3 lowlifes get life for bashing a man to death.

MartyDublin · 11-10-2016 03:14PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Charter of human rights??? Tell that the judges in other countries where if a judge thinks you have a case to answer you can be kept in for up to two years while the investigation continues.

No, its the Irish constitution and laws and more particularly how the judges have interpreted them.

Thats only in spain as it is not left with a judiciary but a magistrate to work out the charge.

11-10-2016 03:16PM

The problem about these guys is not that they are the low life or even that the murdered somebody. The real problem is that they were not locked up properly for their earlier crimes. Burglary and arson both merit decent jail times; multiple burglaries and arsons should have merited really substantial jail time... They should not have been out in society.

jmayo · 11-10-2016 03:17PM

tomofson wrote: »

Why do you keep on bringing up the one case over and over again, the majority of prisoners would even despise that individual he is an extreme within the courts system.

I keep bringing it up because it is the one that really shows how bad our system is, well bad that is for the honest law abiding peaceful portion of the population.

There are other examples of fookups in our justice and prison system.
How about the continued day release of a convicted killer and psychopath who was suspect in another murder, had been found to expose himself to children when on work program and who went on to kill another person when on day release.

Then we can of course discuss how a rapist and triple killer in Kilkenny had his three consecutive sentences reduced down to one concurrent sentence.

We can discuss how a rape victim had to travel back down to Clare with her sneering rapists who the judge had given a suspended sentence to.

After that we can maybe discuss how good old larry murphy just got one major sentence and the fact he kidnapped, raped and attempted to murder his victim had no real bearing on his sentence nor the fact he automatically got remission.

And then maybe you with your indepth knowledge can give some cases and we can figure out if their victims actually got any justice.

ThinkProgress · 11-10-2016 03:18PM

HensVassal wrote: »

The more you turn the screws the harder you make it for yourself. Starving prisoners and working them into the ground will only result in revolts and riots. Now I'm sure your answer to that will be dogs, baton charges, water cannon and solitary, but that just gives rise to a whole other set of problems and reactions. Next you'll be dealing with hungers strikes. Let a few prisoners starve to death and you'll be out one your ass and up in front of a tribunal post haste.

You're clutching at straws now...

Show me where I said anything about starving anyone?

I'm suggesting they should be worked relentlessly hard. They should be so physically and mentally exhausted, that they don't even have the energy to misbehave or play the system...

No lounging about. No free time to use their clever criminal minds to think up criminal enterprises or ways to beat the system.

They should be fed enough food to keep them going, but not enough for them to be carrying any weight... they should have access to proper medical care etc etc.

Prison should be the hardest thing they've ever experienced, or are ever likely to experience... They should leave prison with a strong appreciation for their freedom. They should be terrified of re-offending and going back behind bars.

And you can be damn sure they will tell all their other buddies about how miserable prison life is. "Rehabilitation" can take on many different forms... that's my version "rehabilitation"...

tomofson · 11-10-2016 03:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The problem about these guys is not that they are the low life or even that the murdered somebody. The real problem is that they were not locked up properly for their earlier crimes. Burglary and arson both merit decent jail times; multiple burglaries and arsons should have merited really substantial jail time... They should not have been out in society.

Nobody is debating that, but only one within the 3 had those types of convictions, and that is the one who may have been falsely convicted.

11-10-2016 03:18PM

MartyDublin wrote: »

Thats only in spain as it is not left with a judiciary but a magistrate to work out the charge.

No, Most of Europe and countries that follow the Napoleonic code is similar. Habeus corpus is an english common law concept.

MartyDublin · 11-10-2016 03:23PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No, Most of Europe and countries that follow the Napoleonic code is similar. Habeus corpus is an english common law concept.

Im not aware of anyother coutries that issue this proceeding. Can you please direct me to it. I like to follow law and am interested

JupiterKid · 11-10-2016 03:35PM

A lot of heat being generated on this thread but sadly not a lot of light.

tomofson · 11-10-2016 03:36PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

A lot of heat being generated on this thread but sadly not a lot of light.

Isn't it always the way.

11-10-2016 03:44PM

MartyDublin wrote: »

Im not aware of anyother coutries that issue this proceeding. Can you please direct me to it. I like to follow law and am interested

plenty of reading here;

http://www.ecba.org/content/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=415:upcoming-edinburgh-scotland-spring-conference-sp-58099165&catid=74&Itemid=24

In France for example 'if the investigation so requires or as a precautionary measure'... you can be remanded 'exceptionally', but its used more often than that.

ThinkProgress · 11-10-2016 03:51PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

A lot of heat being generated on this thread but sadly not a lot of light.

Very clever insight there... So witty!

How long have you been waiting to make that interjection? :P

corner of hells · 11-10-2016 04:23PM

To actually serve anywhere near 8 to 10 years in Ireland means you had to have done something pretty bad.
So fook them and I could say something about the ones championing them.

What about the life sentences often being served by the REAL VICTIMS and REAL VICTIMS families.
They don't end after 8 or 10 years like those of the scrots you are worried about.[/quote]

I'm not championing them , nor do I particularly worry about them.

I work in an envoironment with ex prisoners , I certainly don't condone thier past behaviours .

If you read my post its a response to another poster suggesting Irish prisoners have it easy.

I also know very well if you serve eight plus years in Ireland it's not for fare evasion.

MartyDublin · 11-10-2016 04:27PM

corner of hells wrote: »

To actually serve anywhere near 8 to 10 years in Ireland means you had to have done something pretty bad.
So fook them and I could say something about the ones championing them.

What about the life sentences often being served by the REAL VICTIMS and REAL VICTIMS families.
They don't end after 8 or 10 years like those of the scrots you are worried about.

I'm not championing them , nor do I particularly worry about them.

I work in an envoironment with ex prisoners , I certainly don't condone thier past behaviours .

If you read my post its a response to another poster suggesting Irish prisoners have it easy.

I also know very well if you serve eight plus years in Ireland it's not for fare evasion.[/quote]

You dont work with ex prisoners that much is clear from your post. Your lack of understanding.

HensVassal · 11-10-2016 04:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Charter of human rights??? Tell that the judges in other countries where if a judge thinks you have a case to answer you can be kept in for up to two years while the investigation continues.

No, its the Irish constitution and laws and more particularly how the judges have interpreted them.

Everyone is entitled to a speedy trial. Can you imagine you were completely innocent but left to languish in a cell for 2 years while a bunch of cops sat on their arses. When you eventually get out your life is fucked. Job gone, house repossessed because you couldn't make a payment from your jail cell, everything ruined.

MartyDublin · 11-10-2016 04:34PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Everyone is entitled to a speedy trial. Can you imagine you were completely innocent but left to languish in a cell for 2 years while a bunch of cops sat on their arses. When you eventually get out your life is fucked. Job gone, house repossessed because you couldn't make a payment from your jail cell, everything ruined.

Its called abuse of due process when judiciary do this.

corner of hells · 11-10-2016 04:35PM

MartyDublin wrote: »

I'm not championing them , nor do I particularly worry about them.

I work in an envoironment with ex prisoners , I certainly don't condone thier past behaviours .

If you read my post its a response to another poster suggesting Irish prisoners have it easy.

I also know very well if you serve eight plus years in Ireland it's not for fare evasion.

You dont work with ex prisoners that much is clear from your post. Your lack of understanding.[/quote]

I do

HensVassal · 11-10-2016 05:43PM

ThinkProgress wrote: »

You're clutching at straws now...

Show me where I said anything about starving anyone?

I'm suggesting they should be worked relentlessly hard. They should be so physically and mentally exhausted, that they don't even have the energy to misbehave or play the system...

No lounging about. No free time to use their clever criminal minds to think up criminal enterprises or ways to beat the system.

They should be fed enough food to keep them going, but not enough for them to be carrying any weight... they should have access to proper medical care etc etc.

Prison should be the hardest thing they've ever experienced, or are ever likely to experience... They should leave prison with a strong appreciation for their freedom. They should be terrified of re-offending and going back behind bars.

And you can be damn sure they will tell all their other buddies about how miserable prison life is. "Rehabilitation" can take on many different forms... that's my version "rehabilitation"...

When you mentioned the bare minimum of necessities I thought you were suggesting giving them enough food just to survive.

What makes you think your great plan will work? And what will you do if they refuse to acqueisce to your slavery model? Do you plan to pay them for this "work"? What kind of work would you have them do? Meaningless, mundane, unnecessary crap or something they might actually take pride in?

the_syco · 11-10-2016 05:45PM

What utter scum! Hope they meet untimely "accidents" upon their release.

HensVassal · 11-10-2016 05:48PM

ThinkProgress wrote: »

You're clutching at straws now...

Show me where I said anything about starving anyone?

I'm suggesting they should be worked relentlessly hard. They should be so physically and mentally exhausted, that they don't even have the energy to misbehave or play the system...

No lounging about. No free time to use their clever criminal minds to think up criminal enterprises or ways to beat the system.

They should be fed enough food to keep them going, but not enough for them to be carrying any weight... they should have access to proper medical care etc etc.

Prison should be the hardest thing they've ever experienced, or are ever likely to experience... They should leave prison with a strong appreciation for their freedom. They should be terrified of re-offending and going back behind bars.

And you can be damn sure they will tell all their other buddies about how miserable prison life is. "Rehabilitation" can take on many different forms... that's my version "rehabilitation"...

You'd swear you actually had a clue what you were talking about.

MartyDublin · 11-10-2016 06:08PM

the_syco wrote: »

What utter scum! Hope they meet untimely "accidents" upon their release.

I can see your a valued member of society.

ThinkProgress · 11-10-2016 06:30PM

HensVassal wrote: »

When you mentioned the bare minimum of necessities I thought you were suggesting giving them enough food just to survive.

What makes you think your great plan will work? And what will you do if they refuse to acqueisce to your slavery model? Do you plan to pay them for this "work"? What kind of work would you have them do? Meaningless, mundane, unnecessary crap or something they might actually take pride in?

Why did you reply twice to the same post?

You give them enough food so they're not malnourished, yes, but certainly they should not be getting lots of food... and most of the food they do get should taste like cardboard... Bland, boring, tasteless gruel. (nutriloaf I think some prisons serve in the US)

You could pay them something. But very little... it's a punishment, not a job strictly speaking. They should be doing work that nobody else wants/enjoys doing.... digging ditches, cleaning sewers etc stuff like that. Humiliating exhausting and boring work! (it doesn't have to be unnecessary either btw - lots of menial tasks need doing)

I don't really care if they take pride in it. I care if they feel like their life in prison feels like punishment... if it does... job done!

If they fail to comply? They should be sentenced to forced labor as punishment for their crimes.

The work should be classified as rehabilitative labor... failure to engage with a rehabilitative program should result in punishment - solitary confinement, removal of all privileges, added time on to their sentence... whatever it takes!

Of course in this country of liberal-minded pu$$ies, you'd never get away with it... we're too kind and caring towards the lowest scum in society! Any hard line approach would have the crybabies whaling about human rights and slavery etc!

Fabb · 11-10-2016 06:52PM

Am I the only one who likes when scumbags like the one in the story are allowed on the street?

I mean don't me wrong they should be in jail, but it is a bargain to see the local wildlife in person for free as opposed to having to pay out money to go to the zoo to view the wildlife!! Outrageous!!

That said there is no local wildlife around Sth Dublin where I live in my great expensive house

AlekSmart · 11-10-2016 07:05PM

HensVassal wrote: »

More bullshit

Indeed,but as current events show,all quite accurate.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/griefstricken-families-slam-law-as-convicted-killers-eligible-for-parole-30903871.html

Under Irish law, all inmates serving a life or a long term sentence can be considered for early release after seven years by the Parole Board, which advices the minister who makes the ultimate decision.

But,on reflection...you are actually correct it is 100% pure Bullshytt.

AlekSmart · 11-10-2016 07:09PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Torture and slaughter me? Fookin hell.

Alrighty I'm out.

If you prefer you could be strangled and burnt....

Sharon, 30, was strangled by 28-year-old Hennessy before he started a fire in her home in Windgap, leaving the two girls to die from smoke inhalation. However his three life sentences run consecutively following an appeal.

AlekSmart · 11-10-2016 07:19PM

HensVassal wrote: »

FFS what is it with you and your rants about "left-leaning" this and "left-leaning" that?

The damn death penalty isn't about right and left, it's about right and wrong. And please don't trot out the predictable "Oh I bet you suggest these three scumbags get counselling and hugs and a holiday!" ..... No I don't. I am happy to see them banged up for 30 years or more until they are the age of the man they killed.
But barfing out inane platitudes like "they should be beaten to a pulp with bats and then set on fire, blah, blah, blah" is not big and it's not clever. It's stupid.

If you would prefer we have kangaroo courts and showtrials and torture and summary executions etc., rather than due process then maybe you'd feel more at home in Uganda or Myanmar.

I'm sick to the back teeth of locker-room politicians deriding the "looney-left" for all society's ills when the left wing are generally just people who are supporters of women's rights, minority rights, regulation and are not hypocrites...you know, people who actually engage their brains before opening their mouths.

I would merely prefer that individuals such as referred to on this thread are not granted automatic Medical cards and other State Assistance upon their release.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/prisoners-to-get-medical-card-when-they-leave-jail-754971.html

“So on the day they get home, there should be a medical card there for them,” said Mr Donnellan.

Earlier this year, a draft document on the development of the HSE’s centralised medical card unit said between 30,000 and 50,000 medical cards would be cut in 2016 due to more people getting a job, as well as reviews of eligibility and retention criteria. However, those cuts will not affect the prison population.

Mr Donnellan said the need for medical cards for prisoners was a “huge issue, especially for people on methadone or on medication”. It would mean they now had the ability to access medication on leaving prison.

It's not only Boards posters who can trot out inane platitudes...;)

moc moc a moc · 11-10-2016 07:59PM

MartyDublin wrote: »

While in cloverhill i seen a figure on an Red cross workshop that of all those that are sentenced to a custodial sentence in ireland 43% will refoffend. Some bloody rehabilitation.

Maybe because most people who are sentenced to a custodial sentence in Ireland are predisposed to crime to begin with? Similarly, did you know you're far more likely to drown in the sea than on land?

And even without rehabilitation, locking dangerous people in prison at the very least makes the rest of us safer, albeit temporarily.

tomofson wrote: »

Of course you do your classism is evident in everything you say and do just like most people on boards

As is your naivete.

twinytwo · 11-10-2016 08:00PM

eeguy wrote: »

69 convictions,
7 convictions,
21 convictions.

Scum like that should have been jailed for life long ago.

Again this is something that is wrong with the west in general.

Where do we start drawing the line? There should be no question just but them against the wall and shoot them in the head.

Essentially countries put the lives of these animals above those they kill.

11-10-2016 08:07PM

moc moc a moc wrote: »

Maybe because most people who are sentenced to a custodial sentence in Ireland are predisposed to crime to begin with?

OR

because those who actually get sentenced to a custodial sentence are already hardened criminals, having graduated through being actually caught and found guilty, and then working their way up through probation act, poor box, multiple suspended sentences, mini-sentences and finally getting caught and convicted of some heinous crime when their luck finally runs out.

If they got a proper sentence for their first serious crime (GBH, arson, burglary etc), then they might cop themselves on and at least they would be off the streets....

the_syco · 11-10-2016 09:11PM

MartyDublin wrote: »

I can see your a valued member of society.

No convictions, work full time, and volunteered at the weekends when I was in Ireland; yes, I suppose I am. Unlike the three scum who killed some innocent man, and will probably be out in 12 years time to attack more innocent people.

Unless someone takes a disliking to them.

MartyDublin · 11-10-2016 09:32PM

the_syco wrote: »

No convictions, work full time, and volunteered at the weekends when I was in Ireland; yes, I suppose I am. Unlike the three scum who killed some innocent man, and will probably be out in 12 years time to attack more innocent people.

Unless someone takes a disliking to them.

Out feeding the homeless i think

3 lowlifes get life for bashing a man to death.

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