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Wildcard Thread 2016/2017

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    I also have no problem with leaving points on the bench its a good sign. At the minute I don't have the budget for a strong front 8 and have capoue and another 4.5. My ideal scenario would be capoue as my cheapest player.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭iroced


    Your answers are about your playing philosophy. That's grant. But does it really work? Have you ever looked at it in detail? I sometimes have the feeling that you only look at the bright side of it. For example you cited Firmino & Eriksen. But you could have cited Lamela & Stones instead.

    As I said, I played like that for several seasons (3 and a half to 4 I'd say) before asking myself "what if I'm wrong?". I actually realised it 3 years ago during my best ever season. I was rotating GKs and tracked their record over the entire season (yeah the statistico site stole it from me :pac:). I found out I had almost as many benched GK points than actual GK pts. So I compared with going for a premium GK + Jaku style or even a non-playing second one and with a doubling on the same team (WB for example :p). And even accounting for a couple of -4s for changing the premium keeper when injured or the pairing when both got injured, both headaches-less options would have given me more points (enough to break into top 1k in that very season). Hence my questioning of the rotation philosophy. That said, maybe I'm just bad at it. Maybe I was unlucky for that very season. But maybe it doesn't work as well as we generally think it is...

    Last year, I made a big early mistake with not going for a long self-debated GW3 WC (diff was something like 30 pts in a single GW). So, it gave me the idea to track it. I mean to track my non early-WC team for about ... half the season when I started not to be a*sed anymore. Every single GW, I was kinda playing with my non-existing team, I followed its value, I non-made the transfers I'd have done, I non-selected the captains I'd have gone for, I'd non-counted the points I'd have scored etc... I really tried to be as honest as I could. I have no a priori bias towards any playing style. I, for example, did not non-transferred in players I'd have not thought about. I actually quickly ended up with a very lookalike team than my actual one.

    At some point I had a strong front 8 (pre, during and post Christmas up to about February). Something I couldn't have done with my non-early WC team bar taking significant pts hits (-8 min and for at least 1 player to be benched) which I assumed I'd have not done (I never did), particularly over Christmas. So I also compared the non-rotation style I'd have non-gone for. Result was rotation gave me less points. Team value was slightly better (though it was difficult to really compare since the early non-WC had already helped a lot my non-team). So, again, maybe I'm not good enough, maybe I was unlucky, maybe the sample size is too small, maybe whatever, but maybe it's not as efficient as we think it is?

    Because I have to admit that despite the frustration of big points on the bench from time to time, I genuinely thought it was working overall (e.g. had a couple of times players I'd have never owned in my non-existing team delivering big points). But you have to compare it as a whole and over time. e.g. If your fodder only came up with 2 pointers when needed, you also have to factor that for a period of time he may have allowed you KDB big hauls alongside Sanchez, Agüero and Kane for example.

    Anyway, I'm not definite on it despite these 2 negative experiences. And I guess I'm the only mad one to have tracked such things so I'm actually probably asking a question noone but me can answer :rolleyes: :pac:...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,515 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    iroced wrote: »
    Your answers are about your playing philosophy. That's grant. But does it really work? Have you ever looked at it in detail? I sometimes have the feeling that you only look at the bright side of it. For example you cited Firmino & Eriksen. But you could have cited Lamela & Stones instead.

    As I said, I played like that for several seasons (3 and a half to 4 I'd say) before asking myself "what if I'm wrong?". I actually realised it 3 years ago during my best ever season. I was rotating GKs and tracked their record over the entire season (yeah the statistico site stole it from me :pac:). I found out I had almost as many benched GK points than actual GK pts. So I compared with going for a premium GK + Jaku style or even a non-playing second one and with a doubling on the same team (WB for example :p). And even accounting for a couple of -4s for changing the premium keeper when injured or the pairing when both got injured, both headaches-less options would have given me more points (enough to break into top 1k in that very season). Hence my questioning of the rotation philosophy. That said, maybe I'm just bad at it. Maybe I was unlucky for that very season. But maybe it doesn't work as well as we generally think it is...

    Last year, I made a big early mistake with not going for a long self-debated GW3 WC (diff was something like 30 pts in a single GW). So, it gave me the idea to track it. I mean to track my non early-WC team for about ... half the season when I started not to be a*sed anymore. Every single GW, I was kinda playing with my non-existing team, I followed its value, I non-made the transfers I'd have done, I non-selected the captains I'd have gone for, I'd non-counted the points I'd have scored etc... I really tried to be as honest as I could. I have no a priori bias towards any playing style. I, for example, did not non-transferred in players I'd have not thought about. I actually quickly ended up with a very lookalike team than my actual one.

    At some point I had a strong front 8 (pre, during and post Christmas up to about February). Something I couldn't have done with my non-early WC team bar taking significant pts hits (-8 min and for at least 1 player to be benched) which I assumed I'd have not done (I never did), particularly over Christmas. So I also compared the non-rotation style I'd have non-gone for. Result was rotation gave me less points. Team value was slightly better (though it was difficult to really compare since the early non-WC had already helped a lot my non-team). So, again, maybe I'm not good enough, maybe I was unlucky, maybe the sample size is too small, maybe whatever, but maybe it's not as efficient as we think it is?

    Because I have to admit that despite the frustration of big points on the bench from time to time, I genuinely thought it was working overall (e.g. had a couple of times players I'd have never owned in my non-existing team delivering big points). But you have to compare it as a whole and over time. e.g. If your fodder only came up with 2 pointers when needed, you also have to factor that for a period of time he may have allowed you KDB big hauls alongside Sanchez, Agüero and Kane for example.

    Anyway, I'm not definite on it despite these 2 negative experiences. And I guess I'm the only mad one to have tracked such things so I'm actually probably asking a question noone but me can answer :rolleyes: :pac:...
    I'm glad I'm not the most addicted FPL player here then


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭Poker Face


    On a wildcard and would you go

    A) KDB, Chadli, Diomande
    B) Sterling, Fletcher, Lukaku

    Other front 5 are Firmino, Sanchez, Capoue, Costa and Aguero


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 TheDazzler


    Poker Face wrote: »
    On a wildcard and would you go

    A) KDB, Chadli, Diomande
    B) Sterling, Fletcher, Lukaku

    Other front 5 are Firmino, Sanchez, Capoue, Costa and Aguero

    B)
    I can see Sterling keeping pace with KDB or at least not losing by much as Lukaku will crush Chadli. Also Diomande could lose his spot (and probably will imo) to Mbokani.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭iroced


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    I'm glad I'm not the most addicted FPL player here then
    Ah yeah. I have my periods... (of addiction) :pac:.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    I have one ft and enough in the bank to do Kane to Aguero

    However I have no bench and have capoue as a starter. Also have Redmond who I'd like to get rid of. But is it worth wild card in get just go sort out bench + 1 starter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    redzerdrog wrote: »
    I have one ft and enough in the bank to do Kane to Aguero

    However I have no bench and have capoue as a starter. Also have Redmond who I'd like to get rid of. But is it worth wild card in get just go sort out bench + 1 starter
    You could probably reshuffle your team with either a -8 or doing -4 (two weeks in a row). It'll just require a bit of forward planning and budgeting.

    I would only wildcard if I was doing massive surgery on my team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    Think I am just going to get aguero in as planned and reassess after the weekend


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    It's active.

    First dilemma: Stones and Mane or Firmino and Kyle Walker?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,515 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Activated!

    Quite proud of myself for resisting to GW6.

    Currently looking at the bench fodder approach.....

    Foster (Jaku)
    Shaw - Baines - Lovren (Amat, Kingsley)
    Sanchez - Firmino - Capoue - Antonio (Fletcher)
    Augero - Costa - Lukaku

    May downgrade Baines if I can find somewhere better to invest the cash

    Already regretting the wildcard. Already missing Zlatan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    keano_afc wrote: »
    It's active.

    First dilemma: Stones and Mane or Firmino and Kyle Walker?
    I'd go with Firmino and Walker but Walker looks like his hamstring is about to go at any stage, i'd be a bit weary of bringing him in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭DarraghF197


    Poker Face wrote: »
    On a wildcard and would you go

    A) KDB, Chadli, Diomande
    B) Sterling, Fletcher, Lukaku

    Other front 5 are Firmino, Sanchez, Capoue, Costa and Aguero

    I would say B as well. I seem to be the only one wary of bringing Sterling into my team with the prospect of rotations for the League Cup and CL with so many attacking options. Although that threat reduced significantly with Nolito's red card at least for two PL games.

    On the Snodgrass/ Capoue debate - their fixtures run nicely togethor in that one player is playing a hard opposition at the same time the other has an easy fixture. If Capoue's form returns to few or no goals after a while (notably GW10 where fixtures become worse), I may have to sell him myself to tie up some cash so I'm not sure how it'll play out with Watford's luxurious fixtures.

    Haven't put too much thought into my 15 yet as I'm just logging in to catch rises but I might have something like this as my 8:

    Capoue Sterling (not keen on) Sanchez (also not keen on after selling him before his hauls) Snodgrass Antonio (would prefer something more adventurous like Lanzini though)
    Costa Aguero Lukaku


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭iroced


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    Activated!

    Quite proud of myself for resisting to GW6.

    Currently looking at the bench fodder approach.....

    Foster (Jaku)
    Shaw - Baines - Lovren (Amat, Kingsley)
    Sanchez - Firmino - Capoue - Antonio (Fletcher)
    Augero - Costa - Lukaku

    May downgrade Baines if I can find somewhere better to invest the cash

    Already regretting the wildcard. Already missing Zlatan
    Beware about Shaw.
    manual_man wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37408252

    Shaw set to have scan on a long-standing groin injury

    About Zlatan, heard Philippe Auclair (French journalist specialised on the PL) on French radio tonight and he said MU were a mess, the playing was slow (players control the ball, give it several touches before passing it), the players are kinda lost on the pitch, the tactical discipline is bad and they don't make the collective efforts for their play to develop (never Zlatan's strongest point anyway). I may change my mind on Zlatan then...

    On the other hand, he praised City, Everton, Liverpool and Arsenal for sequences of their playing at the week-end, saying they all play as a team with a good discipline, fast playing (one touch passing) with a will to go forward and outpace the opponent.
    On the Snodgrass/ Capoue debate - their fixtures run nicely togethor in that one player is playing a hard opposition at the same time the other has an easy fixture. If Capoue's form returns to few or no goals after a while (notably GW10 where fixtures become worse), I may have to sell him myself to tie up some cash so I'm not sure how it'll play out with Watford's luxurious fixtures.
    Capoue first 5 games were very tough too. Now, as FHFC pointed out, his conversion rate isn't sustainable but if he can maintain half of it or even a third of it, he'll still be a more than decent option.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭mcgettigan16


    Considering dropping Zlatan in my wildcard. Could go with something like this:

    Foster (Jakupovic)

    Valencia Baines Holebas (Friend) (Amat)

    Sanchez Payet Firmino Capoue (Fletcher)

    Aguero Lukaku Benteke


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    iroced wrote: »
    Capoue first 5 games were very tough too. Now, as FHFC pointed out, his conversion rate isn't sustainable but if he can maintain half of it or even a third of it, he'll still be a more than decent option.

    Capoue thing is really a freak.

    He touched the ball just 25 times in the opposition half vs United and only 1 time in the opposition penalty area - as he scored!!

    Compared to even Cazorla who had 87 opposition half touches with 3 in the box. Kolarov playing centre half for City had 40/3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭iroced


    FHFC wrote: »
    Capoue thing is really a freak.

    He touched the ball just 25 times in the opposition half vs United and only 1 time in the opposition penalty area - as he scored!!

    Compared to even Cazorla who had 87 opposition half touches with 3 in the box. Kolarov playing centre half for City had 40/3.
    I didn't see any of his goals nor any of Watford playing.

    How Capoue goals came? How does Watford play? Can there be an explanation to this insane record? I don't know... Are Watford playing counter-attack and is Capoue given total freedom (or even a central role) to participate in them such that when he gets into the opposition 18 yards, he's in a much more favourable position to score than most players (e.g. Cazorla & Kolarov who, playing in teams that control the ball and dictate the pace of the playing, find many defenders in the penalty area)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    iroced wrote: »
    I didn't see any of his goals nor any of Watford playing.

    How Capoue goals came? How does Watford play? Can there be an explanation to this insane record? I don't know... Are Watford playing counter-attack and is Capoue given total freedom (or even a central role) to participate in them such that when he gets into the opposition 18 yards, he's in a much more favourable position to score than most players (e.g. Cazorla & Kolarov who, playing in teams that control the ball and dictate the pace of the playing, find many defenders in the penalty area)?

    Capoue and Pereyra have a lot of license to get forward. Behrami is the only holding midfielder - him and the 3 central defenders are basically the defensive element of the team - everyone else has a lot of license to get forward when Watford have possession. That said, we should expect Capoue's conversion rate to fall and him not to keep scoring at the same rate - it just makes sense :pac::pac: But obviously with his price and his more forward position this season and Watford in good goalscoring form, he's going in to alot of fantasy teams. The issue may be when his hot streak ends, do people persist with him? For how long? And quite a few seeming to be going with him + another cheapie mid like Fletcher, so it at some stage they want to sell Capoue, they may well need an extra transfer to find a suitable replacement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭mectavba


    My wildcard team this morning looks like this:

    Foster (Jaku)

    Walker, Holebas, JAgielka, Friend, Amat

    Puncheon, Capoue, Firmino, Sanchez, Snodgrass

    Aguero, Ibra, Benteke

    Fairly happy at the moment with two things nagging at me:

    1) No Chelsea

    2) Two Palace players

    On Capoue, I think his form and price combo makes him a no brainer for those of us on WCs (and maybe others). Throw in the fact they have nice fixtures coming up and I think he is essential. If his form dips, he is my cheapest mid and sits on the bench.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭OneColdHand


    mectavba wrote: »
    My wildcard team this morning looks like this:

    Foster (Jaku)

    Walker, Holebas, JAgielka, Friend, Amat

    Puncheon, Capoue, Firmino, Sanchez, Snodgrass

    Aguero, Ibra, Benteke

    Fairly happy at the moment with two things nagging at me:

    1) No Chelsea

    2) Two Palace players

    On Capoue, I think his form and price combo makes him a no brainer for those of us on WCs (and maybe others). Throw in the fact they have nice fixtures coming up and I think he is essential. If his form dips, he is my cheapest mid and sits on the bench.

    3) No City midfielders?!

    I'm only pointing this out, as I'm also WCing, and am thinking of going without any City mids also - so glad to see someone else is too!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Considering dropping Zlatan in my wildcard. Could go with something like this:

    Foster (Jakupovic)

    Valencia Baines Holebas (Friend) (Amat)

    Sanchez Payet Firmino Capoue (Fletcher)

    Aguero Lukaku Benteke

    Similar to myself, and I dropped Ibra too. I have City coverage in the middle though instead of Payet. Just cant ignore them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,279 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    keano_afc wrote: »
    It's active.

    First dilemma: Stones and Mane or Firmino and Kyle Walker?

    I'd go with Firmino and an Everton defender rather than Walker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    I'd go with Firmino and an Everton defender rather than Walker.

    I already have Ashley Williams.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭mectavba


    mectavba wrote: »
    My wildcard team this morning looks like this:

    Foster (Jaku)

    Walker, Holebas, JAgielka, Friend, Amat

    Puncheon, Capoue, Firmino, Sanchez, Snodgrass

    Aguero, Ibra, Benteke

    Fairly happy at the moment with two things nagging at me:

    1) No Chelsea

    2) Two Palace players

    On Capoue, I think his form and price combo makes him a no brainer for those of us on WCs (and maybe others). Throw in the fact they have nice fixtures coming up and I think he is essential. If his form dips, he is my cheapest mid and sits on the bench.

    3) No City midfielders?!

    I'm only pointing this out, as I'm also WCing, and am thinking of going without any City mids also - so glad to see someone else is too!

    To get a City midfielder would mean sacrificing Sanchez or Firmino, leaving me with no Arsenal/Liverpool. There are also rotation concerns with the City mids, plus I have Aguero who will hopefully mop up a lot of points on days City are really in form.

    Of course, I am open to the likes of KDB, Sterling coming back to bite me in the ass, but for now I am happy to diversify my attack. If it continues to look like it is essential to have Aguero + 1 City, I will most likely downgrade Ibra and upgrade one of my cheapies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭mcgettigan16


    Any love for Walcott as an alternative to Sanchez in a wildcard squad? Seems to be nailed on for now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭mectavba


    When Walcott seems nailed on is when he is most likely to break your heart! I think Giroud/Perez will eventually be worked into the first team, with Sanchez pushed into a wide position and Walcott (at best) being a rotation risk.

    From what I have seen of Arsenal, Iwobi looks a better prospect, but too much of a risk in fantasy terms.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    mectavba wrote: »
    When Walcott seems nailed on is when he is most likely to break your heart! I think Giroud/Perez will eventually be worked into the first team, with Sanchez pushed into a wide position and Walcott (at best) being a rotation risk.

    From what I have seen of Arsenal, Iwobi looks a better prospect, but too much of a risk in fantasy terms.
    Ramsey has more or less always played when fit also. He could very easily take Walcott's position also. It seems Wenger is looking to turn Sanchez into a striker which if this is true would give Walcott one less option to compete with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Adam1100


    Played my wildcard after a bad week. Would like some opinions on my squad.

    Foster, Jaku.

    Amat, Valencia, Baines, McAuley, Holebas.

    KDB, Pereyra, Lallana, Antonio, Barry.

    Costa Lukaku Aguero.

    Bit worried over Pereyra and Lallana but they have decent fixtures ahead and could grab a goal or two, but could be a total failure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Manutd_4life


    2.5m ITB. Where do I go from here????

    https://gyazo.com/b9ea02b2e0b54a0c5c3118cd2e683d7a


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭bezuaua


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    Any considerations on my latest WC attempt?


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