Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

wonderfullife · 07-09-2016 07:25PM

darced wrote: »

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LOL @ Darced sneaking that in there.

Funny. Nobody has ever voiced that concern because nobody had a clue what gas tank he actually had pre-USADA, nevermind post-USADA.

He had ONE 3-Round fight before the USADA era.

ONE! And he lay on top of Max for chunks of that fight after busting his leg up.

Thinly veiled Conor hate as usual.

The other 2 things you mentioned - there's evidence for both incidents actually happening. They aren't rumours. It's how you interpret them. Ian Kidd (who i dislike) wrote a great science based piece explaining how & why Robbies testosterone level was the way it was.

TimRiggins · 07-09-2016 08:05PM

So Conor and Nate broke the all time UFC PPV buyrate. Until the 3rd fight anyway.

newbbieb · 07-09-2016 08:36PM

darced wrote: »

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Well we never seen Conors pre USADA gas tank as pretty much every fight ended in round 1,also i don't think any knowledgable person suspects Conor.

But the nature of PEDS being so hard to detect(they come up with new undetectable ones every day)that people are always gonna be asking questions given how much an advantage is gained from them so its the way it is.

Also i think the Aldo one is extremely suspect and personally although its not popular i always suspected Lawlor having followed him from the start of his career i was amazed people werent asking questions based simply off performances.

Mellor · 08-09-2016 12:52AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Of course, it's been said many times that under the new ownership, they might be far more commercial-minded and that Dana White may have less influence than before - but is this actually the case?

The new owners are paying Dana a lot of money to keep Dana in the role. They wouldn't do that if they weren't happy to let him continue with business as usual. Dana's power came from being president, he's still the president. He only holds a token stake in Zuffa, not a controlling share. He may even still hold some share. The Ferditta were the owners and could have overruled him just as easily as the new owners.

mdwexford · 08-09-2016 01:38PM

Mellor wrote: »

The new owners are paying Dana a lot of money to keep Dana in the role. They wouldn't do that if they weren't happy to let him continue with business as usual. Dana's power came from being president, he's still the president. He only holds a token stake in Zuffa, not a controlling share. He may even still hold some share. The Ferditta were the owners and could have overruled him just as easily as the new owners.

Being childhood friends of the Fertittas though it's likely their long term relationship made it easier to talk to each other and agree on things/reach compromises.

Might not neccesarily be the case now.

All speculation of course and we all could be spouting out of our arse as no one really has a clue.

newbbieb · 08-09-2016 05:16PM

mdwexford wrote: »

Being childhood friends of the Fertittas though it's likely their long term relationship made it easier to talk to each other and agree on things/reach compromises.

Might not neccesarily be the case now.

All speculation of course and we all could be spouting out of our arse as no one really has a clue.

But the first test was when GSP tried to go over Dana's Head to speak to the new owners and they ignored him,that was them giving Dana their backing and i would fully expect them to be 100 percent behind anything Dana does,they definitely won't wanna show any cracks in the relationship and if there is any friction it will be ironed out behind closed doors.

wonderfullife · 08-09-2016 06:25PM

Interesting how this plays out.

Conor CLEARLY wants to headline MSG. It's history making.

The UFC know Conor wants it badly.

So it's an interesting leverage battle going on here over this FW belt.

On the one hand, the UFC have shown a willingness to pull Conor from big cards. On the other hand, Conor has shown he brings in ridiculous PPV numbers and they might want to make a really BIG statement by trying to stack Conor on this card and surpass 2 million PPV buys under new owners.

It's all a game of chicken now over the belt. The money isn't an issue. They paid him $3 million disclosed for 202, so i highly doubt they're having a problem agreeeing to paying him $4 million for 205.

All comes down to the belt now.

StringerBell · 08-09-2016 10:58PM

I'm not sure what they could do with the card to make it a 2m buy event as of right now. Be a tough ask, I think it may be a little further down the line before that number is hit.

202 was the 5th PPV (over the last 12 months!) with over a million buys wasn't it? Really staking its claim as the number 1 combat sport. Still quite the difference in money for the top guys but the gap will continue to close, and rightly so with the entertainment on offer these days. Remember reading an article earlier saying there have only been 5 boxing PPV's in history that have done more then 202, obviously time is a factor in that but it is clear which sport is thriving.

Mellor · 09-09-2016 03:26AM

Conor's medical suspension is a bigger obstacle for MSG imo

TimRiggins · 09-09-2016 04:45AM

Mellor wrote: »

Conor's medical suspension is a bigger obstacle for MSG imo

Was only until he got his foot cleared.

StringerBell · 09-09-2016 10:04AM

Aldo now claiming he and Conor have a pretty friendly relationship, not friends, but cordial and nice unless the cameras are around. Then Conor turns on the persona.

He says he wishes more FW's were like him, that he is a good guy

They have a friendly rivalry and its only when the cameras are on him that he makes you go "Son of a bitch!" but he understands he is promoting himself and has no problem with it.

After everything that has gone on I did get a chuckle reading it, signs are that Conor is going to defend against him before going for a unification belt.

Dana is not backing down according to reports, still plenty to run in this one by the looks of it. Absolutely no outcome would come as a surprise.

newbbieb · 09-09-2016 10:37AM

StringerBell wrote: »

Aldo now claiming he and Conor have a pretty friendly relationship, not friends, but cordial and nice unless the cameras are around. Then Conor turns on the persona.

He says he wishes more FW's were like him, that he is a good guy They have a friendly rivalry and its only when the cameras are on him that he makes you go "Son of a bitch!" but he understands he is promoting himself and has no problem with it.

After everything that has gone on I did get a chuckle reading it, signs are that Conor is going to defend against him before going for a unification belt.

Dana is not backing down according to reports, still plenty to run in this one by the looks of it. Absolutely no outcome would come as a surprise.

Was surprised by what Aldo said its hard to figure him out at all,at times he seemed so bitter,here he seems to be trying to appear to be more accepting of Conors antics but still doesn't come across great.

rob316 · 09-09-2016 10:48AM

Don't think UFC are looking at the bigger picture by getting him to defend the FW belt at 205, in terms of promotion.

If he fights Aldo and loses, 2 defeats in 3 is really going to hurt their top draw. Any chance Conor had at the LW belt would be gone for a while and he would have to compete in the FW division again.

09-09-2016 10:55AM

rob316 wrote: »

Don't think UFC are looking at the bigger picture by getting him to defend the FW belt at 205, in terms of promotion.

If he fights Aldo and loses, 2 defeats in 3 is really going to hurt their top draw. Any chance Conor had at the LW belt would be gone for a while and he would have to compete in the FW division again.

Not really IMO, if Conor fought and lost to Aldo I could see him having one fight at LW before a title shot. If he got that and won the belt it sets up a trilogy fight with Aldo and also still has the chance at holding two belts. Also the trilogy fight with Nate is in there so I don't see Conor losing his drawing power.

Of course this all if's and buts.

Letree · 09-09-2016 10:57AM

Listening to Werdum at the press conference last night talking about how important the belt was to him was a good reminder of what the UFC was supposed to be about. I think Dana realises he needs to be careful about the belts losing importance. A few fighters have said they aren't bothered so much about the belts. That is not good for the UFC in the long run. Maybe Dana and the new owners are looking to legitimize the belts a bit more and making Conor defend his is a good place to get back on track for the UFC. They may lose money in the short term but the owners paid 4 billion so they will be interested in the long term.

Outlaw Pete · 09-09-2016 11:29AM

Aldo saying that makes me think that perhaps he has got the nod from UFC that Conor has agreed to fight him, either next fight or the one after.

Huge pay day for him. Easily be the biggest of his career, unless he managed to beat McGregor and set up a future trilogy bout with him also.

Highly doubt that though but guess you never know.

Awesomeness · 09-09-2016 12:28PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Aldo saying that makes me think that perhaps he has got the nod from UFC that Conor has agreed to fight him, either next fight or the one after.

Huge pay day for him. Easily be the biggest of his career, unless he managed to beat McGregor and set up a future trilogy bout with him also.

Highly doubt that though but guess you never know.

I would love to see conor hold the 2 belts but the belts have to matter for the legitimacy of the sport.

I want fighers to get paid better but winning a fight like diaz is not the same as winning a belt. In a football analagy would you rather beat barca on a 1 off or win the league.

For the belts to matter conor has to defend or vacate

hatrickpatrick · 09-09-2016 01:32PM

Mellor wrote: »

Conor's medical suspension is a bigger obstacle for MSG imo

TimRiggins wrote: »

Was only until he got his foot cleared.

So he and his team say, but has he got it cleared? And the mandatory no contact training until mid-October is a bigger problem IMO, especially if he's being asked to cut down to FW. That contact ban remains in place regardless of whether he gets medically cleared before then or not as far as I know, it's an absolute thing once it's in place.

hatrickpatrick · 09-09-2016 01:34PM

StringerBell wrote: »

Aldo now claiming he and Conor have a pretty friendly relationship, not friends, but cordial and nice unless the cameras are around. Then Conor turns on the persona.

Seems to be the same with all of Conor's opponents - did you see the video of him telling Diaz they'd had a fantastic fight and that he was an absolute warrior right after 202 ended?

Not too surprising if a lot of the bitter rivalry stuff is showmanship. He clearly enjoys that aspect of it, whether it's exaggerated or not.

09-09-2016 04:01PM

seems logical considering he likes vince McMahon and mentions him as a cool business man

Mcmahon hates anyone to even see supposed enemies in the ring, share a laugh behind closed doors, it keeps the whole act going and ads suspense.

on that basis it's a good idea, builds fight to an amazing degree of anticipation.

wonderfullife · 09-09-2016 05:16PM

Kavanagh gave an interview saying it's neck and neck between Aldo and Alvarez (both for UFC 205) and that talks are ongoing.

He also stated if it's Conor v Eddie, the UFC are stripping the belt.

moneyman · 09-09-2016 07:32PM

Anyone see what Manny said about Conor? Fairly obvious but at least he was honest. He'd fight Conor if it was boxing rules, but not in MMA. His words "How can you fight a shark in the ocean? But if you fight him on dry land...".

He basically laughed off the idea of Conor vs Floyd, as he should. That fight would be great for Conor in terms of money, he'd easily earn 30 million. But it would end as soon as Floyd wanted it to, and Floyd doesn't have much power, especially not these days. But he would end it at his own choice.

Anyone, this discussion isn't that relevant, just happened to see a clip of Manny and thought it was a good analogy.

H8GHOTI · 09-09-2016 09:21PM

John Kavanagh on Late Late tonight.

cloudatlas · 09-09-2016 11:32PM

moneyman wrote: »

Anyone see what Manny said about Conor? Fairly obvious but at least he was honest. He'd fight Conor if it was boxing rules, but not in MMA. His words "How can you fight a shark in the ocean? But if you fight him on dry land...".

He basically laughed off the idea of Conor vs Floyd, as he should. That fight would be great for Conor in terms of money, he'd easily earn 30 million. But it would end as soon as Floyd wanted it to, and Floyd doesn't have much power, especially not these days. But he would end it at his own choice.

Anyone, this discussion isn't that relevant, just happened to see a clip of Manny and thought it was a good analogy.

Meh who cares what a homophobic tool has to say about a fantasy fight, he needs to get a life.

c montgomery · 09-09-2016 11:54PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Meh who cares what a homophobic tool has to say about a fantasy fight, he needs to get a life.

Who cares what anybody thinks of anything ?

cletus · 10-09-2016 09:32AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

moneyman wrote: »

Anyone see what Manny said about Conor? Fairly obvious but at least he was honest. He'd fight Conor if it was boxing rules, but not in MMA. His words "How can you fight a shark in the ocean? But if you fight him on dry land...".

He basically laughed off the idea of Conor vs Floyd, as he should. That fight would be great for Conor in terms of money, he'd easily earn 30 million. But it would end as soon as Floyd wanted it to, and Floyd doesn't have much power, especially not these days. But he would end it at his own choice.

Anyone, this discussion isn't that relevant, just happened to see a clip of Manny and thought it was a good analogy.

Meh who cares what a homophobic tool has to say about a fantasy fight, he needs to get a life.

But he wasn't asked about homosexuality, he was asked about face punching, and then a poster shared his comments on a face punching forum.

Should nobody ever ask Manny any questions on anything ever again because he expressed ultra conservative views on sexuality?

hatrickpatrick · 10-09-2016 03:40PM

I honestly think the most likely scenario here is, Conor takes on Alvarez, vacates his FW belt temporarily, then if he beats Alvarez he will go back to FW in February for the potential two belts at once shot. I honestly don't see him taking the Aldo fight for 205 - and I highly doubt that the UFC really wants him to either. It would mean that in all of 2016 he's only faced two opponents - no matter what way you look at it, that's a drag for general MMA fans who aren't necessarily McGregor specific fanatics. They want to see something fresh, not another rematch for the main event.

If he does that, and Aldo wins the FW belt in the meantime, it means that a McGregor-Aldo rematch becomes more exciting since McGregor will be fighting to reclaim the belt and not just hold on to it.

McGregor pretty much has to be on UFC 205 now that GSP has been ruled out and Cerrone vs Lawlor seems to have fallen apart. Cerrone still wants to fight so another opponent will surely be found for him, but all the same after so many rumours about the UFC 205 main event, options seem to be drying up pretty fast. Gives McGregor at least somewhat more leverage over who he gets to fight.

rob316 · 10-09-2016 04:35PM

Could we hear something announced tonight? It's only like 9 or 10 weeks away.

BOHtox · 10-09-2016 04:36PM

9 weeks today, aye

cloudatlas · 10-09-2016 05:30PM

cletus wrote: »

But he wasn't asked about homosexuality, he was asked about face punching, and then a poster shared his comments on a face punching forum.

Should nobody ever ask Manny any questions on anything ever again because he expressed ultra conservative views on sexuality?

No but I don't like him so I'm going to state my opinion. Sorry about that. "ultra conservative views on sexuality?" Also interesting that you couldn't say homophobia.

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