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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #1412
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,691 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    froog wrote: »
    thanks. i traced it back to the nearest exchange and it said "exchange is live". i don't think any of those blue lines are installed yet though.

    Did you try Imagine broadband they offer up to 70Mbs if your in their coverage area.


  • #1413
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    digiman wrote: »
    I noticed OpenEir now have the number of FTTH homes of the exchanges which are part of their 66 towns. E.g. Naas has 2200 homes.

    Does anyone know if it's possible to pull this information from their map with a script of some sort? Rather than hovering over every single exchange :)

    So far it is mainly the larger urban areas so you would not have to hover over every exchange. Pick the largest towns in each county. About 30000 premises passed so far I believe.


  • #1414
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Did you try Imagine broadband they offer up to 70Mbs if your in their coverage area.

    hmm, looks interesting thanks. i just assumed eir were the only ones that could connect me.

    i'll ring them tommorow.


  • #1415
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    froog wrote: »
    hmm, looks interesting thanks. i just assumed eir were the only ones that could connect me.

    i'll ring them tommorow.
    Imagine LTE which is fixed wireless Notting to do with Eir FTTH.If your not on the first rollout then imagine LTE would do you grand for awhile and if you break your contract early it only a €100 which isn't bad.


  • #1416
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    froog wrote: »
    anyone know have they started on those blue FTTH lines yet? is it likely to be in place in the next year?

    not sure we can wait another year even, we might just go with the satellite broadband option, guaranteed 10mb afaik.

    our speed has been <1mb for as long as i can remember with constant disconnects, like most in this thread i imagine!

    Don't even consider satellite, as it's worse than dial-up (IMO), is highly variable, awful latency and they have ridiculous data limits.

    Mobile mid-band would be a better option if you can get a 4G signal from any of the mobile providers.

    I see others have pointed you at Imagine, which would be an excellent solution. If they don't cover you check this map, drop the marker on your house, tick wireless ISPs on the left and see if any fixed wireless operators cover your area. If they do call them and they should be able to tell you if they can hit your house. Some may have data limits too, so watch the small print.


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  • #1417
    terrarev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭terrarev


    I'm in the middle of a new build at the moment that's down a side road around 250m from the nearest blue line which is on the main road. I'm hoping that they'll just run the fibre to the house when it comes time to connect it up, I'm relying on that "subject to change" condition!


  • #1418
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    terrarev wrote: »
    I'm in the middle of a new build at the moment that's down a side road around 250m from the nearest blue line which is on the main road. I'm hoping that they'll just run the fibre to the house when it comes time to connect it up, I'm relying on that "subject to change" condition!
    I would say to you ask open eir but doubt they give you a real answer.


  • #1419
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Anybody see this...
    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/eir-launches-legal-challenge-against-rural-phone-services-duty-1.2772301
    ?

    I'm with the aforementioned digiweb for phone/dsl internet and a huge chunk of my bi-monthly bill is line rental as far as I remember over 50% is line rental.

    How can eir think they have a leg to stand on for this? Just because they split into 2 companies openeir and eir??
    Suing comreg and then hoping to win the NBP. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.


  • #1420
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    They have a point, they're loosing money hand over fist in counties like Roscomnon.


  • #1421
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    ED E wrote: »
    They have a point, they're loosing money hand over fist in counties like Roscomnon.

    I would agree with you if the line rental wasn't such a rip off. But it very much is. Afaik line rental is the same if you live on the Aran Islands as it if you live in Dublin 1? I would argue that they should be allowed to weigh the cost of provision and set the line rental accordingly. Electric Ireland have something like this - rural tariff. Maybe they should look at having something similar instead of refusing to connect a home that at the end of the day was allowed to built by the planning authorities.


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  • #1422
    Pique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭Pique


    if they can charge line rental for 50 houses in a 250m stretch of road, then they should have no complaints about 1 house 500m from a main line. We all had to pay extra back in the day to get phone lines into 'one off' houses (read: 100 year old farmhouses) anyway.

    Advocating for increased charges for rural areas is incredibly elitist and pisses me off. It's like saying "sure you culchie hicks don't need 10% of the speed I'm getting anyway, know your place".


  • #1423
    legocrazy505
    Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭legocrazy505


    Pique wrote: »
    if they can charge line rental for 50 houses in a 250m stretch of road, then they should have no complaints about 1 house 500m from a main line. We all had to pay extra back in the day to get phone lines into 'one off' houses (read: 100 year old farmhouses) anyway.

    Advocating for increased charges for rural areas is incredibly elitist and pisses me off. It's like saying "sure you culchie hicks don't need 10% of the speed I'm getting anyway, know your place".

    I'd stay away from the "is rural broadband a real issue?" then if that annoys you.

    As for the topic, honestly, I'd like to just see them change the USO and update it with the NBP. A copper phone line connection is a bit dated now so they should just scrap it for a fibre connection service when the NBP is in full swing.


  • #1424
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    legocrazy505 wrote: »
    I'd stay away from the "is rural broadband a real issue?" then if that annoys you.

    As for the topic, honestly, I'd like to just see them change the USO and update it with the NBP. A copper phone line connection is a bit dated now so they should just scrap it for a fibre connection service when the NBP is in full swing.

    Yeah it's a mess and needs some real leadership from Government. As Eir is a private company and not some other tax payer funded swallow hole. So they will have to be heard, and in fairness they probably will end up winning.

    It's unfair on those who live in towns and cities to avail of services that cost far less to provide than those in rural areas(myself included in the latter group - I don't mind paying more than urban dwellers for line rental if it wasn't already so expensive. Comreg are the real problem making stupid outdated laws and then getting sued. They have always been a complete waste of tax payers money. What they should be trying to curb is open-eirs extortionate line rental charges but they've been asleep at the wheel.


  • #1425
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    damienirel wrote: »
    Yeah it's a mess and needs some real leadership from Government. As Eir is a private company and not some other tax payer funded swallow hole. So they will have to be heard, and in fairness they probably will end up winning.

    It's unfair on those who live in towns and cities to avail of services that cost far less to provide than those in rural areas(myself included in the latter group - I don't mind paying more than urban dwellers for line rental if it wasn't already so expensive. Comreg are the real problem making stupid outdated laws and then getting sued. They have always been a complete waste of tax payers money. What they should be trying to curb is open-eirs extortionate line rental charges but they've been asleep at the wheel.

    Your line rental isnt line rental, its paying for the entire service. Eg:
    €40/pm
    -€30/pm to OpenEir - Equipment, Field Staff, Emergency Repairs, Insurance, ESB, Telco batteries, core network, NMC/NOC, plant alterations, build and dev
    -€10/pm to Retail Op - Customer Care, IP blocks, Transit

    Its not expensive. We're expensive for Europe/OECD but if you adjust for our dwelling patterns and the onus of the USO then we're really quite OK.


  • #1426
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    ED E wrote: »
    Your line rental isnt line rental, its paying for the entire service. Eg:
    €40/pm
    -€30/pm to OpenEir - Equipment, Field Staff, Emergency Repairs, Insurance, ESB, Telco batteries, core network, NMC/NOC, plant alterations, build and dev
    -€10/pm to Retail Op - Customer Care, IP blocks, Transit

    Its not expensive. We're expensive for Europe/OECD but if you adjust for our dwelling patterns and the onus of the USO then we're really quite OK.

    Ok then if you are taking dwelling patterns into consideration then the uso should remain. That was my point all along. They shouldn't be allowed to cherry pick who they provide to and then expect to collect expensive line rental.


  • #1427
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Responding in a forked thread for clarity, dont want to nuke the FTTH thread.


  • #1428
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    damienirel wrote: »
    Anybody see this...
    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/eir-launches-legal-challenge-against-rural-phone-services-duty-1.2772301
    ?

    I'm with the aforementioned digiweb for phone/dsl internet and a huge chunk of my bi-monthly bill is line rental as far as I remember over 50% is line rental.

    How can eir think they have a leg to stand on for this? Just because they split into 2 companies openeir and eir??
    Suing comreg and then hoping to win the NBP. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

    Comreg will have nothing to do with the decision on who wins the NBP. It's the DCENR and the Govt that will make that call.

    They declined to mention that when eir were re-designated USP, they dropped the maximum cost for a new line install from €7,000 to €1,000, which I would have thought was a significant saving. And now they go legal ... pfft! :confused:


  • #1429
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    MMFITWGDV wrote: »
    Comreg will have nothing to do with the decision on who wins the NBP. It's the DCENR and the Govt that will make that call.

    They declined to mention that when eir were re-designated USP, they dropped the maximum cost for a new line install from €7,000 to €1,000, which I would have thought was a significant saving. And now they go legal ... pfft! :confused:

    so you agree with charging 7k to get a phone line installed?
    :confused:


  • #1430
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    ED E wrote: »
    Responding in a forked thread for clarity, dont want to nuke the FTTH thread.

    Saw that moving over.


  • #1431
    chewed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭chewed


    Looking for some advice folks....my 3 mobile broadband contract is up today and the Eir FTTH map is showing Winter 2016/ Spring 2017 for the rollout in my area.

    Should I just move to Imagine (who claim to have coverage in my area) and cancel my 3 account, and then pay the €100 cancellation fee when (or if) FTTH is rolled out in my area? Currently I'm paying €55 pm for 100GB with an average of 10-12 mbps down. Imagine is €60 pm and a promise of at least 30 down and 20GB limit per day.


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  • #1432
    snowstreams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭snowstreams


    I'm in a similar situation to yourself with meteor & its winter 16/17 for FTTH on my road.
    There is a setup charge with imagine too, of around 100 euro i think.
    And I wonder are people really getting the 30meg minimum download they say.
    I'm going to wait a few more weeks to see what Eir say about FTTH, if nothing concrete comes up about delivery dates, then I will probably go to imagine.
    Maybe hold out one more month?


  • #1433
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    chewed wrote: »
    Looking for some advice folks....my 3 mobile broadband contract is up today and the Eir FTTH map is showing Winter 2016/ Spring 2017 for the rollout in my area.

    Should I just move to Imagine (who claim to have coverage in my area) and cancel my 3 account, and then pay the €100 cancellation fee when (or if) FTTH is rolled out in my area? Currently I'm paying €55 pm for 100GB with an average of 10-12 mbps down. Imagine is €60 pm and a promise of at least 30 down and 20GB limit per day.

    Buy a €20/mo AYCE sim card, unlimited data, pop that in your modem, cancel the contract SIM which is worse value. Whenever Eir roll around you can just stop topping up.


  • #1434
    snowstreams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭snowstreams


    ED E wrote: »
    Buy a €20/mo AYCE sim card, unlimited data, pop that in your modem....

    I tried that once for a while. It seemed to work but I did get throttled down to less than 1 meg after a while (after ~15gigs download). so then I went to one of the mobile broadband plans.

    That was 3 years ago so maybe it will work now.
    I'd be interested to hear if it works.


  • #1435
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    snowstreams wrote: »
    I'm in a similar situation to yourself with meteor & its winter 16/17 for FTTH on my road.
    There is a setup charge with imagine too, of around 100 euro i think.
    And I wonder are people really getting the 30meg minimum download they say.
    I'm going to wait a few more weeks to see what Eir say about FTTH, if nothing concrete comes up about delivery dates, then I will probably go to imagine.
    Maybe hold out one more month?

    the first 100,000 premises are supposed to be completed by March 2017. At this stage I am really starting to question can they deliver by this date. I've no idea how long it will take to wire up and activate an exchange area of blue lines and with no wiring started yet, I would say it will be a few months before the first areas go live IF they start wiring up over the next 2 weeks. I thought they may have started this week but i've seen no signs of them anywhere.

    If Imagine is available at your address best bet is to go with them for a few months and cancel once FTTH goes live if you don't mind paying the 100 euros cancellation fee.


  • #1436
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Gonzo wrote: »
    the first 100,000 premises are supposed to be completed by March 2017. At this stage I am really starting to question can they deliver by this date. I've no idea how long it will take to wire up and activate an exchange area of blue lines and with no wiring started yet, I would say it will be a few months before the first areas go live IF they start wiring up over the next 2 weeks. I thought they may have started this week but i've seen no signs of them anywhere.

    If Imagine is available at your address best bet is to go with them for a few months and cancel once FTTH goes live if you don't mind paying the 100 euros cancellation fee.


    Hi Gonzo - I think I would have been skeptical about the dates too but I think they won't be too long rolling this out - I'd assume they are busy getting the exchanges ready at the moment. Running the new fibre lines will be a very quick job - what will take time I'd imagine is actually getting it setup in the home. A new line went up a year or 2 ago in a field near me to service a new house - what I'm wondering is have they already ran a fibre line on it? Maybe somebody here could answer that?


  • #1437
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    snowstreams wrote: »
    I'm in a similar situation to yourself with meteor & its winter 16/17 for FTTH on my road.
    There is a setup charge with imagine too, of around 100 euro i think.
    And I wonder are people really getting the 30meg minimum download they say.
    I'm going to wait a few more weeks to see what Eir say about FTTH, if nothing concrete comes up about delivery dates, then I will probably go to imagine.
    Maybe hold out one more month?

    There's a thread about Imagine's service here. At first it seemed all was brilliant, but there are more recent poor performance reports coming in.


  • #1438
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    MMFITWGDV wrote: »
    There's a thread about Imagine's service here. At first it seemed all was brilliant, but there are more recent poor performance reports coming in.

    The quality of service with Imagine's LTE product oddly enough seemed to take a timely nosedive to coincide with Imagine being dropped from the initial set of bidders for the NBP. Within 4 days of Imagine no longer in the running for the NBP, the posts started appearing showing irregular speeds and then the sudden change to the night time download policy.


  • #1439
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    damienirel wrote: »
    Running the new fibre lines will be a very quick job - what will take time I'd imagine is actually getting it setup in the home. A new line went up a year or 2 ago in a field near me to service a new house - what I'm wondering is have they already ran a fibre line on it? Maybe somebody here could answer that?

    Eir claim they can run up to 600km of fiber per month, that would be 20km per day if they were working 7 days per week!

    Once they start wiring I would imagine they will focus on several exchanges at once. So maybe, 2-4km per day per exchange.

    I really hope once they do start wiring, that an exchange area will be wired to completion rather than doing a bit then going away for few weeks to somewhere else and back again.


  • #1440
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    Gonzo wrote: »
    Eir claim they can run up to 600km of fiber per month, that would be 20km per day if they were working 7 days per week!

    Once they start wiring I would imagine they will focus on several exchanges at once. So maybe, 2-4km per day per exchange.

    I really hope once they do start wiring, that an exchange area will be wired to completion rather than doing a bit then going away for few weeks to somewhere else and back again.
    What they should do is hit one exchange at a time...it would be done in a day if its just running the fibre on the poles..but the hedges can now be cut to size, so any reports of crews cutting the hedges bar the farmers?..
    as for yours gonzo all the prep work is complete so maybe its around the corner for you.


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  • #1441
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Gonzo wrote: »
    Eir claim they can run up to 600km of fiber per month, that would be 20km per day if they were working 7 days per week!

    Once they start wiring I would imagine they will focus on several exchanges at once. So maybe, 2-4km per day per exchange.

    I really hope once they do start wiring, that an exchange area will be wired to completion rather than doing a bit then going away for few weeks to somewhere else and back again.

    They are hardly going to be working seven days a week though. That overtime adds up.


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