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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

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The last thread was nearing the 10k post limit so here's part 2.

The same rules as the last thread apply here. People seem to have strong opinions either way when it comes to McGregor and threads here tend to get a bit heated from time to time. Please keep it civil and discuss all things Conor in a mature way.
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H8GHOTI

John Kavanagh on Late Late tonight.

moneyman

Anyone see what Manny said about Conor? Fairly obvious but at least he was honest. He'd fight Conor if it was boxing rules, but not in MMA. His words "How can you fight a shark in the ocean? But if you fight him on dry land...".

He basically laughed off the idea of Conor vs Floyd, as he should. That fight would be great for Conor in terms of money, he'd easily earn 30 million. But it would end as soon as Floyd wanted it to, and Floyd doesn't have much power, especially not these days. But he would end it at his own choice.

Anyone, this discussion isn't that relevant, just happened to see a clip of Manny and thought it was a good analogy.

wonderfullife

Kavanagh gave an interview saying it's neck and neck between Aldo and Alvarez (both for UFC 205) and that talks are ongoing.

He also stated if it's Conor v Eddie, the UFC are stripping the belt.

[Deleted User]

seems logical considering he likes vince McMahon and mentions him as a cool business man

Mcmahon hates anyone to even see supposed enemies in the ring, share a laugh behind closed doors, it keeps the whole act going and ads suspense.

on that basis it's a good idea, builds fight to an amazing degree of anticipation.

hatrickpatrick

StringerBell wrote: »

Aldo now claiming he and Conor have a pretty friendly relationship, not friends, but cordial and nice unless the cameras are around. Then Conor turns on the persona.

Seems to be the same with all of Conor's opponents - did you see the video of him telling Diaz they'd had a fantastic fight and that he was an absolute warrior right after 202 ended?

Not too surprising if a lot of the bitter rivalry stuff is showmanship. He clearly enjoys that aspect of it, whether it's exaggerated or not.

hatrickpatrick

Mellor wrote: »

Conor's medical suspension is a bigger obstacle for MSG imo

TimRiggins wrote: »

Was only until he got his foot cleared.

So he and his team say, but has he got it cleared? And the mandatory no contact training until mid-October is a bigger problem IMO, especially if he's being asked to cut down to FW. That contact ban remains in place regardless of whether he gets medically cleared before then or not as far as I know, it's an absolute thing once it's in place.

Awesomeness

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Aldo saying that makes me think that perhaps he has got the nod from UFC that Conor has agreed to fight him, either next fight or the one after.

Huge pay day for him. Easily be the biggest of his career, unless he managed to beat McGregor and set up a future trilogy bout with him also.

Highly doubt that though but guess you never know.

I would love to see conor hold the 2 belts but the belts have to matter for the legitimacy of the sport.

I want fighers to get paid better but winning a fight like diaz is not the same as winning a belt. In a football analagy would you rather beat barca on a 1 off or win the league.

For the belts to matter conor has to defend or vacate

Outlaw Pete

Aldo saying that makes me think that perhaps he has got the nod from UFC that Conor has agreed to fight him, either next fight or the one after.

Huge pay day for him. Easily be the biggest of his career, unless he managed to beat McGregor and set up a future trilogy bout with him also.

Highly doubt that though but guess you never know.

Letree

Listening to Werdum at the press conference last night talking about how important the belt was to him was a good reminder of what the UFC was supposed to be about. I think Dana realises he needs to be careful about the belts losing importance. A few fighters have said they aren't bothered so much about the belts. That is not good for the UFC in the long run. Maybe Dana and the new owners are looking to legitimize the belts a bit more and making Conor defend his is a good place to get back on track for the UFC. They may lose money in the short term but the owners paid 4 billion so they will be interested in the long term.

[Deleted User]

rob316 wrote: »

Don't think UFC are looking at the bigger picture by getting him to defend the FW belt at 205, in terms of promotion.

If he fights Aldo and loses, 2 defeats in 3 is really going to hurt their top draw. Any chance Conor had at the LW belt would be gone for a while and he would have to compete in the FW division again.

Not really IMO, if Conor fought and lost to Aldo I could see him having one fight at LW before a title shot. If he got that and won the belt it sets up a trilogy fight with Aldo and also still has the chance at holding two belts. Also the trilogy fight with Nate is in there so I don't see Conor losing his drawing power.

Of course this all if's and buts.

rob316

Don't think UFC are looking at the bigger picture by getting him to defend the FW belt at 205, in terms of promotion.

If he fights Aldo and loses, 2 defeats in 3 is really going to hurt their top draw. Any chance Conor had at the LW belt would be gone for a while and he would have to compete in the FW division again.

newbbieb

StringerBell wrote: »

Aldo now claiming he and Conor have a pretty friendly relationship, not friends, but cordial and nice unless the cameras are around. Then Conor turns on the persona.

He says he wishes more FW's were like him, that he is a good guy They have a friendly rivalry and its only when the cameras are on him that he makes you go "Son of a bitch!" but he understands he is promoting himself and has no problem with it.

After everything that has gone on I did get a chuckle reading it, signs are that Conor is going to defend against him before going for a unification belt.

Dana is not backing down according to reports, still plenty to run in this one by the looks of it. Absolutely no outcome would come as a surprise.

Was surprised by what Aldo said its hard to figure him out at all,at times he seemed so bitter,here he seems to be trying to appear to be more accepting of Conors antics but still doesn't come across great.

StringerBell

Aldo now claiming he and Conor have a pretty friendly relationship, not friends, but cordial and nice unless the cameras are around. Then Conor turns on the persona.

He says he wishes more FW's were like him, that he is a good guy

They have a friendly rivalry and its only when the cameras are on him that he makes you go "Son of a bitch!" but he understands he is promoting himself and has no problem with it.

After everything that has gone on I did get a chuckle reading it, signs are that Conor is going to defend against him before going for a unification belt.

Dana is not backing down according to reports, still plenty to run in this one by the looks of it. Absolutely no outcome would come as a surprise.

TimRiggins

Mellor wrote: »

Conor's medical suspension is a bigger obstacle for MSG imo

Was only until he got his foot cleared.

Mellor

Conor's medical suspension is a bigger obstacle for MSG imo

StringerBell

I'm not sure what they could do with the card to make it a 2m buy event as of right now. Be a tough ask, I think it may be a little further down the line before that number is hit.

202 was the 5th PPV (over the last 12 months!) with over a million buys wasn't it? Really staking its claim as the number 1 combat sport. Still quite the difference in money for the top guys but the gap will continue to close, and rightly so with the entertainment on offer these days. Remember reading an article earlier saying there have only been 5 boxing PPV's in history that have done more then 202, obviously time is a factor in that but it is clear which sport is thriving.

wonderfullife

Interesting how this plays out.

Conor CLEARLY wants to headline MSG. It's history making.

The UFC know Conor wants it badly.

So it's an interesting leverage battle going on here over this FW belt.

On the one hand, the UFC have shown a willingness to pull Conor from big cards. On the other hand, Conor has shown he brings in ridiculous PPV numbers and they might want to make a really BIG statement by trying to stack Conor on this card and surpass 2 million PPV buys under new owners.

It's all a game of chicken now over the belt. The money isn't an issue. They paid him $3 million disclosed for 202, so i highly doubt they're having a problem agreeeing to paying him $4 million for 205.

All comes down to the belt now.

newbbieb

mdwexford wrote: »

Being childhood friends of the Fertittas though it's likely their long term relationship made it easier to talk to each other and agree on things/reach compromises.

Might not neccesarily be the case now.

All speculation of course and we all could be spouting out of our arse as no one really has a clue.

But the first test was when GSP tried to go over Dana's Head to speak to the new owners and they ignored him,that was them giving Dana their backing and i would fully expect them to be 100 percent behind anything Dana does,they definitely won't wanna show any cracks in the relationship and if there is any friction it will be ironed out behind closed doors.

mdwexford

Mellor wrote: »

The new owners are paying Dana a lot of money to keep Dana in the role. They wouldn't do that if they weren't happy to let him continue with business as usual. Dana's power came from being president, he's still the president. He only holds a token stake in Zuffa, not a controlling share. He may even still hold some share. The Ferditta were the owners and could have overruled him just as easily as the new owners.

Being childhood friends of the Fertittas though it's likely their long term relationship made it easier to talk to each other and agree on things/reach compromises.

Might not neccesarily be the case now.

All speculation of course and we all could be spouting out of our arse as no one really has a clue.

Mellor

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Of course, it's been said many times that under the new ownership, they might be far more commercial-minded and that Dana White may have less influence than before - but is this actually the case?

The new owners are paying Dana a lot of money to keep Dana in the role. They wouldn't do that if they weren't happy to let him continue with business as usual. Dana's power came from being president, he's still the president. He only holds a token stake in Zuffa, not a controlling share. He may even still hold some share. The Ferditta were the owners and could have overruled him just as easily as the new owners.

newbbieb

darced wrote: »

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Well we never seen Conors pre USADA gas tank as pretty much every fight ended in round 1,also i don't think any knowledgable person suspects Conor.

But the nature of PEDS being so hard to detect(they come up with new undetectable ones every day)that people are always gonna be asking questions given how much an advantage is gained from them so its the way it is.

Also i think the Aldo one is extremely suspect and personally although its not popular i always suspected Lawlor having followed him from the start of his career i was amazed people werent asking questions based simply off performances.

TimRiggins

So Conor and Nate broke the all time UFC PPV buyrate. Until the 3rd fight anyway.

wonderfullife

darced wrote: »

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LOL @ Darced sneaking that in there.

Funny. Nobody has ever voiced that concern because nobody had a clue what gas tank he actually had pre-USADA, nevermind post-USADA.

He had ONE 3-Round fight before the USADA era.

ONE! And he lay on top of Max for chunks of that fight after busting his leg up.

Thinly veiled Conor hate as usual.

The other 2 things you mentioned - there's evidence for both incidents actually happening. They aren't rumours. It's how you interpret them. Ian Kidd (who i dislike) wrote a great science based piece explaining how & why Robbies testosterone level was the way it was.

BOHtox

joshrogan wrote: »

Just meant that a potential 145/155 superfight is off the cards if McGregor loses to Aldo, PPV #s wise no one will buy it whereas if McGregor fights Alvarez first he's guaranteed 2 massive pay days for himself and the UFC.

If Aldo beats McGregor what's to stop Aldo fighting Alvarez to hold both belts at once?

finglashoop

If conor is stripped fights alvarez and goes back to fight aldo may be the easiest route. Cant see him giving it up and be surprised if dana backs down.

Either way he can fight both in any order and if he wins both he has two belts

darced

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Billy86

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

StringerBell wrote: »

Pulling out of what?

Easy to throw mud on twitter, not even being specific like. Reeks of ITK click-bait bollix

I see, he means title defences in general. Aldo was one of the most active champs in the UFC right up until he had a bad run of injuries dropping his average FPY.

Dunno why we need to knock one to build another up

I hope he's full of sh!t on this one tbh. Unsubstantiated rumours of shenanigans get old very fast in any sport, and I certainly don't want to see a fighter like Aldo's image getting destroyed.

Seems to me that ever since Lance Armstrong's fall from grace a few years ago, everything from scraps in school playgrounds to choosing the next pope is mired by doping allegations. :pac:

And only right too, given how much efforts people (both those involved in the doping and fans alike) have gone out of their way to pretend it isn't rife in most if not all competitive sports. Just look at soccer, especially Spain where a judge demanded that all the blood samples found in the cycling case that were for other sports be destroyed immediately before they could be looked at.

hatrickpatrick

wonderfullife wrote: »

you can't compare Youtube comment section "nate won 1,2,3,4,5 conor McTapper ran the whole fight" and "Lord Conor McGoat sees stiffness" to a guy on twitter who CORRECTLY scooped big fight announcements before the mainstream MMA media.

It's incomparable.

The fact he gets cited by the Mainstream MMA media shows he's at least somewhat credible.

Doesn't mean everything he says is gospel but it's not a comparable thing to Youtube comments.

I'm not criticising his fight predictions, I'm just saying that I'm personally fed up with seeing people making thinly veiled doping / other shenanigans allegations without substantiating them. It's reached epidemic proportions since Armstrong, literally every major sporting event seems to be hit by allegations - without proof or evidence ever being provided - of doping, match fixing, bribery, etc etc etc.

Maybe this kind of stuff is genuinely just rife in competitive sport these days, but you'd think if it was that people would be able to provide some sort of citation to back up their comments. Take the Conlon fight in the Olympics for instance - that had actual evidence to suggest that the result was dodgy, from many boxing experts weighing in on it to the fact that Nikitin was too banged up to compete in his next fight.

What I'm getting sick of is the "I supposedly know something, so I'm going to vaguely allude to it without anything to back up my comments, and let the internet rumour mill put the pieces together" stuff. It's happening in sport all over the place at this stage.

wonderfullife

JJayoo wrote: »

About as legit as reading through YouTube comments, why post this rubbish?

you can't compare Youtube comment section "nate won 1,2,3,4,5 conor McTapper ran the whole fight" and "Lord Conor McGoat sees stiffness" to a guy on twitter who CORRECTLY scooped big fight announcements before the mainstream MMA media.

It's incomparable.

The fact he gets cited by the Mainstream MMA media shows he's at least somewhat credible.

Doesn't mean everything he says is gospel but it's not a comparable thing to Youtube comments.

hatrickpatrick

I'm not saying it's surprising, I'm just saying that unsubstantiated rumours in sport are becoming a real bore. If he has evidence, then come out and say it - otherwise stop spreading rumours just to stir sh!t up.

It's not that I believe there were shenanigans one way or another, I'm just sick of the "nudge nudge wink" stuff going on across the sporting world when it comes to tweets like this. If you've got an allegation to make, come out and make it - dancing around it to deliberately stir up speculation is pathetic.

And yes, I do realise that I have unwittingly contributed to that by responding to the tweets in this thread :pac: