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3 lowlifes get life for bashing a man to death.

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  • #62
    Haithabu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭Haithabu


    Kristopherus wrote: »
    3 lowlife scumbags
    eeguy wrote: »
    Scum like that
    Tombi! wrote: »
    these animals

    While I am shocked myself on the crime that has been committed, this is not the right wording.

    This will always create a situation like "us and them", "we are on one level, they are below us" or "you are not part of our society".

    It's hard to acknowledge but like that social rehabilitation will never work. It needs t be questioned why this did not work for those three and why they ended up murdering this poor man and bringing misery to everyone.


  • #63
    Haithabu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭Haithabu


    TeaBagMania wrote: »
    capital punishment should be reinstated
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Rope and Construction of gallows should be the taxpayers expense at this stage.
    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    I think a confined to a wheelchair level beating with his own baseball bat would be more fitting and cheaper
    We can be lucky that the death penalty was abolished. A looming death penalty would not have prevented this crime from happening.


  • #64
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Haithabu wrote: »
    A looming death penalty would not have prevented this crime from happening.

    It's quite possible it would .

    But then again nobody on here can say
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  • #65
    Haithabu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭Haithabu


    Gatling wrote: »
    It's quite possible it would .

    But then again nobody on here can say
    They were drunk and on cocaine. No chance they decided to murder him because the possible sentence is "only" life while they would have decided against a murder if the potential sentence would be "death".


  • #66
    cruizer101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭cruizer101


    Also part of the problem is their life in prison isn't even that bad. People like this who are not going to be rehabilitated should be given the bare minimum.
    The same meals day in day out, an hour or two of outside exercise, etc.


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  • #67
    kfallon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    They hopefully won't have drink or drugs in jail.

    Hopefully the only thing they'll have in there are 3 wide and bloodied arseholes!


  • #68
    mobby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭mobby


    Detective Garda Joseph Bradley today told the court that all three men had previous convictions. Matthew Cummins, he said, has 69, dating back to August 2008. The convictions range from arson to burglary, criminal damage, trespassing, public disorder and theft. In December 2014 he was sentenced to four years with two suspended for arson.

    For F**K sake... Cummins was sentenced in December 2014 to 4 years he should still be in Prison, two suspended for what? he has 69 previous! The judges involved here should be forced to explain they are getting away with murder. The Garda were doing their job getting the toerag to court and having him convicted 69 times but the "system" let him out to roam the streets. and as a result batter an old man to death. They are pure evil, there is no saving them.
    RIP Thomas Dooley


  • #69
    [Deleted User]
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    Haithabu wrote: »

    It's hard to acknowledge but like that social rehabilitation will never work. It needs t be questioned why this did not work for those three and why they ended up murdering this poor man and bringing misery to everyone.

    In the majority of cases it doesn't work. 'Rehabilitation' is just a politically correct myth.
    Some people need to be locked up for the good of society, not for rehabilitation, and its time that those in decision making positions in justice recognise this.


  • #70
    _Kaiser_
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    Our justice system is a joke. A revolving door of short or suspended sentences for serious crimes committed by low-lifes like these, and those at the other end of the scale who never see a courtroom in the first place.

    But what can you expect when the focus is on things like speeding tickets, TV license enforcement and other such important issues. :rolleyes:


  • #71
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Poor man :(


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  • #72
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    It’s often said that rehabilitation doesn’t work; that criminals will be criminals regardless of what we do to try and help them. But one Norwegian prison, on Bastoy Prison Island off the coast of Oslo Fjord, is proving that theory flatly wrong. Bastoy is famed for having an extremely relaxed atmosphere, where inmates are treated like human beings. The warden of Bastoy refers to the prison as a “small society” built on mutual respect. Bastoy’s inmates are treated as equals, and learn to respect themselves. The end result? Bastoy’s reconviction rate is an astonishing 16%, considerably lower than the European average of 70%, or America’s average of 77%.

    You might roll your eyes at this idea, but ask yourself this very important question before you dismiss the idea entirely: would you rather your tax money go toward the perpetual cycle of re-incarceration, just to further society’s grudge against convicted criminals? Or would you rather that tax money help rehabilitate those convicts, so they can get out of prison and contribute something of value to our society, cutting out their dependence on tax money entirely?

    That choice is yours, and as far as I can tell, it’s the only choice we can make. You’re either pro-punishment, or pro-rehabilitation. You can’t really be both.
    http://reverbpress.com/justice/want-prisons-punish-rehabilitate/


    Maybe it's time for a change of thinking as prison does not seem to be stopping or curtailing crimes.


  • #73
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    cruizer101 wrote: »
    Also part of the problem is their life in prison isn't even that bad. People like this who are not going to be rehabilitated should be given the bare minimum.
    The same meals day in day out, an hour or two of outside exercise, etc.

    I've worked with ex prisoners, even a few with murder convictions.
    Once they serve eight or ten years even less sometimes, they're institutionalized often with mental ill health , little or no skills, often homeless and with little chance of ever contributing to society.

    That's an illusion to say life in prison isn't to bad.


  • #74
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    The court also heard that Sean Davy and James Davy had penned apologies to Mr Dooley's family. Barrister for Sean Davy, Ronan Munro SC, said his client has thought long and hard about what happened. His letter acknowledged that he couldn't bring Mr Dooley back and added: "I'm sorry from the bottom of my heart."

    That should be viewed as harassment. The family should sue the solicitor for advising his scumbag clients to write such a letter. No one in their right mind would think reading a letter from a loved ones murderer would bring them any peace.


  • #75
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057333310


    For those who think or say our prisons are holiday homes etc etc have a read of above,it's a prison officers answering questions here on one the best forums on boards. :)


  • #76
    ThinkProgress
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    It's unlikely we'll see capital punishment brought back anytime soon... even just for crimes like these.

    But these guys should not be allowed to do easy time in prison. Fcuk their rights... we should bring in chain-gangs like they do in some states in the US.

    Prison life should be hard manual labor from dawn till dusk. And maybe throw in a few psychologist sessions, to attempt to rehabilitate them. (I'm not entirely convinced some people can be helped tbh)

    Breaking rocks down a quarry 12 hours a day, every day... people would then think twice before risking prison time!

    In our system, these guys will sit around watching TV and playing pool, while learning how to become even better criminals... Then when they come out in 7/8 years time, we'll have even more dangerous criminals on the street. :(


  • #77
    [Deleted User]
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    I've worked with ex prisoners, even a few with murder convictions.
    Once they serve eight or ten years even less sometimes, they're institutionalized often with mental ill health , little or no skills, often homeless and with little chance of ever contributing to society.

    I'd prefer have somebody like that than an active burglar and arsonist...


  • #78
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    It's unlikely we'll see capital punishment brought back anytime soon... even just for crimes like these.

    But these guys should not be allowed to do easy time in prison. Fcuk their rights... we should bring in chain-gangs like they do in some states in the US.

    Prison life should be hard manual labor from dawn till dusk. And maybe throw in a few psychologist sessions, to attempt to rehabilitate them. (I'm not entirely convinced some people can be helped tbh)

    Breaking rocks down a quarry 12 hours a day, every day... people would then think twice before risking prison time!

    In our system, these guys will sit around watching TV and playing pool, while learning how to become even better criminals... Then when they come out in 7/8 years time, we'll have even more dangerous criminals on the street. :(

    Not that's it's unlikely, years ago we had a constitutional referendum to prohibit it ever coming back.It's gone forever.

    No European country has it.. though I think we were the last to sentence someone to death in the 80s.


  • #79
    TheYardStick
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    Complete and utter wastes of life. Anyone who gets high off their heads and decides to kill another person with a baseball bat for absolutely no reason deserves to die horribly.


  • #80
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,202 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Haithabu wrote: »

    This will always create a situation like "us and them", "we are on one level, they are below us" or "you are not part of our society".

    They are not part of any society


  • #81
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,730 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    Breaking rocks down a quarry 12 hours a day, every day... people would then think twice before risking prison time!

    very unlikely to prevent people from committing crimes, some people have no fear of prison no matter what. unfortunately, its probably not possible to rehabilitate some people


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  • #82
    The flying mouse
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    I just like to say this my 1000th post, thank you.


  • #83
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    The flying mouse wrote: »
    I just like to say this my 1000th post, thank you.

    You get paroled now.


  • #84
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'd prefer have somebody like that than an active burglar and arsonist...

    Whether right or wrong the state still ends trying to look after these men and women after release .


  • #85
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    All the people calling for the death penalty are wrong IMO. Some ridiculous suggestions above.

    It costs more to actually administer it, than to keep them in prison. Also I'm not a major fan of state sanctioned murder as I like to think I live in a civilised country.

    luckily,you do live in such a Country...until, that is,you are unlucky enough to encounter any of the increasingly confident psychopathic individuals as are referenced in this thread.

    Once you do,your options are immediately limited..they will either summarily torture & slaughter you,or you will have a very lucky escape and have to live with the physical and psychological scars for the remainder of your life.

    Luckily for you,thus far,these options have always been experienced by others,but the numbers of such unfortunates have been increasing which makes your chances of experiencing this terror also greater.

    These,of course may well be ridiculous examples,which do not occur in our civilized Country,where everything is grand...just grand. :(


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #86
    JupiterKid
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    Complete and utter scum - life in prison should mean life.

    Death penalty is ALWAYS wrong.


  • #87
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Complete and utter scum - life in prison should mean life.

    Death penalty is ALWAYS wrong.

    14 years in prison.....Lives are cheap in this State....is there anything "wrong" with this ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #88
    JupiterKid
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    AlekSmart wrote: »
    14 years in prison.....Lives are cheap in this State....is there anything "wrong" with this ?

    Well, I believe that life imprisonment should mean the remainder of your natural life. Executing people does not belong to a civilised society and that's why we abolished it 50 years ago.

    These scum should suffer - but no one has the right to determine who lives or dies.


  • #89
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    luckily,you do live in such a Country...until, that is,you are unlucky enough to encounter any of the increasingly confident psychopathic individuals as are referenced in this thread.

    Once you do,your options are immediately limited..they will either summarily torture & slaughter you,or you will have a very lucky escape and have to live with the physical and psychological scars for the remainder of your life.

    Luckily for you,thus far,these options have always been experienced by others,but the numbers of such unfortunates have been increasing which makes your chances of experiencing this terror also greater.

    These,of course may well be ridiculous examples,which do not occur in our civilized Country,where everything is grand...just grand. :(

    Torture and slaughter me? Fookin hell.

    Alrighty I'm out.


  • #90
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Everything about this case was just horrible. Obviously the horrific crime itself, but also the circumstances around how the house was being used beforehand, the text from the cousin, the string of previous convictions. Everyone involved just seems awful.


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  • #91
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,730 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Yamileth Defeated Stabilizer wrote: »
    Everything about this case was just horrible. Obviously the horrific crime itself, but also the circumstances around how the house was being used beforehand, the text from the cousin, the string of previous convictions. Everyone involved just seems awful.

    this does seem like a very complicated case, filled with very complicated and disturbed people


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