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Keepgrowing

trixi2011 wrote: »

Spot milk price hitting 38p a litre in the UK today . If many people avail of the reduction scheme prices are are really going to spike

Was over there yesterday. Jesus those totally confined hi input hi input are on their knees. 25p per litre required to cover feed and labour costs. Losing £25 per cow per month. Multiply that by 7/800 cows and it's a haemorrhage.

This crap about feed being cheap means feck all. It's their capital payments and low price that's killing them.

freedominacup

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Was over there yesterday. Jesus those totally confined hi input hi input are on their knees. 25p per litre required to cover feed and labour costs. Losing £25 per cow per month. Multiply that by 7/800 cows and it's a haemorrhage.

This crap about feed being cheap means feck all. It's their capital payments and low price that's killing them.

There's only so much byproduct available after that their feed costs wouldn't be much lower than ours in the UK.

atlantic mist

just looking over the form for reduction scheme,

is there no penalty for applying and not availing of scheme?

mahoney_j

atlantic mist wrote: »

just looking over the form for reduction scheme,

is there no penalty for applying and not availing of scheme?

No only an earful from injury prone !!!!

jack o shea

Lads i know this is not the thread for it but does anyone know if that acid that used be used on silage years ago can still be got? Water pressure is gone to **** here say I may pull up the pump out of well and pump the acid through or has anyone any other advise?

whelan2

jack o shea wrote: »

Lads i know this is not the thread for it but does anyone know if that acid that used be used on silage years ago can still be got? Water pressure is gone to **** here say I may pull up the pump out of well and pump the acid through or has anyone any other advise?

:eek: pull up the pump it might be blocked. What would you be putting acid through the system for. We pulled ours up a while back , pump was blocked, got new pump and got well flushed out

Buford T. Justice XIX

jack o shea wrote: »

Lads i know this is not the thread for it but does anyone know if that acid that used be used on silage years ago can still be got? Water pressure is gone to **** here say I may pull up the pump out of well and pump the acid through or has anyone any other advise?

Is there much lime in your water?

jack o shea

Whelan, I remember years ago the acid was used to wash out the line it was blocked with brown stuff think copper, water then pumped through to wash it out.

jack o shea

Burford t, ye the water would be fairly limey.

whelan2

jack o shea wrote: »

Burford t, ye the water would be fairly limey.

When did you last lift the pump?

OverRide

jack o shea wrote: »

Lads i know this is not the thread for it but does anyone know if that acid that used be used on silage years ago can still be got? Water pressure is gone to **** here say I may pull up the pump out of well and pump the acid through or has anyone any other advise?

As whelan said,get someone reliable local out to it
It's probably blocked
Do not put stuff on it that you would not drink
Worst case scenario , the well is going dry
A pump should be pulled up at least once a year anyway and looked at or cleaned as necessary
The pressure switch might be blocked with silt too which is going to burn out your motor if not serviced

blue5000

jack o shea wrote: »

Whelan, I remember years ago the acid was used to wash out the line it was blocked with brown stuff think copper, water then pumped through to wash it out.

I'd say that was iron, when the water hits the air the dissolved iron is oxidised and turns to iron oxide or rust. Forms a sort of a jelly at the pump.

jack o shea

Thanks for responses lads, il get someone who knows what there at to do it so.whelan I don't know when last lifted, I was away only took over last couple of years, I'd say over 5 years anyway.

trixi2011

Keepgrowing wrote: »

trixi2011 wrote: »

Spot milk price hitting 38p a litre in the UK today . If many people avail of the reduction scheme prices are are really going to spike

Was over there yesterday. Jesus those totally confined hi input hi input are on their knees. 25p per litre required to cover feed and labour costs. Losing 25 per cow per month. Multiply that by 7/800 cows and it's a haemorrhage.

This crap about feed being cheap means feck all. It's their capital payments and low price that's killing them.

Even some of the block calving herds are suffering over here at this stage depending on milk contracts. This will be the second full season of low prices in the UK And has finished quite a few lads off. Digesters are pushing feed prices up in this area with availability of byproduct s non existent at this stage.

Dawggone

Jayzz.
After reading this thread I'm not that convinced about the future of dairy without handouts.



The fighting talk of just a few months ago is gone from you. Lads/Lassies, if you've got a premium product, go out there and sell it.
It's rather sad that a little (slightly political) scheme from Brussels can make ye fight amongst each other over the titbits, like a plane crash in the Andes...
I'm tired (covered a few pits today), but I'm sure that better will come... Before the genuflection to the Kiwi system of 'get rich quick', Teagasc were promoting an even supply of product throughout the year, so that processors could produce a product that could actually be sold to a consumer...but that's history.

Now I'm told we've got prosumers.

Fine. Welcome on board. If those prosumers want to see my cows being milked etc...I've nothing to hide. They certainly won't be caked in shyte...

Open for business...not fighting for scraps.

jaymla627

Dawggone wrote: »

Jayzz.
After reading this thread I'm not that convinced about the future of dairy without handouts.



The fighting talk of just a few months ago is gone from you. Lads/Lassies, if you've got a premium product, go out there and sell it.
It's rather sad that a little (slightly political) scheme from Brussels can make ye fight amongst each other over the titbits, like a plane crash in the Andes...
I'm tired (covered a few pits today), but I'm sure that better will come... Before the genuflection to the Kiwi system of 'get rich quick', Teagasc were promoting an even supply of product throughout the year, so that processors could produce a product that could actually be sold to a consumer...but that's history.

Now I'm told we've got prosumers.

Fine. Welcome on board. If those prosumers want to see my cows being milked etc...I've nothing to hide. They certainly won't be caked in shyte...

Open for business...not fighting for scraps.

Don't worry dawg theirs still lads ploughing ahead, local parlour guy has 10 new ones booked in for this winter and I can reel of 8-10 guys locally that's are dropping 150 k plus on new sheds/parlours....
Spent the day here hanging out of a chainsaw, after a good 10 hours work in between milking the ladies had 400 euro banked, sad thing is this will go towards subbing the dairying side of things here, this dairying lark is becoming a expensive hobby for us at the minute, a lad with brians would pull the plug and have a easy life haha

Keepgrowing

Dawggone wrote: »

Jayzz.
After reading this thread I'm not that convinced about the future of dairy without handouts.



The fighting talk of just a few months ago is gone from you. Lads/Lassies, if you've got a premium product, go out there and sell it.
It's rather sad that a little (slightly political) scheme from Brussels can make ye fight amongst each other over the titbits, like a plane crash in the Andes...
I'm tired (covered a few pits today), but I'm sure that better will come... Before the genuflection to the Kiwi system of 'get rich quick', Teagasc were promoting an even supply of product throughout the year, so that processors could produce a product that could actually be sold to a consumer...but that's history.

Now I'm told we've got prosumers.

Fine. Welcome on board. If those prosumers want to see my cows being milked etc...I've nothing to hide. They certainly won't be caked in shyte...

Open for business...not fighting for scraps.

Did you bang your head or were you drinking?

Fighting for scraps ......Andes........caked in shyte.......open for business

Will you go and have a lie down.

Never wrestle with pigs

Lol

Geuze

I am not a farmer, just an observer.

Would it be fair to summarise the challenge facing Irish dairy farmers as:

We are producing a world-class product, to multiple high standards, yet we are being paid a commodity price for that product.

freedominacup

Geuze wrote: »

I am not a farmer, just an observer.

Would it be fair to summarise the challenge facing Irish dairy farmers as:

We are producing a world-class product, to multiple high standards, yet we are being paid a commodity price for that product.

Nailed it in one. Also true for beef. It looks like we may have weathered the worst of this downturn but the crisis has been wasted.

Dawggone

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Did you bang your head or were you drinking?

Fighting for scraps ......Andes........caked in shyte.......open for business

Will you go and have a lie down.

Hmmm.

Did I touch a sensitive spot?

The crap that some posters got for saying that they were going to apply for the maximum amount of litres of a scheme that is nothing short of bloody favouritism....at the end of the day it's only 14cpl.
At 24cpl I'm not interested.
Speaks volumes....

C0N0R

If you apply for the scheme to put the processors under pressure to increase the price, and they don't increase the price and you don't reduce supply does that then show the processors that you will make idle threats but still supply milk??

kevthegaff

Is it not a no brainer 24c or is it beneath you, I thought u always d&dived. Holy er than dawg:-) considering it myself but reckon I'll only end up with an index finger mmm

yosemitesam1

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Don't worry dawg theirs still lads ploughing ahead, local parlour guy has 10 new ones booked in for this winter and I can reel of 8-10 guys locally that's are dropping 150 k plus on new sheds/parlours....
Spent the day here hanging out of a chainsaw, after a good 10 hours work in between milking the ladies had 400 euro banked, sad thing is this will go towards subbing the dairying side of things here, this dairying lark is becoming a expensive hobby for us at the minute, a lad with brians would pull the plug and have a easy life haha[/quote]

There's plenty of lads like that around here too, new entrants and established. With the talk out of them and willingness to spend money you would swear that dairy was going to be guaranteed money over next few years...

mahoney_j

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

There's plenty of lads like that around here too, new entrants and established. With the talk out of them and willingness to spend money you would swear that dairy was going to be guaranteed money over next few years...

Maby they've just well thought out plans in place to deal with volatility ,we wanted quotas gone and exposure to world markets.this is reality and ongoing volatility is reality ,we can't expect multiple handouts every time the criap hits the fan

Dawggone

kevthegaff wrote: »

Is it not a no brainer 24c or is it beneath you, I thought u always d&dived. Holy er than dawg:-) considering it myself but reckon I'll only end up with an index finger mmm

I doesn't suit me Kev.
My single biggest cost is staff.
The scheme is just a dalliance from Brussels to an industry that is waking up to senior hurling.
Truth be told I am duckin and diving...I'm gambling on a temporary rise in price (spot price reflects this), and therefore I want to be in a position to profit.
That's all.

Dawggone

mahoney_j wrote: »

Maby they've just well thought out plans in place to deal with volatility ,we wanted quotas gone and exposure to world markets.this is reality and ongoing volatility is reality ,we can't expect multiple handouts every time the criap hits the fan

+1.

Keepgrowing

Dawggone wrote: »

I doesn't suit me Kev.
My single biggest cost is staff.
The scheme is just a dalliance from Brussels to an industry that is waking up to senior hurling.
Truth be told I am duckin and diving...I'm gambling on a temporary rise in price (spot price reflects this), and therefore I want to be in a position to profit.
That's all.

That's it in a nutshell. A farmer must position themselves to bank €250 per cow when price rises. That's how to insulate oneself from price movements.

Milk the cows and manage cash, simple as that.

pedigree 6

mahoney_j wrote: »

Maby they've just well thought out plans in place to deal with volatility ,we wanted quotas gone and exposure to world markets.this is reality and ongoing volatility is reality ,we can't expect multiple handouts every time the criap hits the fan

Now we are getting somewhere. End this sfp crap. Enough of these whiny jumped up pompous a holes complaining the whole time and driving bmw's at the same time. We shouldn't be getting government handouts.
The biggest whingers usually have the biggest farms. You'd think they were on the poverty line.

The same for everyone. Zero.

Keepgrowing

Dawggone wrote: »

Hmmm.

Did I touch a sensitive spot?

The crap that some posters got for saying that they were going to apply for the maximum amount of litres of a scheme that is nothing short of bloody favouritism....at the end of the day it's only 14cpl.
At 24cpl I'm not interested.
Speaks volumes....

Caked in shyte.... Fighting for scraps.... Open for business
Wtf are you on about.
You have no idea how professional most farmers are here.

The discussion was not about the scheme but about applying with no intention of reducing volume just to give the co op a fright.......now that's plain waste of time.

Your neighbours are getting 28c I believe to do phuck all yet they'll be tipping dung an roundabouts the first frosty morning or if the bakery opens late for them.

Irish dairy farmers took whinging to a new level this year but are only in the junior league compared to the French ones. Hosted 2 French groups last year and again this year and they could make cribbing an Olympic sport, rot my whole listening to them but I collected my €400 and shut my ears.

This scheme suits someone easing back or a winter guy changing to spring production or a very inefficient supplier who will not make the 14c over variable costs. Fixed costs won't change.

This is designed for Northern Europe where the cost of feed is crippling them. I was on an 800 cow farm in the UK this week who can't stop pumping litres despite the fact that he's losing £20k cash per month. He can't stop because of debt. In fact he needs to drop 250 cows out of his system and take this money.

Irish dairy farming will be fine so long as we realise that it's about removing as much of the valuable proteins, cheese and bagging the rest to get it out of here as soon as possible. This notion of tiny outfits adding value to every component of every litre and selling it locally cannot work as we only have 4m mouths here and are already over 50% on the way to harvest 2020 targets