Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

pedigree 6 · 10-09-2016 12:57PM

The Great Escape is on rte1 now.

Keepgrowing · 10-09-2016 01:12PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Firstly, I totally agree about the ability of dairy farmers to moan, and yes the French dairy farmers would have to be world champions at it.

Secondly, I just can't agree on the line about there being only 4 million people to consume the Irish dairy product.
Local can become global quite easily, especially when you have the provenance that the Irish family farm has. Think Irish whiskey...started local, now global.
I don't think that the consumer is demanding more milk powder, or maybe I'm wrong?

The consumer is now turning into the prosumer...the prosumer will want to watch live feed of the cows in the sheds/fields/ milking parlor at any time they want. The dairy industry that latches onto the eco/soil/animal friendly brand will steal a march on the competition.

I know that ye think I'm crazy, but I'll bet that the industry that opens its doors via live feed 24/7, will open the purse of the end user.
This idea is already being floated by processors here. My crowd make baby formula for the Chinese market and they are actively looking for farmers to participate...

Mahoney's right. Fighting over scraps every time of a little crisis is not a good plan going forward.

Big market out there. Aim for the top end consumer....or just moan.

I was thinking good point till you came to whiskey, grain guys doing fair well out of that.

Take hi end elements and market it, dry and bag what's left and get off the island ASAP. With seasonal production that's the reality.

yosemitesam1 · 10-09-2016 01:19PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Take hi end elements and market it, dry and bag what's left and get off the island ASAP. With seasonal production that's the reality.

What high end products have we?

Saw iberian ham for sale today in the supermarket 85/kg...

kowtow · 10-09-2016 01:45PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote:

Apparently, we have to wait for the area manager to fill out the form with us.

I think I'm beginning to understand the election results in Kerry.

kowtow · 10-09-2016 01:46PM

yosemitesam1 wrote:

Saw iberian ham for sale today in the supermarket 85/kg...

Jamberico mmmmmmm

Injuryprone · 10-09-2016 02:02PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Well he's a fair genius mj. The literature is ambiguous at best. You have to apply twice. Once to join the scheme and a second time for payment. Yourself and injuryprone would really want to get down off yerselves. Neither of you have provided a link to anything that confirms your posts.

Every detail I've posted is in the following dafm document. I had thought everyone would've got a copy of it in the post

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingsectors/dairy/voluntarysupplymanagementschemeforthedairysector/VOLUNTARY%20SUPPLY%20MANAGEMENT%20SCHEME%20FAQ.pdf

Buford T. Justice XIX · 10-09-2016 02:12PM

kowtow wrote: »

I think I'm beginning to understand the election results in Kerry.

That puts you in a group of one because I doubt anyone else can understand it:(

freedominacup · 10-09-2016 04:18PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Firstly, I totally agree about the ability of dairy farmers to moan, and yes the French dairy farmers would have to be world champions at it.

Secondly, I just can't agree on the line about there being only 4 million people to consume the Irish dairy product.
Local can become global quite easily, especially when you have the provenance that the Irish family farm has. Think Irish whiskey...started local, now global.
I don't think that the consumer is demanding more milk powder, or maybe I'm wrong?

The consumer is now turning into the prosumer...the prosumer will want to watch live feed of the cows in the sheds/fields/ milking parlor at any time they want. The dairy industry that latches onto the eco/soil/animal friendly brand will steal a march on the competition.

I know that ye think I'm crazy, but I'll bet that the industry that opens its doors via live feed 24/7, will open the purse of the end user.
This idea is already being floated by processors here. My crowd make baby formula for the Chinese market and they are actively looking for farmers to participate...

Mahoney's right. Fighting over scraps every time of a little crisis is not a good plan going forward.

Big market out there. Aim for the top end consumer....or just moan.

The only negative thread I've seen on kerrygold was centred on the fact that our cows are getting in fw terms a tiny fraction of their diet from gm sources. If we were looking at a usp for our farm produce it should be that we move to gm free. I used to think it was too difficult logistically but now I think it would be worth it. We would take a performance hit but not that huge a one. We should be emphasizing using native grains with as much synergy as possible between livestock and tillage sectors. A real all island approach.

Dawggone · 10-09-2016 04:57PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

whiskey, grain guys doing fair well out of that.

Take hi end elements and market it, dry and bag what's left and get off the island ASAP. With seasonal production that's the reality.

You've been misinformed on the malt growers margins...grossly. Milk at present prices is a much better earner.

Seasonal production was a major bugbear of the milk industry before the Kiwi magic formula of milk powder manufacturing. The Kiwis now openly admit to the mistake of following that line...

Dawggone · 10-09-2016 04:59PM

kowtow wrote: »

Jamberico mmmmmmm

Pata Negra!
Absolutely fantastic.

Keepgrowing · 10-09-2016 05:14PM

Dawggone wrote: »

You've been misinformed on the malt growers margins...grossly. Milk at present prices is a much better earner.

Seasonal production was a major bugbear of the milk industry before the Kiwi magic formula of milk powder manufacturing. The Kiwis now openly admit to the mistake of following that line...

I can only assume you're deliberately missing the point???

You post of whiskey being the great international market success, I mention how well (NOT) grain farmers are doing and you then repeat what we already know. Try to keep a line of thought.

You still haven't addressed Shyte caked?? Actually it's ok, don't bother

Mooooo · 10-09-2016 05:29PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Keepgrowing wrote: »

whiskey, grain guys doing fair well out of that.

Take hi end elements and market it, dry and bag what's left and get off the island ASAP. With seasonal production that's the reality.

You've been misinformed on the malt growers margins...grossly. Milk at present prices is a much better earner.

Seasonal production was a major bugbear of the milk industry before the Kiwi magic formula of milk powder manufacturing. The Kiwis now openly admit to the mistake of following that line...

I'd say that's what he meant that the grain man isn't getting the return from the whiskey industry. Yes we Should look at higher value products But this will push us towards a higher cost base also as these will also be exported it's not going to increase our resistance to the price drop globally. . We need to market the image we have better and perhaps as free says go gm free on inputs but it's not as straight forward for the exporter as for those with the large domestic consumer

Waffletraktor · 10-09-2016 05:33PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

You post of whiskey being the great international market success, I mention how well (NOT) grain farmers are doing and you then repeat what we already know.

World stock are record highs for feed grains, you need to highest quality as thats what everyone else is aiming for unless its RR Corn. Quality is hard in ireland, though if you can get beans to yield with less pests about in ireland Beans for h/c puts everything in a hapenny place net margin wise.

Dawggone · 10-09-2016 05:42PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

I can only assume you're deliberately missing the point???

You post of whiskey being the great international market success, I mention how well (NOT) grain farmers are doing and you then repeat what we already know. Try to keep a line of thought.

You still haven't addressed Shyte caked?? Actually it's ok, don't bother

Ok.
If...and I say if, the future marketing of high end dairy products is going to involve live streaming of milking etc...it's not going to look good to see shyte caked cows being milked. I've commented on this every single time there has been footage of cows being milked. ETTG and the UTV farming programme (whose name escapes me) are both guilty of this, including RTÉ
news.
If you're pitching a high end product to a rich first world consumer (prosumer), things like cleanliness, animal husbandry etc are important.
But then they mightn't care in Nigeria...

mahoney_j · 10-09-2016 05:50PM

Injuryprone wrote: »

Every detail I've posted is in the following dafm document. I had thought everyone would've got a copy of it in the post

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingsectors/dairy/voluntarysupplymanagementschemeforthedairysector/VOLUNTARY%20SUPPLY%20MANAGEMENT%20SCHEME%20FAQ.pdf

I'm away for weekend ,not disputing your link but my source who I won't reveal here has a significant post further up the line ,he may be talking ****e but that's my take

Dawggone · 10-09-2016 05:51PM

freedominacup wrote: »

The only negative thread I've seen on kerrygold was centred on the fact that our cows are getting in fw terms a tiny fraction of their diet from gm sources. If we were looking at a usp for our farm produce it should be that we move to gm free. I used to think it was too difficult logistically but now I think it would be worth it. We would take a performance hit but not that huge a one. We should be emphasizing using native grains with as much synergy as possible between livestock and tillage sectors. A real all island approach.

+1.
Bang on.
I would add that there are also other issues that need to be addressed. The overuse of chemical fert, carbon sequestration, biodiversity etc etc.

The majority of the Irish green image is already in the head of the rich consumer...should be easy enough to take it into the 21st century.

Mooooo · 10-09-2016 05:58PM

Dawggone wrote: »

freedominacup wrote: »

The only negative thread I've seen on kerrygold was centred on the fact that our cows are getting in fw terms a tiny fraction of their diet from gm sources. If we were looking at a usp for our farm produce it should be that we move to gm free. I used to think it was too difficult logistically but now I think it would be worth it. We would take a performance hit but not that huge a one. We should be emphasizing using native grains with as much synergy as possible between livestock and tillage sectors. A real all island approach.

+1.
Bang on.
I would add that there are also other issues that need to be addressed. The overuse of chemical fert, carbon sequestration, biodiversity etc etc.

The majority of the Irish green image is already in the head of the rich consumer...should be easy enough to take it into the 21st century.

Chemical fertiliser overuse would imply water quality issues, AFAIK I don't think that is a major issue here.

Dawggone · 10-09-2016 06:02PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Chemical fertiliser overuse would imply water quality issues, AFAIK I don't think that is a major issue here.

I never implied that there's water quality issues.
Think Iberico ham...

Edit.
The industry needs to produce to the demands of the consumer. It's not enough to say that you produce to the regulations from Brussels.

freedominacup · 10-09-2016 06:03PM

Dawggone wrote: »

+1.
Bang on.
I would add that there are also other issues that need to be addressed. The overuse of chemical fert, carbon sequestration, biodiversity etc etc.

The majority of the Irish green image is already in the head of the rich consumer...should be easy enough to take it into the 21st century.

The chemical fert usage overall here is tiny dawg. Across the industry we'd easily be under French limits. Definitely not individually but our national usage is a lot lower than you think. 50-60 units would be the outside of it.

Dawggone · 10-09-2016 06:21PM

freedominacup wrote: »

The chemical fert usage overall here is tiny dawg. Across the industry we'd easily be under French limits. Definitely not individually but our national usage is a lot lower than you think. 50-60 units would be the outside of it.

Iberico ham (sorry!)has on farm inspections regularly...a full inventory of fert/pesticide/medicine usage etc.

Lamping underused mountainy land into your fert usage land base isn't going to fool an educated consumer.

See I'm not saying that Ireland should/must go down this road...I'm just suggesting another route. I'm probably one of the oldest posters here, the younger posters should be much more ambitious and forward seeing, not towing the Ag industry line...there must be another Dr. Tony O Reilly out there. I wouldn't be depending on the Gov. Teagasc or the processors for guidance.

freedominacup · 10-09-2016 06:27PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Iberico ham (sorry!)has on farm inspections regularly...a full inventory of fert/pesticide/medicine usage etc.

Lamping underused mountainy land into your fert usage land base isn't going to fool an educated consumer.

See I'm not saying that Ireland should/must go down this road...I'm just suggesting another route. I'm probably one of the oldest posters here, the younger posters should be much more ambitious and forward seeing, not towing the Ag industry line...there must be another Dr. Tony O Reilly out there. I wouldn't be depending on the Gov. Teagasc or the processors for guidance.

I didn't. There's more than enough underused lowland. The full inventory stuff wouldn't be any stretch here at this stage. Getting the correct results could be another thing.

Dawggone · 10-09-2016 06:36PM

freedominacup wrote: »

I didn't. There's more than enough underused lowland. The full inventory stuff wouldn't be any stretch here at this stage. Getting the correct results could be another thing.

Lol.
Very easy to mix up fert and feed...:)

Mooooo · 10-09-2016 07:23PM

Grazing the furthest away fields on farm they cross the road on to farm roadway and cross another road to it. Turning em in theres always 2 wagons that decide to stop halfway on the roadway the dickheads. Slow them down coming in no end as they are bad enough to leave the field

kevthegaff · 10-09-2016 07:57PM

freedominacup wrote:

The chemical fert usage overall here is tiny dawg. Across the industry we'd easily be under French limits. Definitely not individually but our national usage is a lot lower than you think. 50-60 units would be the outside of it.

I thought we were one of highest in EU maybe I'm wrong

Buford T. Justice XIX · 10-09-2016 08:09PM

Waffletraktor wrote: »

World stock are record highs for feed grains, you need to highest quality as thats what everyone else is aiming for unless its RR Corn. Quality is hard in ireland, though if you can get beans to yield with less pests about in ireland Beans for h/c puts everything in a hapenny place net margin wise.

There is a bit of movement on an all Irish coarse ration containing barley and beans which should be widely available this winter for something like 180 /t, iirc.

kevthegaff wrote: »

I thought we were one of highest in EU maybe I'm wrong

Jaysus, no. The whole country is in a Nitrates Vulnerable Zone, meaning we have strict limits on chemical fertiliser quantities compared to other countries which only have relatively small areas in NVZ. Outside NVZs, you can basically spread as much as you want.

Keepgrowing · 11-09-2016 07:18AM

Shyte caked cows

alps · 11-09-2016 08:07AM

Mooooo wrote: »

Chemical fertiliser overuse would imply water quality issues, AFAIK I don't think that is a major issue here.

Chemical overuse may not be showing up in water quality but may be be causing issues with clinical and sub clinical issues with cow health....I feel some herds are poisoned with overuse of fertiliser, particularly in spring as herds follow advisory applications..

RightTurnClyde · 11-09-2016 08:08AM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Shyte caked cows

Tail docking.... Tut tut

Keepgrowing · 11-09-2016 08:15AM

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Tail docking.... Tut tut

2 cows pic'd have docked tails, both have had 7 calves so was legal at that time. No tails docked here since ban

zetorman · 11-09-2016 08:29AM

Anyone thinking of going for this offer. ? Am I reading it right ? 14c per litre (or is it Kg) but you can only reduce by 50% of what you supplied during Oct Nov & Dec last year. Did any of ye read the small print ?
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