Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

thesultan · 30-08-2016 05:05PM

Many of the far west used to go to colmans not anymore(no bus).

robopaddy2 · 31-08-2016 12:32AM

thesultan wrote: »

Many of the far west used to go to colmans not anymore(no bus).

It used to be a good nursery for hurlers in the far west at a time when the underage structures in the county were poor. The likes of Stephen Molumphy, Eoin Murphy, Aiden Kearney and James Murray all broke through having won Harty and Croke cups with Colman's. Denis Ring used to head-hunt kids from catchment areas in Cork, Waterford and Limerick. Since he's moved to Blackwater he seems to be trying shift some of that pulling power back to west Waterford.

mickotallow · 31-08-2016 10:25AM

Giveitfong wrote: »

I was at the games in Fraher Field. Dungarvan romped to a very easy (4-27 to 0-19) win over a game but very limited Ballyduff Upper side. Dungarvan are a very skillful side who can do this to teams who don't put it up to them, although things might be different where they have to fight for every ball. The Curran brothers (minus the injured Cathal) in particular have great mutual understanding and scored 3-16 between them, with Patrick the star of the show with a total of 3-7 (3-4 from play). The latest Curran, John, togged out at wing back and was very effective (I think he might be a minor again next year). Ryan Donnelly had an excellent second half and racked up 1-5. Kieran Power was very strong at centre back and the other wing back, Kenny Moore, hurled a lot of ball. Darragh Lyons limped off towards the end, but hopefully it is nothing serious. Eoghan Murray (0-8, 3 from play) was Ballyduff's leading scorer and could be a useful addition to next year's county under 21 team.

Abbeyside should have won the second game by about 20 points but, as has become familiar to their long-suffering supporters (if they have any left) actually managed to lose it in the closing minutes. Playing very confident and smooth hurling, they were 0-11 to 0-2 up after 15 minutes and it looked like being as one-sided as the first game. Then, possibly presuming they had the game won, their concentration went and their standards dropped, leading to one of the most error-strewn senior hurling games I have ever seen. Two misplaced passes by Conor Prunty gifted Tallow two points, while goalkeeper Stephen Enright dropped a high ball into the square which a Tallow corner forward finished to the net. Enright did the same in the second half, conceding a converted 65. Tallow did up their game considerably and were just one point behind at half time, 0-12 to 1-8.

I would say that Abbeyside had 70% of the play in the second half, with their defence totally in control of a weak Tallow attack, but their own forwards just couldn't score, due to a combination of poor shooting, terrible decision-making, a long series of basic errors and one brilliant save by the Tallow goalkeeper, Brian Henley. Despite this, Abbeyside were still four points ahead (thanks to a well-taken Mark Ferncombe penalty), 1-16 to 1-12, with about two minutes left. Then Tallow corner back and captain Mark O'Brien came up the field to land an excellent point. A minute later Tallow got a free about 50 metres out on the right near the sideline. Although Ryan Gray had been their normal freetaker, Tommy Ryan came out to take this one. He played a ball across field to the inrushing James Murray who buried the ball in the net from 30 metres.

A draw would still have been enough to qualify Abbeyside for the quarter finals, but further disaster followed. From the puckout Tallow again gained possession, and, typical of Abbeyside's legendary ill-discipline, one of their players was needlessly fouled out on the left sideline near the halfway line. Up stepped Ryan Gray to send a marvellous effort over the bar for the winning score, with the game finishing on the puckout.

For Abbeyside, Mark Ferncombe had an excellent game (1-9, 3 from play) before going off, apparently injured, late in the game. Maurice Power gave a powerful defensive performance in the second half while county minor Neil Montgomery also caught the eye with a skillful and hard working performance, including two nice points from play.

Yes Tallow started poorly but powered into the game after they got their first goal. Which isn't a rare occurrence in a game of hurling, where a goal has changed many a game. If Tallow had been as poor as you make out surely one goal would not have meant we went in at half time just one point down and level at the start of the second half.
Yes Abbeyside took a 4 point lead again towards the end of the game but credit has to be given to this Tallow team for their never say die spirit to eek out a vital win. Didn't hear anyone say KK were lucky when they came back from a 5point deficit against Waterford, only plaudits about how KK are never beaten. This late comeback is not a one-off for this Tallow team. Last year we got a last minute goal against DLS and a late rally also beat Dungarvan in the quarter finals. A good sign of any team, that they keep going for the 60/65 mins of any game.
For Tallow, our goalkeeper SHAUN O'SULLIVAN had a great game. Our full back line of Mark & David O'Brien and Ken Kearney put in a good shift. Especially David who shipped two very heavy challenges to the head which surely should have been dealt more severely by the ref. Tommy Daly had a fine game in midfield to snuff out Richie Foley's grip on the game and up front Jake Neville, Evan Sheehan and Tommy Ryan all played a pivotal role in our win. Paul O'Brien who was playing with an injury chipped in with 1-2 and what about that wonder goal from James Murray or last minute free from Ryan Grey who is without doubt one of the best young hurlers in the senior championship at the moment.
I went to a few games over the weekend and this was without doubt the most exciting of the lot. Whether I'm biased or not this was a fine example of what our club championship is all about. Teams fighting for their future in the championship and showing a never say die attitude instead of some of the other sterile games where the result looked a foregone conclusion at half time.
The only other game that game close was Roanmore v FMW where Roanmore were great value for their draw and again kept going to the end. They have handled FMW better than any other team I have seen this year and denied them any space. The next game against Tallow will have a big say on the group.

seananigans · 31-08-2016 12:48PM

Ken has a book out, interesting leaving it so long after retirment, but i'm sure a must read fr us, can't be any worse than Dan's book

http://www.the42.ie/ken-mcgrath-waterford-5-2957065-Aug2016/

JeffKenna · 31-08-2016 04:07PM

seananigans wrote: »

Ken has a book out, interesting leaving it so long after retirment, but i'm sure a must read fr us, can't be any worse than Dan's book

http://www.the42.ie/ken-mcgrath-waterford-5-2957065-Aug2016/

I genuinely thought Dan's book was brilliant!

thesultan · 31-08-2016 04:51PM

Dan's was very poor.

seananigans · 31-08-2016 04:55PM

thesultan wrote: »

Dan's was very poor.

Dan's book " I got a goal in that game, it went in the corner of the net "

We know Dan, I was there, what happened in the dressing room, tell us something we don't know.

His book was like reading someones shopping list, not one good insight.

Anyone who hans't should read the ectasy and the agony, that was a good book.

PTH2009 · 31-08-2016 06:35PM

For all his service Tony Browne seems too have stayed away from books/punditry etc. I knw he done an interview for RTE before the Wexford QF.

He would be the only player left from the Waterford golden age team who is retired that could have his own Loachra Gael episode in the future.

Deisegodeo · 31-08-2016 10:38PM

seananigans wrote: »

Dan's book " I got a goal in that game, it went in the corner of the net "

We know Dan, I was there, what happened in the dressing room, tell us something we don't know.

His book was like reading someones shopping list, not one good insight.

Anyone who hans't should read the ectasy and the agony, that was a good book.

The Ecstasy and the Agony by Damien Tiernan was littered with mistakes, really poor ones too. Seemed like it was thrown together to be out in time for Christmas or something.

Didnt he say the 1998 League final was in Walsh Park and described Nicky Cashin as a Kilkenny man, if I remember correctly

Motivator · 31-08-2016 11:07PM

Deisegodeo wrote: »

The Ecstasy and the Agony by Damien Tiernan was littered with mistakes, really poor ones too. Seemed like it was thrown together to be out in time for Christmas or something.

Didnt he say the 1998 League final was in Walsh Park and described Nicky Cashin as a Kilkenny man, if I remember correctly

For the most part I found it very good, gave a great insight into the glory days & what happened with Justin but yes, loads of irritating mistakes. Also loads of direct quotes from a few RTE programs as well - I'd say he literally sat down & typed exactly what was said on the tv.

Cake Man · 31-08-2016 11:52PM

The Ecstacy and The Agony was decent enough, it did have a good few mistakes but I enjoyed it. Another good book was Walking on a Dream which was out a few years ago. Followed the fortunes of the footballers over a season (think it was the 2010 or 2011 season if I recall).

Anyone remember a book around the late 90's/early 2000's which documented the Waterford hurlers over a few seasons? Can't remember the name but it had a white cover with some blue, if that helps. Thought that was a good read, went into good detail. Remember it went through when Gerald McCarthy first came in and introduced the whole new concept of nutrition science to the team. Sean Cullinane wasn't allowed drink milk for months so he couldn't have any tea!

PTH2009 · 31-08-2016 11:55PM

Cake Man wrote: »

The Ecstacy and The Agony was decent enough, it did have a good few mistakes but I enjoyed it. Another good book was Walking on a Dream which was out a few years ago. Followed the fortunes of the footballers over a season (think it was the 2010 or 2011 season if I recall).

Anyone remember a book around the late 90's/early 2000's which documented the Waterford hurlers over a few seasons? Can't remember the name but it had a white cover with some blue, if that helps. Thought that was a good read, went into good detail. Remember it went through when Gerald McCarthy first came in and introduced the whole new concept of nutrition science to the team. Sean Cullinane wasn't allowed drink milk for months so he couldn't have any tea!

Was it in 1993 after senior training the players were treated to snack boxes from the Kentucky in town ???. Won't see that today

Deskjockey · 01-09-2016 12:30AM

That's mad re the snack boxes.

Justin McCarthy's book "Hooked" was a brilliant read.

Cake Man · 01-09-2016 01:37AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Was it in 1993 after senior training the players were treated to snack boxes from the Kentucky in town ???. Won't see that today

Chips and chicken has since been replaced by biscuits and Mi-Wadi

robopaddy2 · 01-09-2016 02:41AM

seananigans wrote: »

Dan's book " I got a goal in that game, it went in the corner of the net "

We know Dan, I was there, what happened in the dressing room, tell us something we don't know.

His book was like reading someones shopping list, not one good insight.

Anyone who hans't should read the ectasy and the agony, that was a good book.

What were you expecting. The diary of a rocket scientist? I think he was pretty open and honest telling about the fallout from Justin etc. More luck to him if he made a few pound out of it, he gave enough to Waterford.

Ken's, I have big hopes for. I think if he hadn't suffered the illness he probably wouldn't had done one, but combine that with the career he had, and the kind of man he is, he's definitely a guy with a story to tell.

That's 2 down, still waiting on Mullane's. What will he call it?

HatchetMan7 · 01-09-2016 02:52AM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

What were you expecting. The diary of a rocket scientist? I think he was pretty open and honest telling about the fallout from Justin etc. More luck to him if he made a few pound out of it, he gave enough to Waterford.

Ken's, I have big hopes for. I think if he hadn't suffered the illness he probably wouldn't had done one, but combine that with the career he had, and the kind of man he is, he's definitely a guy with a story to tell.

That's 2 down, still waiting on Mullane's. What will he call it?

What else is Mullane going to call his autobiography only " I love me county".

robopaddy2 · 01-09-2016 04:46AM

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

What else is Mullane going to call his autobiography only " I love me county".

I put it up on a tee for ya there

danganabu · 01-09-2016 09:52AM

Cake Man wrote: »

Another good book was Walking on a Dream which was out a few years ago. Followed the fortunes of the footballers over a season (think it was the 2010 or 2011 season if I recall).

Short book!.........sorry.

Whiplash85 · 01-09-2016 11:21AM

Lads who do ye hope win on Sunday and secondly who do ye think will win?

JeffKenna · 01-09-2016 12:21PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Lads who do ye hope win on Sunday and secondly who do ye think will win?

ahhhhh Whiplash...the greatest Tipp troll there ever was.

PTH2009 · 01-09-2016 12:53PM

Reports of a few injury concerns in the under 21 squad anyone here anything ???

thesultan · 01-09-2016 12:56PM

Heard nothing?

PTH2009 · 01-09-2016 01:10PM

thesultan wrote: »

Heard nothing?

http://www.wlrfm.com/sport/local/75897-waterford-under-21s-get-ready-for-all-ireland-final.html

Whiplash85 · 01-09-2016 02:07PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

ahhhhh Whiplash...the greatest Tipp troll there ever was.

By your own admission you find the transfer deadline day more interesting than hurling. Off to the soccer threads you toddle.

Dick phelan · 01-09-2016 04:39PM

There's still over a week to go hopefully a few of them will be fit in time.

robopaddy2 · 02-09-2016 01:05AM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Lads who do ye hope win on Sunday and secondly who do ye think will win?

Kilkenny and Kilkenny

robopaddy2 · 02-09-2016 01:05AM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Lads who do ye hope win on Sunday and secondly who do ye think will win?

Kilkenny and Kilkenny

conditioned games · 02-09-2016 01:30PM

Neutral and reasonable people would prefer Tipp winning over Kilkenny any time of the year

PTH2009 · 02-09-2016 01:48PM

I hope Tipp win (for the sake of hurling) but i have a feeling Kilkenny will win and Brian Cody will get MOTM again

Whiplash85 · 02-09-2016 02:50PM

I just hope we can match their intensity levels and workrate and that we dont get stage fright. I reckon we will need to be 5 points up with 5-10 minutes left in order to scrape over the line.

However it would seem to me that Tipp have a lot more steel this year and never say die attitude. They have to say right lads we are finished losing to Kilkenny and always being the bridesmaids. Every Tipp player should be filled with rapture at the thought of facing them on Sunday and setting the record straight.

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