and fighters like McGregor/Diaz receive the majority of their pay based on the amount of PPV sales. So, if Wayne Rooney decided to lob a water bottle at a heckler at a press conference it wouldn't change his salary or earning potential. Whereas fighters have active, in-built incentives to hype a fight. Brawls like Jones-Cormier or Haye-Chisora ultimately help the fighters where it matters to them most, their pay! I've seen some estimates that the water-bottle fracas probably increased PPV numbers by 200,000 (estimate was based off google analytic data comparing traffic between UFC 196 and 202). That's a cool $1 million extra for Conor on his PPV-points. So, fighters are always going to have an incentive to do things in the build-up to hype a fight that are not permitted by Commissions. Nick, to the best of my knowledge, does not have an active fighters license. He's still suspended as he hasn't paid the 75 grand he owes Nevada. I'm surprised also they haven't gone after him for this incident. Jake Shields was arguably the worst offender, launching piping hot coffee's and trying to throw laptops!!
wonderfullife wrote: » UFC is heavily reliant on a PPV model and fighters like McGregor/Diaz receive the majority of their pay based on the amount of PPV sales. So, if Wayne Rooney decided to lob a water bottle at a heckler at a press conference it wouldn't change his salary or earning potential. Whereas fighters have active, in-built incentives to hype a fight. Brawls like Jones-Cormier or Haye-Chisora ultimately help the fighters where it matters to them most, their pay! I've seen some estimates that the water-bottle fracas probably increased PPV numbers by 200,000 (estimate was based off google analytic data comparing traffic between UFC 196 and 202). That's a cool $1 million extra for Conor on his PPV-points. So, fighters are always going to have an incentive to do things in the build-up to hype a fight that are not permitted by Commissions.
mdwexford wrote: » Can't agree with that. If Rooney did that the club would suspend him and it could well impact his future earning potential and reputation. It does create hype of course but eventually fighters will start getting long suspensions or even fired if this becomes the norm. Trash talk and a bit of a push and shove all you want but throwing objects across a crowded room is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
wonderfullife wrote: » Rooney is on 300 grand a week. If he launches a water bottle at a presser on friday and plays on Saturday, he still only gets 300 grand. Even when suspended through red cards or injury, players still receive their money. My point is he doesn't get paid 600 grand on a saturday because he hyped the match up by flinging a bottle of Volvic. He just gets the 300. There's no in-built incentive in most sports outside boxing and MMA to hype fights.
HattrickNZ wrote: » Calling people "bums" etc has lost any limited originality it did have. On his rise in the UFC he was far more charismatic and orginal.I aggree he was alot funnier and less serious. But maybe it is natural progression. Progressing to where I am not sure. I am not saying he is not funny now, its just a different funny but the tone has changed. There is also a fine line between confidence and arrogance. I think he crossed that for his 1st fight with diaz.
wonderfullife wrote: » For me, personally, his most charming and funny was during The Time is Now presser in late-2014. He was pure gold in that presser and Ronda couldn't stop laughing. He stole that show when not a giant star at the time. I think Conor was influenced by events when it came to the El Chapo stuff. The capture was in the news around that time and then, of course, Narcos came out on Netflix and suddenly Conor is on to wearing a t-shirt of Escobar. The "50's baby!" McGregor is still there, at times, and he seemed a lot more like his old self at the recent presser.
.ak wrote: » I dunno, I still think McGregor is very much aware of his persona on 'stage'. I think he's trying to capture the 'Don' character right now, and that gets under fighter's skin. They all want to see him fall. Which is perfect for him, as it makes his next opponent more emotionally committed. Alvarez right now reminds me of Poirer, only Alvarez so far is doing a better job of holding it together, but you could see in the face off he was clearly jittered.
wonderfullife wrote: » Brimage, Brandao, Poirier, Mendes, Siver, Aldo..... i'd argue all of the above fought over-emotionally. They all wanted to go in and rip his head off.
stephenl15 wrote: » Agree with everything except Siver, don't think he let his emotions get to him at all
