[Deleted User] wrote: » Charter of human rights??? Tell that the judges in other countries where if a judge thinks you have a case to answer you can be kept in for up to two years while the investigation continues. No, its the Irish constitution and laws and more particularly how the judges have interpreted them.
tomofson wrote: » Why do you keep on bringing up the one case over and over again, the majority of prisoners would even despise that individual he is an extreme within the courts system.
HensVassal wrote: » The more you turn the screws the harder you make it for yourself. Starving prisoners and working them into the ground will only result in revolts and riots. Now I'm sure your answer to that will be dogs, baton charges, water cannon and solitary, but that just gives rise to a whole other set of problems and reactions. Next you'll be dealing with hungers strikes. Let a few prisoners starve to death and you'll be out one your ass and up in front of a tribunal post haste.
Deleted User wrote: » The problem about these guys is not that they are the low life or even that the murdered somebody. The real problem is that they were not locked up properly for their earlier crimes. Burglary and arson both merit decent jail times; multiple burglaries and arsons should have merited really substantial jail time... They should not have been out in society.
MartyDublin wrote: » Thats only in spain as it is not left with a judiciary but a magistrate to work out the charge.
[Deleted User] wrote: » No, Most of Europe and countries that follow the Napoleonic code is similar. Habeus corpus is an english common law concept.
JupiterKid wrote: » A lot of heat being generated on this thread but sadly not a lot of light.
MartyDublin wrote: » Im not aware of anyother coutries that issue this proceeding. Can you please direct me to it. I like to follow law and am interested
corner of hells wrote: » To actually serve anywhere near 8 to 10 years in Ireland means you had to have done something pretty bad. So fook them and I could say something about the ones championing them. What about the life sentences often being served by the REAL VICTIMS and REAL VICTIMS families. They don't end after 8 or 10 years like those of the scrots you are worried about.
Deleted User wrote: » Charter of human rights??? Tell that the judges in other countries where if a judge thinks you have a case to answer you can be kept in for up to two years while the investigation continues. No, its the Irish constitution and laws and more particularly how the judges have interpreted them.
HensVassal wrote: » Everyone is entitled to a speedy trial. Can you imagine you were completely innocent but left to languish in a cell for 2 years while a bunch of cops sat on their arses. When you eventually get out your life is fucked. Job gone, house repossessed because you couldn't make a payment from your jail cell, everything ruined.
MartyDublin wrote: » I'm not championing them , nor do I particularly worry about them. I work in an envoironment with ex prisoners , I certainly don't condone thier past behaviours . If you read my post its a response to another poster suggesting Irish prisoners have it easy. I also know very well if you serve eight plus years in Ireland it's not for fare evasion.
ThinkProgress wrote: » You're clutching at straws now... Show me where I said anything about starving anyone? I'm suggesting they should be worked relentlessly hard. They should be so physically and mentally exhausted, that they don't even have the energy to misbehave or play the system... No lounging about. No free time to use their clever criminal minds to think up criminal enterprises or ways to beat the system. They should be fed enough food to keep them going, but not enough for them to be carrying any weight... they should have access to proper medical care etc etc. Prison should be the hardest thing they've ever experienced, or are ever likely to experience... They should leave prison with a strong appreciation for their freedom. They should be terrified of re-offending and going back behind bars. And you can be damn sure they will tell all their other buddies about how miserable prison life is. "Rehabilitation" can take on many different forms... that's my version "rehabilitation"...
the_syco wrote: » What utter scum! Hope they meet untimely "accidents" upon their release.
HensVassal wrote: » When you mentioned the bare minimum of necessities I thought you were suggesting giving them enough food just to survive. What makes you think your great plan will work? And what will you do if they refuse to acqueisce to your slavery model? Do you plan to pay them for this "work"? What kind of work would you have them do? Meaningless, mundane, unnecessary crap or something they might actually take pride in?
HensVassal wrote: » More bullshit
Under Irish law, all inmates serving a life or a long term sentence can be considered for early release after seven years by the Parole Board, which advices the minister who makes the ultimate decision.
DrumSteve wrote: » Torture and slaughter me? Fookin hell. Alrighty I'm out.
Sharon, 30, was strangled by 28-year-old Hennessy before he started a fire in her home in Windgap, leaving the two girls to die from smoke inhalation. However his three life sentences run consecutively following an appeal.
HensVassal wrote: » FFS what is it with you and your rants about "left-leaning" this and "left-leaning" that? The damn death penalty isn't about right and left, it's about right and wrong. And please don't trot out the predictable "Oh I bet you suggest these three scumbags get counselling and hugs and a holiday!" ..... No I don't. I am happy to see them banged up for 30 years or more until they are the age of the man they killed. But barfing out inane platitudes like "they should be beaten to a pulp with bats and then set on fire, blah, blah, blah" is not big and it's not clever. It's stupid.If you would prefer we have kangaroo courts and showtrials and torture and summary executions etc., rather than due process then maybe you'd feel more at home in Uganda or Myanmar. I'm sick to the back teeth of locker-room politicians deriding the "looney-left" for all society's ills when the left wing are generally just people who are supporters of women's rights, minority rights, regulation and are not hypocrites...you know, people who actually engage their brains before opening their mouths.
“So on the day they get home, there should be a medical card there for them,” said Mr Donnellan. Earlier this year, a draft document on the development of the HSE’s centralised medical card unit said between 30,000 and 50,000 medical cards would be cut in 2016 due to more people getting a job, as well as reviews of eligibility and retention criteria. However, those cuts will not affect the prison population. Mr Donnellan said the need for medical cards for prisoners was a “huge issue, especially for people on methadone or on medication”. It would mean they now had the ability to access medication on leaving prison.
MartyDublin wrote: » While in cloverhill i seen a figure on an Red cross workshop that of all those that are sentenced to a custodial sentence in ireland 43% will refoffend. Some bloody rehabilitation.
tomofson wrote: » Of course you do your classism is evident in everything you say and do just like most people on boards
eeguy wrote: » 69 convictions, 7 convictions, 21 convictions. Scum like that should have been jailed for life long ago.
moc moc a moc wrote: » Maybe because most people who are sentenced to a custodial sentence in Ireland are predisposed to crime to begin with?
MartyDublin wrote: » I can see your a valued member of society.
the_syco wrote: » No convictions, work full time, and volunteered at the weekends when I was in Ireland; yes, I suppose I am. Unlike the three scum who killed some innocent man, and will probably be out in 12 years time to attack more innocent people. Unless someone takes a disliking to them.
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